An idea on the topic of arming teachers and such

[Chops McGandhi]

I was thinking since a lot of people are not comfortable with the idea of arming teachers with guns and since that is not unreasonable, what if we armed them with something non-lethal but is nevertheless capable of disabling an armed man?

Thoughts? Has this idea been discussed already?

 

[Veliko]

Instead of trying to weaponise every aspect of your society, I think perhaps you Americans should try and see just how bat shit it is becoming.

 

[RabidMongoose]

How about we arm teachers with samurai swords?

 

[Chops McGandhi]

Instead of trying to weaponise every aspect of your society, I think perhaps you Americans should try and see just how bat shit it is becoming.

ok...and? Mind elaborating on that?

 

[sigurros81]

ok...and? Mind elaborating on that?

Why don't we start arming the pimpled-face kid that sells me pop corn at movie theaters, as well as clergymen in churches. While we're at it, let's put armed guards in every street corners just in case. Let's not forget Chuck E Cheese, we should arm that rat as well since kids go there a lot.
Fucking idiot...

 

[TallBill]

Nonlethal weapons are a terrible choice. As an ex cop and former of instructor, and baton instructor, as well as having taser and less lethal round training I've posted the plethora of reasons why before.

One of many... would you expect someone to take down a shooter with a contact taser? Retarded

 

[TallBill]

Why don't we start arming the pimpled-face kid that sells me pop corn at movie theaters, as well as clergymen in churches. While we're at it, let's put armed guards in every street corners just in case. Let's not forget Chuck E Cheese, we should arm that rat as well since kids go there a lot.
Fucking idiot...

Actually there are rules in place for that already. And when people conceal carry, criminals are much more likely to be stopped.

 

[sigurros81]

Oh, let's arm our firefighters now as well.

 

[piasabird]

If you dont want to arm teachers what do you suggest we do to protect the children? It is often the Mentally ill doing the killing, so why dont we start focusing on that?

 

[Pr0d1gy]

Instead of trying to weaponise every aspect of your society, I think perhaps you Americans should try and see just how bat shit it is becoming.

And I think you non-Americans have no say in this discussion.

 

[BladeVenom]

Almost all the anti-gun liberal politicians in Washington DC send their kids to a school with armed guards.

Obama's own children are protect by 6 secret service agents who are authorized to carry machine guns into schools.

 

[DrPizza]

If you dont want to arm teachers what do you suggest we do to protect the children? It is often the Mentally ill doing the killing, so why dont we start focusing on that?

"Arm" teachers sounds like an active verb. If so, it's a ridiculously stupid idea. I'm a teacher. I know a great number of teachers from a large number of school districts. First, many of those teachers wouldn't want to be armed - they'd want nothing to do with guns. Second, those who would accept the guns, you'd be spending a fortune for annual training - or do you think that just handing someone a weapon who has never fired a gun in their lives is a smart idea? And, if, say this year you take them to a gun range for an hour, and they never fire it again for years, do you really expect them to be effective 10 years down the road? How about maintenance of the firearm?

If anything, simply "allow" (not "arm") teachers to concealed carry - if they go through the normal steps to get their license. I think this is a better solution than the federal firearms policy that forbids any gun from school property by anyone - a *completely* useless rule.

 

[sm625]

If you dont want to arm teachers what do you suggest we do to protect the children?

Put a bigger, brighter, frickin neon sign that says This is a gun free zone, this means U, U crazy psychopath bent on a trip to hell! I seriously will tickle your corpse if you dare come in here and shoot up this innocent unarmed place of indoctrination. Isnt it obvious what these disgusting mentally deficient nanny state loving filth pots would do to these kids if they had the chance? They want to turn every frickin gun into a big pharma mind-fuck pill and force it down the throat of every child so that every single one of them grows up to be as mind-fuckingly stupid and braindead as they are.

 

[*kjm]

If anything, simply "allow" (not "arm") teachers to concealed carry - if they go through the normal steps to get their license. I think this is a better solution than the federal firearms policy that forbids any gun from school property by anyone - a *completely* useless rule.

I may go for that.... another thing they could do is go through a class a couple times a year and some mandatory range time or simulator time. Also make simulator time available when it’s not being used by the schools. I know a ton of Tech colleges have simulators for their police degrees. Of course the instructor should be graded on this but I would also put some kind of pay increase for the responsibility they are taking on.

 

[werepossum]

"Arm" teachers sounds like an active verb. If so, it's a ridiculously stupid idea. I'm a teacher. I know a great number of teachers from a large number of school districts. First, many of those teachers wouldn't want to be armed - they'd want nothing to do with guns. Second, those who would accept the guns, you'd be spending a fortune for annual training - or do you think that just handing someone a weapon who has never fired a gun in their lives is a smart idea? And, if, say this year you take them to a gun range for an hour, and they never fire it again for years, do you really expect them to be effective 10 years down the road? How about maintenance of the firearm?

If anything, simply "allow" (not "arm") teachers to concealed carry - if they go through the normal steps to get their license. I think this is a better solution than the federal firearms policy that forbids any gun from school property by anyone - a *completely* useless rule.

Agreed. Simply arming teachers is a recipe for chaos, stolen guns and accidental discharges - I don't think anyone is advocating that. But allowing teachers who are otherwise qualified to carry guns - even paying them extra to maintain top-notch training - is a much better idea than assuming that a nation unable or unwilling to stop hundreds of thousands of illegals and hundreds of tons of illegal drugs is going to disarm, even if that could be done without destroying the Constitution. Posting an armed policeman is probably a good idea as well, but I can't help remembering Columbine and the armed policeman who fled the building. Far too often, "resource officer" becomes a dumping ground for the otherwise useless policeman. Contrast that with unarmed teachers to died trying to protect their charges and it seems pretty obvious who would be the better protector.

I may go for that.... another thing they could do is go through a class a couple times a year and some mandatory range time or simulator time. Also make simulator time available when it’s not being used by the schools. I know a ton of Tech colleges have simulators for their police degrees. Of course the instructor should be graded on this but I would also put some kind of pay increase for the responsibility they are taking on.

Actual range time, please. In a building densely populated by children, the consequences of a missed shot can be severe.

 

[Veliko]

And I think you non-Americans have no say in this discussion.

Look at how stupid this post is.

Everyone should point at it, and tell the poster how stupid he is.

 

[TallBill]

Lol what Dr Pizza said is already legal in a few states. The fact that some of you are like "oh thats an ok idea" makes me chuckle.

 

[Chops McGandhi]

Nonlethal weapons are a terrible choice. As an ex cop and former of instructor, and baton instructor, as well as having taser and less lethal round training I've posted the plethora of reasons why before.

One of many... would you expect someone to take down a shooter with a contact taser? Retarded

So, are you saying that nonlethal weapons are a bad idea because they would not be powerful enough to stop a bad guy?

Given your experience, I am interested in hearing more of your opinion.

 

[blankslate]

Why would you want to arm "Union Thugs"?

 

[HumblePie]

Lol what Dr Pizza said is already legal in a few states. The fact that some of you are like "oh thats an ok idea" makes me chuckle.

Yep. Utah anyone?

 

[TallBill]

So, are you saying that nonlethal weapons are a bad idea because they would not be powerful enough to stop a bad guy?

Given your experience, I am interested in hearing more of your opinion.

http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2289712&highlight=pepper&page=7

Here are some of my quotes from that topic.

If I'm in immediate fear of my life, the only way to defend myself is to show that I'm ready to use deadly force (draw the weapon) and then use deadly force until the threat is stopped.

Using any of those personal defense weapons in a non life threatening situation us a terrible idea as well. If someone is threatening to punch your head in, pepper spraying him could make him pull out a weapon or enrage him further to escalate the situation.

There are more factors as well, but this is a simple explanation.

Running is certainly the best option when it is available. If you can get out of a situation before it really escalates, it is your best bet. As soon as you stop hitting someone with current, all pain is gone. Civilian models are contact weapons as well, putting you right in the criminals reach. Danger Will Robinson!

They also work for police because they are trained to hold a suspect on the ground, have backup officers, can place the individual in handcuffs and a locked squad car to control them, and they carry appropriate weapons to react if the individual does continue to fight back. Plus they have training with the teaser itself, most private citizens just throw it in their purse and feel safe. Maybe pull it out when walking in a bad neighborhood that they really should just be avoiding anyways.

There are more reasons too, honestly there are only three viable self defense tools for regular citizens.

1. Avoiding situations or fleeing. The most recommended but shit happens.
2. Hand to hand self defense training. This can work, even possibly in life threatening situations. Its a LOT of work and obviously a good compliment even to legal firearm carriers.
3. Carry a firearm, train with it. Not a ton of work, go to the range every so often.

Anyone that thinks otherwise is a fool, and obviously plenty of citizens don't feel the need to defend themselves which is 100% absolutely fine. But they have the choice and ability to.

 

[DrPizza]

Lol what Dr Pizza said is already legal in a few states. The fact that some of you are like "oh thats an ok idea" makes me chuckle.

I did not know this. You learn something new every day. Since 1990, with the gun free school zone act, or whatever it's called, I've been under the impression that it was illegal to have a gun on any school property. That's true of NY. And, since it's a federal law, I assumed it was true nationally. I did not realize that it permitted licensed carriers if states wanted to permit them.

 

[Fenixgoon]

so you want to bring a knife to a gunfight?

 

[jackstar7]

The insurance industry loves this idea.

Armed teachers? You're never a more than a moment from a tragedy.

 

[schneiderguy]

nvm