An extremely disturbing letter to Bush about Enron from Michael Moore

[flavio]

<< and what does moore have to proove, do you thinks he just made up all the gov't jobs he gave to all his enron and oil buddies, that really wouldn't be to hard to disprove, so since you're screaming for proof why don't you proove what he's saying is wrong instead of making an a$$ out of yourself >>



Any proof that Texmaster doesn't like will be labelled "biased" and the person who wrote it a "moron". That's how it goes. But ask him to prove anything he says? Nah.

 

[Texmaster]

<< for all you great americans that are bashing clinton, what difference is it going to make, he's not the leader of the nation anymore, so anything he did doesn't matter anymore, but Bush is president, and a bad one >>



Prove it. What has he done in only one year that makes him "bad"? Back uip your BS.



<< oh texmaster you want proof, well if you knew anything half of it is getting shredded for some odd reason, and then your pal cheney is refusing to give up documents, who knows why, >>



Then why bring it up if you don't know why? LOL Your bias is leaded this attacked without a shred of evidence to back up your story.



<< you keep saying the dem accepted money from enron, did you see that thread here awhile ago showing the money donated to republicans and dem from enron, what was the breakdown 70/30, i wonder who they were trying to favor >>



I would LOVE to see a link for your 70/30 figure.



<< and what does moore have to proove, do you thinks he just made up all the gov't jobs he gave to all his enron and oil buddies, that really wouldn't be to hard to disprove, so since you're screaming for proof why don't you proove what he's saying is wrong instead of making an a$$ out of yourself >>



If you are niave enough to believe Moore has no political bias then there is no reason to debate with you. Obviosuly you don't read enough.


And I already have proved it in my last post. Look up.

 

[Texmaster]

<<

<< and what does moore have to proove, do you thinks he just made up all the gov't jobs he gave to all his enron and oil buddies, that really wouldn't be to hard to disprove, so since you're screaming for proof why don't you proove what he's saying is wrong instead of making an a$$ out of yourself >>



Any proof that Texmaster doesn't like will be labelled "biased" and the person who wrote it a "moron". That's how it goes. But ask him to prove anything he says? Nah. >>



LOL!! I just broke down Moore's sources and his accusations without links for evidence.

Read more carefully little buddy

If you spent more time reading and less time flaming, you wouldn't look so ignorant.

 

[flavio]

<< LOL!! I just broke down Moore's sources and his accusations without links for evidence. >>



You didn't link to evidence?

You keep talking about bias as if you're not the most biased person on the board.

 

[Texmaster]

<<

<< LOL!! I just broke down Moore's sources and his accusations without links for evidence. >>



You didn't link to evidence?

You keep talking about bias as if you're not the most biased person on the board. >>



What evidence would you like linked? Be more specific.

 

[Geekbabe]

<<

<< Why has everyone forgotten that Lay was Clinton's golfing buddy when he (Clinton) was in office? >>

Well many here think Clinton is scum.. Does that mean george W. is scum too? I don't know as I am one of those very cynicaol American voters and I'm not surprised nor that dismayed. I kind of figure they (the politicians) are all like that. I bet if Gore was President you'd find an awful lot of skeletons in his closet too. >>





Very true ! The biggest question I ask myself when looking over the potential candidates for any politcal office is which one of them do I think will have the smallest negative impact on my life and the way I conduct business.I really don't care a whole lot about what they did 20 yrs ago..as long as they weren't serial killers or something.As far as funding goes,hey it's all about the benjamins and they're probably all guilty of grabbing the bucks whenever and wherever they can.. some are just better than others at hiding their tracks.




<< To me the biggest negative about Bush is his Barber. He always looks fuzzy Headed. The leader of the Free World should at least have a good haircut. Anybody else notice how fuzzy his haircut looks? Hey G.W. get the Mousse and get with the program! >>




Rotflol at what was probably the most truthful comment in this entire thread.. he looks like he gets his hair done at Supercuts !!

 

[bigdog1218]

texmaster is the only thing you know about politics is the word bias, if you haven't realized yet you're probably the most biased person on this board



<< I would LOVE to see a link for your 70/30 figure. >>



sure
my proof, wheres yours

pay attention to the top individual donors, it looks more like 20/80

 

[Queasy]

I barely started reading this and came to the conclusion that it is so factually incorrect that it isn't funny.

For one thing, Enron's campaign donations were a single digit % of Bush's total campaign dollars received.

Secondly, Enron donated to damn near everybody on both aisles.

Thirdly, Everything that Enron did concerning the hiding of debt was done under the Clinton Administration's watch. How many know that Enron pushed for legislation from Congress that allowed the hiding of debt? Did you also now that the Congressional committee that heard this from Enron turned them down? Did you know that Clinton's Administration then backdoored the proposal into law allowing Enron to hide their debt?

Fourth, Lay was one of Clinton's many golfing buddies.

That is the first thing that came to my mind after reading just the first three paragraphs!

And finally, Moore is one of the biggest leftist pinkos on the planet. I would hardly qualify anything he writes as fair and/or objective. While Bush is leading a very real war on terrorism, liberals are leading a war on Bush using Enron despite the fact that the Bush administration did nothing but turn them down when they asked for help.

 

[NFS4]

<< texmaster is the only thing you know about politics is the word bias, if you haven't realized yet you're probably the most biased person on this board



<< I would LOVE to see a link for your 70/30 figure. >>



sure
my proof, wheres yours

pay attention to the top individual donors, it looks more like 20/80 >>


I actually made a post in that thread...it's more like this:

Total Republican funding:

'96 = 81%
'98 = 79%
'00 = 72%
'02 = 74%

 

[Texmaster]

<< texmaster is the only thing you know about politics is the word bias, if you haven't realized yet you're probably the most biased person on this board



<< I would LOVE to see a link for your 70/30 figure. >>



sure
my proof, wheres yours

pay attention to the top individual donors, it looks more like 20/80 >>



You are absolutely right. The Republicans received far more money.

Now, please show how this amounts to any evidence of illigeal activities.

And what proof would you like from me?

 

[Lars]

<< texmaster is the only thing you know about politics is the word bias, if you haven't realized yet you're probably the most biased person on this board >>



It is not always bad to be biased, but I am starting to get sick seeing more of his postings (which are all kind of the same) here. (Yes, I know; nobody forces me to read them.)

 

[GasX]

<< micheal moore is THE man... the awful truth is one the better shows on television... it's rare to see a man these days who actually cares about the betterent of the world... as opposed to himself, or his city/state/nation... that was quite the illuminating read... confirms my lack of faith/respect in george dubya... although i never had much to begin with >>

Moore may be an advocate of the little guy, but he is as full of sh!t as all the politicans he accuses of being full of sh!t!

Saying things like, "I would expect nothing less from a Party that couldn't even put their candidate in the White House after he had already won the election" pretty much means that everything you say after that will be ignored.

 

[Texmaster]

<< texmaster is the only thing you know about politics is the word bias, if you haven't realized yet you're probably the most biased person on this board >>




I've already said I'm biased Numerous times little buddy. You need to read more



<< It is not always bad to be biased, but I am starting to get sick seeing more of his postings (which are all kind of the same) here. (Yes, I know; nobody forces me to read them.) >>



And you are entitled to your own opinion.

But I'm not the one who travels to different anadtech forums and non political threads looking to flame.

That would be the people I disagree with here

 

[Hammer]

Some posts drivel like this and you get mad at him for posting? Any personally of reasonable intelligence could see through this crap and of course it would upset them. What disappoints me the most is that there are people here that actually believe the stuff. Please, use your heads guys.



<< It is not always bad to be biased, but I am starting to get sick seeing more of his postings (which are all kind of the same) here. (Yes, I know; nobody forces me to read them.) >>

 

[skace]

True jjones, But I've learned that everything in life is always partially right and partially wrong. What matters is what you take out of it. I'd rather read it and take out the informational/beneficial info, then b!tch about how he is ragging on Bush.

 

[AaronP]

How come Michael Moore doesn't go after the democrats with big problems, Tom Dashle's wife was a lobbyist for Enron, and Terry Mcaulliffe made 18 MILLION dollars off GLobal Crossing before it went bankrupt.

 

[mithrandir2001]

This whole Enron thing wouldn't be half the story it is if it wasn't for all those financially-incompetent employees who put all their life savings in Enron stock. Debate all you want about ethics, but if you put all your eggs in one basket, you are simply asking for trouble. The media simply finds all these wealthy-gone-poor stories worthy of drawn-out daily coverage.

Many dotcoms soared to hysterical market valuations only to fold and/or go bankrupt. Why isn't this a problem? Companies fail, that's the way free markets work.

I personally have never bought the stock of the companies I've worked for. It's very imprudent AFAIC. And as far as employees being mislead by Enron management: hey, maybe this is lesson for all the rah-rahs and sheeps at large companies who tow the line that their company is great, their company is awesome and their company is going to make them rich. Blind faith. Never completely trust what management says. Be critical. Exercise skepticism.

<-- Ardent supporter of buy-and-hold indexing. All hail Vanguard.

 

[clarkmo]

<< How come Michael Moore doesn't go after the democrats with big problems, Tom Dashle's wife was a lobbyist for Enron, and Terry Mcaulliffe made 18 MILLION dollars off GLobal Crossing before it went bankrupt. >>

Cause he's a democratic fanboy. It's the nature of the political game. Some of Russ's statements are so biased as to defy belief, but that's how the game is played. You piclk a side and stick to it with whatever you got. To expect anything but fanboyism from either of these guys is to have your head in the clouds. 80% or more of what you're gonna hear on this subject is going to be politically motivated. Very little will be purely factual. You just gotta sift thru it. You can't rush to judgement, unless your a fanboy, on this or anything that Clinton had going on.
You hear that!
You're all fanboys!!
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Equal Opportunity Flamer

 

[mss242]

So many people on this list are so incredibly stubborn about their beliefs. I think GWB could shoot texmaster in the leg and s/he would still be saying he is the greatest president ever. Just stop and think about the facts for a second people. Don't determine what you want to believe and then look for the facts to support that belief. What michael moore said is somewhat biased, but not for democrats. If any of you knew anything about Michael Moore you would know his only bias coming into play here is his bias against corporate fatcats that screw over the little guy. Read the facts he cites in his letter and then determine what is probably true. Just because you can't see bush getting porked by Ken lay doesn't mean they weren't in bed together. You can keep screaming for proof here and there, but that proof has already been shredded probably. One thing is for sure: something stinks in washington right now and it's not Laura Bush's snatch.

 

[clarkmo]

<< something stinks in washington right now and it's not Laura Bush's snatch >>


And you know this because....

 

[Hammer]

That's all well and good, but they didn't have a choice. They weren't allowed to move the money out.



<< This whole Enron thing wouldn't be half the story it is if it wasn't for all those financially-incompetent employees who put all their life savings in Enron stock. Debate all you want about ethics, but if you put all your eggs in one basket, you are simply asking for trouble. >>

 

[sgulasch]

Okay guys, Being anti-corporate or anti-corruption is not the same as being leftist. I consider myself and Educated Middle of the roader. Maybe one notch to the left more than others. But that's just my DIY punk rock roots. Moore isn't a Politican, he was, he's a pundit, author, moviemaker. Even when he was mayor at 18, he decided you can't beat politics from the inside.

I'm not gonna argue my points or anything here cause i can't change anyones ideas about anything, especially on a message board.

The greatest thing Michael Moore ever done was one picture, from the "Downsize This" book. It shows a building in Flint Michigan and than The Federal building in Oklahoma City. They both were pretty much identical. Economic corruption/power is just as strong as a Van full of explosives. Sure lives aren't ruined as fast or as symbolic, but the effect is the same. Mis-used captialism is the same a organized crime.

Don't get me wrong, I'm a fan of america's modified free enterprise system, however, when a company or companies can be so large and entrenched with red-tape that can't be controlled, but it needs to....nevermind. I give up. maybe over coffee one day.

 

[DanJ]

<< That's all well and good, but they didn't have a choice. They weren't allowed to move the money out. >>

Exactly Hammer; to blame the employees of Enron is so ignorant it blows my mind.

How would you like ALL your money ripped away from you mithrandir?

These people watched their life savings fall away without the ability to do ANYTHING about it just so Ken Lay can put a new bathroom in his 17th home.

 

[Russ]

<< Some of Russ's statements are so biased as to defy belief, but that's how the game is played. >>



Really, Clarkmo? Show us one.

Russ, NCNE

 

[Texmaster]

<<

<< Some of Russ's statements are so biased as to defy belief, but that's how the game is played. >>



Really, Clarkmo? Show us one.

Russ, NCNE >>



Sorry you got thrown under the buss Russ. They've really been going after me

Funny how when I ask Liberals here to prove Bush did something illegal for Enron, they dissappear. (bigdog1218 for example)

And its also interesting that no Michael Moore fans have challenged the quotes I pointed out in his political statement that were based on zero evidence or my analysis of where he got the information he linked to.

Then I get people who demand my "evidence" I ask what evidence are they referring to, they dissappear