An Ode to failure

Dari

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This article is three years old but I think it's fitting for Sen. McCain. This guy has been left for dead (literally and figuratively) many times and yet he's bounced back to higher levels. I may not agree with everything he says, but his principals are firmly based on reality and I can live with that. Here's hoping he wins it all.

http://www.economist.com/world...fm?story_id=E1_PGJDJSS

An ode to failure

Here's to the great American loser


THERE will be plenty of cuddlier films at this weekend's Oscars than Clint Eastwood's ?Million Dollar Baby?. The film tells the story of a young woman, played by Hilary Swank, who escapes from a life of drudgery by spending her every spare hour in a boxing gym. For a while, it looks as if she is talented enough to escape. Then the fates deal her a terrible blow: she loses her championship fight, is horribly injured and persuades her trainer, played by Mr Eastwood, to kill her.

Dirty Harry's former friends on the right have reacted with horror to the film's unAmerican enthusiasm for euthanasia. In fact, the film is most remarkable as an extremely American parable on success and failure. When Ms Swank gets injured, her trainer is eaten up with guilt. But she tells him not to be so hard on himself: she is far happier to have tasted a little success and ended up a cripple than to have remained a nobody.

Americans have always been excessive worshippers of what William James called ?the bitch goddess success?. Self-help gurus have topped the bestseller list since Benjamin Franklin published his autobiography. Americans are much more likely than Europeans to believe that people can get ahead in life so long as they are willing to work hard. And they are much more likely to choose a high-paying job that carries a risk of redundancy than a lower-paid job that guarantees security.

But you can't have winners without losers (or how would you know how well you are doing?). And you can't broaden opportunity without also broadening the opportunity to fail. For instance, until relatively recently, blacks could not blame themselves for their failure in the ?race of life?, in Abraham Lincoln's phrase, because they were debarred from so many parts of it. Now the barriers are lifted, the picture is more complicated.

All of which creates a huge problem: how exactly should a hyper-competitive society deal with its losers? It is all very well to note that drunkards and slackers get what they deserve. But what about the honest toilers? One way to deal with the problem is to offer people as many second chances as possible. In his intriguing new book ?Born Losers: A History of Failure in America? (Harvard), Scott Sandage argues that the mid-19th century saw a redefinition of failure?from something that described a lousy business to something that defined a whole life.

Yet one of the striking things about America is how valiantly it has resisted the idea that there is any such thing as a born loser. American schools resist streaming their pupils much longer than their European counterparts: the whole point is to fit in rather than to stand out. American higher education has numerous points of entry and re-entry. And the American legal system has some of the most generous bankruptcy rules in the world. In Europe, a bankrupt is often still a ruined man; in America, he is a risk-taking entrepreneur.

American history?not to mention American folklore?is replete with examples of people who tried and tried again until they made a success of their lives. Lincoln was a bankrupt store-keeper. Henry Ford was a serial failure. At 40, Thomas Watson, the architect of IBM, faced prison. America's past is also full of people who came back from the brink. Steve Jobs has gone from has-been to icon. Martha Stewart has a lucrative television contract waiting for her when she comes out of prison.

A second way to deal with losers is to celebrate them?or at least sing about them. Perhaps in reaction to the relentless boosterism of business life, American popular culture often sympathises with the losers. In Arthur Miller's ?Death of a Salesman? Willy Loman chooses to commit suicide rather than spend the rest of his life ?ringing up a zero?. John Updike's ?Rabbit? Angstrom is a lecherous car salesman whose best days were on a school basketball court. Scott Adams's Dilbert is a diminutive Everyman trapped in a cubicle. Where would country music be without broken hearts and broken-down trucks?

The loser now will be later to win
But even in the loser-loving bits of popular culture, the American obsession with success has a habit of winning through. More often than not, born losers turn out to be winners in disguise. In one version of this idea, the loser turns out to be a winner by virtue of his very ordinariness. The hero of Frank Capra's ?It's a Wonderful Life? is a small-town plodder who hovers on the edge of ruin; but in the end the film concludes triumphantly, ?No man is a failure who has friends.?

In another version?the one that burst on the scene with James Dean and was rapidly institutionalised by the counter-culture?the loser turns out to be a winner because he is a rebel against society's repressive norms. He is freer than the average American because he isn't encumbered with property (he has nothing to lose); or he is more genuine because he lives according to his own lights, rather than artificial conventions. Bob Dylan was a master of counter-cultural inversion. ?The loser now/Will be later to win?, he rasped at one point. ?She knows there's no success like failure/And that failure's no success at all?, he moaned at another.

H.L. Mencken had a grumpy verdict on this attitude to success and failure: for him, the typical American was ?vexed, at one and the same time, by delusions of grandeur and an inferiority complex?. Delusions of grandeur are certainly common: ?American Idol? presents a limitless supply of talentless narcissists, each convinced he is the next Frank Sinatra. Inferiority complexes are common too: America is also full of perfectly successful people who are obsessed by their failure to live up to their self-help manuals. But Mencken still seems too cynical. The worship of success inspires not just extraordinary achievements but also worthwhile failures. That is the unsettling but very American message of ?Million Dollar Baby?.
 
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Originally posted by: Dari
Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield
Here's hoping anyone but McCain wins it all, more of the same is nothing new.

Are you American?

No, son, but i've been in Iraq, have you? I'll probably go again, will you? I've been in an Afghanistan where we managed with a LOT less troops and have turned it into a place that Pakistanis are now fleeing into instead of the other way around, have you? If we had the full force from the start we could have SECURED the border to Afghanistan and Al Qaida would be no more. McCain STILL supports that GW adm. course of action. You'll have to be VERY daft to still support it, no one i know of supports it, i doubt even the most hardcore fans still think it was a bright idea.

If US politics consisted of crapping in your own back yard then i would have no say in the matter, but you're crapping shitloads in mine and so i do get to have an opinion.
 

Dari

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Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield
Originally posted by: Dari
Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield
Here's hoping anyone but McCain wins it all, more of the same is nothing new.

Are you American?

No, son, but i've been in Iraq, have you? I'll probably go again, will you? I've been in an Afghanistan where we managed with a LOT less troops and have turned it into a place that Pakistanis are now fleeing into instead of the other way around, have you? If we had the full force from the start we could have SECURED the border to Afghanistan and Al Qaida would be no more. McCain STILL supports that GW adm. course of action. You'll have to be VERY daft to still support it, no one i know of supports it, i doubt even the most hardcore fans still think it was a bright idea.

If US politics consisted of crapping in your own back yard then i would have no say in the matter, but you're crapping shitloads in mine and so i do get to have an opinion.

I suggest you read into McCain. He's definitely not "more of the same". Do your homework before spouting of on things (or people) you know little about.
 
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Originally posted by: Dari
Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield
Originally posted by: Dari
Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield
Here's hoping anyone but McCain wins it all, more of the same is nothing new.

Are you American?

No, son, but i've been in Iraq, have you? I'll probably go again, will you? I've been in an Afghanistan where we managed with a LOT less troops and have turned it into a place that Pakistanis are now fleeing into instead of the other way around, have you? If we had the full force from the start we could have SECURED the border to Afghanistan and Al Qaida would be no more. McCain STILL supports that GW adm. course of action. You'll have to be VERY daft to still support it, no one i know of supports it, i doubt even the most hardcore fans still think it was a bright idea.

If US politics consisted of crapping in your own back yard then i would have no say in the matter, but you're crapping shitloads in mine and so i do get to have an opinion.

I suggest you read into McCain. He's definitely not "more of the same". Do your homework before spouting of on things (or people) you know little about.

Ah, i love that tactic, you couldn't win the former argument so now you try a new one, i probably know more about McCain than you ever will.

He STILL supports the original invasion of Iraq, that alone makes me think that is a man who is completely insane.

He also strongly agrees with actions against Iran, a non-threat, it's Pakistan that needs to be dealt with now, everyone around the world agrees on that except Bush adm and McCain, they are still looking at Iran.

It's like GW has him on a leash, will that continue after GW is gone too?

I'm a military man, i don't give a fuck about anything but that when it comes to the US, so you'll have to excuse me if the "more of the same" only refers to spending money abroad like a crazy gambler on meth and invading and attacking countries that poses no threat while ignoring the ones that do.
 

Dari

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Oct 25, 2002
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Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield
Originally posted by: Dari
Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield
Originally posted by: Dari
Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield
Here's hoping anyone but McCain wins it all, more of the same is nothing new.

Are you American?

No, son, but i've been in Iraq, have you? I'll probably go again, will you? I've been in an Afghanistan where we managed with a LOT less troops and have turned it into a place that Pakistanis are now fleeing into instead of the other way around, have you? If we had the full force from the start we could have SECURED the border to Afghanistan and Al Qaida would be no more. McCain STILL supports that GW adm. course of action. You'll have to be VERY daft to still support it, no one i know of supports it, i doubt even the most hardcore fans still think it was a bright idea.

If US politics consisted of crapping in your own back yard then i would have no say in the matter, but you're crapping shitloads in mine and so i do get to have an opinion.

I suggest you read into McCain. He's definitely not "more of the same". Do your homework before spouting of on things (or people) you know little about.

Ah, i love that tactic, you couldn't win the former argument so now you try a new one, i probably know more about McCain than you ever will.

He STILL supports the original invasion of Iraq, that alone makes me think that is a man who is completely insane.

He also strongly agrees with actions against Iran, a non-threat, it's Pakistan that needs to be dealt with now, everyone around the world agrees on that except Bush adm and McCain, they are still looking at Iran.

It's like GW has him on a leash, will that continue after GW is gone too?

I'm a military man, i don't give a fuck about anything but that when it comes to the US, so you'll have to excuse me if the "more of the same" only refers to spending money abroad like a crazy gambler on meth and invading and attacking countries that poses no threat while ignoring the ones that do.

Your first complaint was about McCain being "more of the same". When I asked you if you really knew the man then you admitted to being just a "military man". Whatever, but it seems like you're the one that's retreating. Funny how you focus only on Iraq, thinking that's his weakest point. You must be from Europe. Conservatives here have bigger gripes than that. Besides, Iraq really isn't an issue since most of the candidates are coming to terms with a long-term settlement in Iraq.
 
Jun 26, 2007
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Originally posted by: Dari
Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield
Originally posted by: Dari
Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield
Originally posted by: Dari
Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield
Here's hoping anyone but McCain wins it all, more of the same is nothing new.

Are you American?

No, son, but i've been in Iraq, have you? I'll probably go again, will you? I've been in an Afghanistan where we managed with a LOT less troops and have turned it into a place that Pakistanis are now fleeing into instead of the other way around, have you? If we had the full force from the start we could have SECURED the border to Afghanistan and Al Qaida would be no more. McCain STILL supports that GW adm. course of action. You'll have to be VERY daft to still support it, no one i know of supports it, i doubt even the most hardcore fans still think it was a bright idea.

If US politics consisted of crapping in your own back yard then i would have no say in the matter, but you're crapping shitloads in mine and so i do get to have an opinion.

I suggest you read into McCain. He's definitely not "more of the same". Do your homework before spouting of on things (or people) you know little about.

Ah, i love that tactic, you couldn't win the former argument so now you try a new one, i probably know more about McCain than you ever will.

He STILL supports the original invasion of Iraq, that alone makes me think that is a man who is completely insane.

He also strongly agrees with actions against Iran, a non-threat, it's Pakistan that needs to be dealt with now, everyone around the world agrees on that except Bush adm and McCain, they are still looking at Iran.

It's like GW has him on a leash, will that continue after GW is gone too?

I'm a military man, i don't give a fuck about anything but that when it comes to the US, so you'll have to excuse me if the "more of the same" only refers to spending money abroad like a crazy gambler on meth and invading and attacking countries that poses no threat while ignoring the ones that do.

Your first complaint was about McCain being "more of the same". When I asked you if you really knew the man then you admitted to being just a "military man". Whatever, but it seems like you're the one that's retreating. Funny how you focus only on Iraq, thinking that's his weakest point. You must be from Europe. Conservatives here have bigger gripes than that. Besides, Iraq really isn't an issue since most of the candidates are coming to terms with a long-term settlement in Iraq.

My stance stands on it's own, all of the mistakes of the current administration, from the removal of troops from Afghanistan to the invasion of Iraq are things that he still supports and defends.

For me, that means that foreign politics will be the same and if you don't get it, spending abroad means less money at home, if you are going into something, at least do it with your heart and mind into it, Iraq could have been done by now if not for ignoring military advice, and McCain still supports that action as it were with NO complaints on how it was done.

You are asking me to support someone who supported taking me and troops from a place where we found a 12 year old girl with gunsmoke pouring out between her legs and 4-10 hours of agony as the rest of her lifetime and shoving us into an Iraq that posed NO threat to ANYONE.

is it strange that i focus on the one thing that the US has had to do with my life?

I can't vote but if it's McCain you can trust me on one thing, i'll leave as soon as i can because he IS more of the same for me and while you are not bright enough to get it, he is more of the same for you too.

I'll take Obama because if both Palehorse and Harvey can like the guy and they are opposites in pretty much any situation and i respect the hell out of both of them then they are probably right.

I'd still vote for Hillary if i could though, just to piss off Pabster. :D
 

SoundTheSurrender

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McCain will drive our debt, dollar, and economy to nothing. More people will die and nothing will be accomplished.

 

Moonbeam

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The day of McCain has passed, in my opinion unless, maybe, if he runs against Hillary.
 

cwjerome

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Ode to Failure: Lincoln

Lost job in 1832.
Defeated for state legislature in 1832.
Failed in business in 1833.
Elected to state legislature in 1834.
Sweetheart died in 1835.
Had nervous breakdown in 1836.
Defeated for Speaker in 1838.
Defeated for nomination for Congress in 1843.
Elected to Congress in 1846.
Lost renomination in 1848.
Rejected for land officer in 1849.
Defeated for U.S. Senate in 1854.
Defeated for nomination for Vice President in 1856.
Again defeated for U.S. Senate in 1858.
Elected President in 1860.