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An interview with a future Briton terrorist

yllus

Elite Member & Lifer
Angry and ripe for the picking
LEEDS, England?Fazel, a 19-year-old British-born Muslim who is angry about his "immoral" surroundings, seems ripe for the picking by the recruiters of Islamic extremism. "I would go if they approached me," he says.

"I want to get away from here. I don't have a job. I want to learn everything about Islam," said Fazel, who refused to give his last name during an interview Saturday at a mosque here. His remarks suggested he hoped to find his way to a Muslim country where he could further study the religion and develop his beliefs.

Like three of the four named suspects in the July 7 suicide bombings in London, Fazel was born in Leeds. His parents were from the Pakistan-controlled portion of disputed Kashmir. Three of the four bombers also had Pakistani parents. The fourth alleged attacker was born in Jamaica but converted to Islam while growing up in Luton, north of London.

Islamic radicals inside the British Muslim community who are searching for men to become suicide attackers or foot soldiers in the global jihad are thought to recruit disaffected young men like Fazel, sending them for religious or military training in Islamic countries.

For example, Shahzad Tanweer, a 22-year-old member of the alleged bombing team, reportedly visited two religious schools on a trip to Pakistan.

Fazel's comments came as British officials rejected criticism that lax policies toward Muslim political refugees helped facilitate terror recruiters.

"In terms of asylum, our policy is: If you are in fear of persecution, you are entitled to come here," Charles Falconer, Secretary for Constitutional Affairs, said yesterday on BBC television. "Obviously, if you then seek to attack the very state that you come to, that gives rise to different questions."

Despite Fazel's growing contempt for Western mores, he said he disagreed with the London bombings of four Underground trains and a bus because "Islamic scholars said it was wrong." The attackers "should have talked to more educated people."

He denounced, however, Prime Minister Tony Blair's characterization that the bombers were inspired by an "evil ideology."

"The evil programs on TV, the music, the literature, the magazines ... are all responsible for the terrorist attacks. People are becoming rebellious because they are against fornication, gambling, alcohol."

"Until they get rid of Eminem and Marilyn Manson, they can't get rid of our preachers," he said.


Fazel called himself a former kafar (infidel), who once enjoyed drinking with his friends and the company of young women.

Then, in the aftermath of the Sept. 11, 2001 attacks on New York and Washington, he read about Al Qaeda and its leader, Osama bin Laden.

Images of the twin towers of the World Trade Center collapsing, he said, fuelled his curiosity about the faith of his ancestors.

"Allah pointed me to him (bin Laden)," said Fazel, dressed in a white shalwar kameez, the traditional loose tunic-and-trouser common to men in South Asia.

The young man denied he was confused about his faith and asserted just as vehemently that he did not "give a damn about the world."

Zahir Birawi, an official at the mosque where Fazel was interviewed, later said he had seen the young man a few times at prayers and assured a reporter Fazel's views were not normal.

He said officials at the mosque would tell police about Fazel if his views did not moderate.
Isn't post-pubescent angst cute? In any case, here for your reading pleasure is an example of one young man's reason to declare war on the country that took him in. Somehow I'm not quite seeing, "Dude, I'm pissed about Iraq!" in there.
 
Originally posted by: yllus
Somehow I'm not quite seeing, "Dude, I'm pissed about Iraq!" in there.

if they had asked him chances are he is unhappy about that also. what is your point? i could fairly readily find some fundamentalist of x-tianity that would sound pretty much just as bad.
 
We should offer these sort of kids a one-way ticket to Iran. Or Saudi. Or anyplace where they can be sheltered from the "evils" of Western Culture.
 
It's not a point I'm making, it's a counterpoint.

We've seen threads stating that terrorists don't hate "our way of life." From the mouth of one angry young man who in many respects seems to be similar to those who just perpetrated the bombings in the UK, we're hearing that the first reason for war is 'fornication, gambling, alcohol'.
 
Originally posted by: yllus
It's not a point I'm making, it's a counterpoint.

We've seen threads stating that terrorists don't hate "our way of life." From the mouth of one angry young man who in many respects seems to be similar to those who just perpetrated the bombings in the UK, we're hearing that the first reason for war is 'fornication, gambling, alcohol'.

They do hate our way of life, and yet that's not why they're attacking us. This kid is a perfect example -- he vocally despises Western Culture and yet he still maintains that the suicide bombers were wrong.

Despite Fazel's growing contempt for Western mores, he said he disagreed with the London bombings of four Underground trains and a bus because "Islamic scholars said it was wrong." The attackers "should have talked to more educated people."

So clearly, we can see in this case at least, that hating our "way of life" doesn't necessarily lead to terrorist attacks.
 
Originally posted by: yllus
It's not a point I'm making, it's a counterpoint.

We've seen threads stating that terrorists don't hate "our way of life." From the mouth of one angry young man who in many respects seems to be similar to those who just perpetrated the bombings in the UK, we're hearing that the first reason for war is 'fornication, gambling, alcohol'.

Terrorists are being brainwashed to hate our way of life - but this is hardly the motivation from the top. Religion is just a tool. By default Muslims don't hate everyone else.
 
Personally, I read that as a CYA measure - especially considering the first paragraph in the article stated he would go if the terrorists asked him to. Explicitly advocating violence when he was known to people in the mosque was probably not a move he was about to make.
Originally posted by: Tommunist
Terrorists are being brainwashed to hate our way of life - but this is hardly the motivation from the top. Religion is just a tool. By default Muslims don't hate everyone else.
This isn't an Islamic issue, I think that much is abundantly clear.
 
Anything goes in the West because anything goes makes money.

A nation that looses all moral footing for the sake of money will die.

It will be taken down by its own internal monsters, crime and violence, that an inhumane way of life breeds.

The the typical examples of Islam we see in the Middle East may be a too the other way, but their is in it still some sense of morality and valid critique of our lack of ethical behavior expressed therein.
 
More proof that I am correct. Iraq is not the draw for these people - the success of 9/11 was.

Now, if Fazel (or whatever his f*cking name is) had any common sense, he could be civilized and simply choose to ignore the meida around him that he does not like. After all, why live in a free nation if you do not seek freedom. He can turn off his TV. Hos radio. But he chooses not to, he chooses to be the a**hole that wants to tell everyone exactly what they can and can't do.

If I was the reporter in the piece, I would have shot Fazel in the head shortly after finishing. He does not deserve the freedoms he has in England. There are many other people in the world today that do.


I really hope he does make it over to the ME at some point. I also hop he makes it to Iraq. Then I hope that a .50 cal sniper bullet finds him.
 
Originally posted by: irwincur
If I was the reporter in the piece, I would have shot Fazel in the head shortly after finishing. He does not deserve the freedoms he has in England. There are many other people in the world today that do.
I think that pretty much says everything we need to know about you. :roll:
 
Please raise your hand if you would like a pissed off unemployed 19 yr old represent your religion, nation or what ever group you belong to.

 
Originally posted by: judasmachine
some of that bolded part could have come from a southern baptist preacher.

Yup, but if they want to get rid Eminem I can deal with it but don't mess with Manson!
 
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