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an OC 3000+ really as good as a 3500+

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smithdj

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I have a question, is an OC 3000+ to 2.2 ghz really as fast (processing, games, etc.) as a "stock" 3500+ @ 2.2ghz? The reason I ask is it seems in terms of modding things to be as fast or faster than factory counterparts never seems to work. One example comes to mind is car engines. You can add performance parts to a smaller engine and make it produce as much horsepower as the bigger ones, but in the long run it never really seems to be as good, especially in terms of reliability, consistency, and even performance. Maybe my example does not apply here, but what do you think?
 
Faster. The fsb is higher. But it also depends on if you are using a divider. I have my 3000+ at 258x9 1:1. Not a great OC at 2322, but it is 1:1. I would rape a stock 3500+ and probably equal a 3700+ 754 at stock (just a guess)
 
I am asking because I am torn between the two, it seems that the 3000+ is the better deal, granted you can make it as fast and reliable.
 
A 3000+ overclocked to 2.2ghz will outperform a 3500+ at 2.2ghz stock because ram and HTT(chipset) are running at a higher rate.

The beauty of the 3000+ is that many of them will clock to 2.5-2.7, and with the pricepoint @ less than $150 IMO push it as far as you can. At FX55+ speeds even if your chip burns out in 18months(it won't) you still come out ahead value wize. And I'm pretty sure the replacement options in 18mos would be awsome.
 
OCd 3000+ man, all the way. You'll kick your own ass later for wasting money on a 3500+ if you do go that route.
 
Originally posted by: smithdj
I have a question, is an OC 3000+ to 2.2 ghz really as fast (processing, games, etc.) as a "stock" 3500+ @ 2.2gh?
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Not only is as as good as a stock 3500+, the real gotcha here is it performs just as good as an Overclocked 3500+ most of the time. The 3000+ (1.8Ghz), 3200+ (2.0Ghz), and 3500+ (2.2Ghz) all top out at the same max speed, around 2.7Ghz. If you serach the forums you will see the max overclocks for all 3 models of the Winchester core are about 2.7Ghz. So in my opinion there is no reason not to buy the cheapest of the 3, the 3000+ at about $150 (unless you have money to burn, in that case wire it to me 🙂 ). At 2.5Ghz it performs as good as a stock 4000+/FX53 for about 1/5th the price, and at 2.7Ghz it performs as good as a stock FX55 for about 1/6th the price.

 
Originally posted by: smithdj
I have a question, is an OC 3000+ to 2.2 ghz really as fast (processing, games, etc.) as a "stock" 3500+ @ 2.2ghz? The reason I ask is it seems in terms of modding things to be as fast or faster than factory counterparts never seems to work. One example comes to mind is car engines. You can add performance parts to a smaller engine and make it produce as much horsepower as the bigger ones, but in the long run it never really seems to be as good, especially in terms of reliability, consistency, and even performance. Maybe my example does not apply here, but what do you think?
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your car example is a bad one since it's same chip

Try this one. They sell two mustangs both with 4.6 ltr V8's

One has a restrictive 2" air intake and yeilds 200HP
One has a 4" intake and yeilds 300HP

All you got to do is open air flow on first motor for identical performance..

Same with 3000 just open it up by cranking FSB...but now you're opening it up to 4.2 inches for even more HP.
 
All of that is assuming they chips will do what you say. I have now bought TWO winchesters on TWO different botherboards with GREAT memory (OCZ PC4000 gold rev2 on th last) and have yet to get better than a 2322 mhz OC., so YES, it does make a difference.
 
Originally posted by: Markfw900
All of that is assuming they chips will do what you say. I have now bought TWO winchesters on TWO different botherboards with GREAT memory (OCZ PC4000 gold rev2 on th last) and have yet to get better than a 2322 mhz OC., so YES, it does make a difference.
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Did you lower the LDT multiplier to 3x, and use a Ram divider as you increased your LDT above 250Mhz. Don't be afraid to try mem divider on A64 Oc's, they don't effect performance that much, only 2-10% depending on the app. See Zebo's sticky:

http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview...atid=28&threadid=1475190&enterthread=y


 
Originally posted by: richardrds
Originally posted by: Markfw900
All of that is assuming they chips will do what you say. I have now bought TWO winchesters on TWO different botherboards with GREAT memory (OCZ PC4000 gold rev2 on th last) and have yet to get better than a 2322 mhz OC., so YES, it does make a difference.
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Did you lower the LDT multiplier to 3x, and use a Ram divider as you increased your LDT above 250Mhz. You are very unlucky to have gotton 2 winchesters in a row that could not break 2.4Ghz.
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Yes, I can do 290x8(divider) or 258x9 (1:1) (PC4000 OCZ gold rev 2) and HTT is at 3 and voltage is 1.55 cpu and 2.7 ram (1.6 and 2.8 do no good for higher OC)

And I have asked for advise from Duvie and Zebo, the two OC guru's. Duvie first OC'ed his 3000+ winchester at my house on the same PSU I am using currently.
 
Originally posted by: Markfw900
All of that is assuming they chips will do what you say. I have now bought TWO winchesters on TWO different botherboards with GREAT memory (OCZ PC4000 gold rev2 on th last) and have yet to get better than a 2322 mhz OC., so YES, it does make a difference.
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Bottom line is you still got to and past 3500 speeds... I don't think I've ever seen a 3000 not.....Maybe if you bought a 3500 you'd still be @ 2322??
 
I would caution the OP not to necessarily expect a 3000+ to meet or exceed the clock speed of a 3500+. Trust me, it's all luck of the draw with CPUs and you may end up getting one that can't o/c to save your life (I know I did). But yes, a lot of people get 3000+'s to meet the speed of a 3500+, but don't expect this to necessarily be the case!
 
Originally posted by: Zebo
Originally posted by: Markfw900
All of that is assuming they chips will do what you say. I have now bought TWO winchesters on TWO different botherboards with GREAT memory (OCZ PC4000 gold rev2 on th last) and have yet to get better than a 2322 mhz OC., so YES, it does make a difference.
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Bottom line is you still got to and past 3500 speeds... I don't think I've ever seen a 3000 not.....Maybe if you bought a 3500 you'd still be @ 2322??
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This is true. However, I don't want the vast majority of people to believe as I did, that almost ALL 3000+ winchesters will do 2.5ghz or better.... BECAUSE THEY WON'T!! A 3200+ at 2.2 (on an Abit AV8) and a 3000+ on an MSI Neo2 platinum at 2322mhz.....

 
Did you uprade the BIOS? Cause my chip clocks at almost 2.7GHz at a stable yet error laden prime 95 failing clock. I ended up at 2.574 rock solid stable with the winchester 3000+ but not undil I updated my bios on my A8N-SLI Deluxe.
 
Other things come into play though. The 3500+ will give you more flexibility since it has a higher multiplier. If your motherboard can only handle a 240 MHz bus before it's the cause of instability, with a 3000+ you're stuck at 2160 MHz. On the other hand, a 3500+ would let you go to 2640 with a 240 MHz bus.
 
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