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Question An example of how Nvidia is a cancer for graphics technology progress

What the hell is this? AMD had the code removed, they have no problems from Nvidia. Seriously, you should consider deleting this thread or at least editing it to be accurate.
 
igor_kavinski said:
Nvidia could have simply ignored Zluda but their worst fear is competition. They can't compete fairly hence their closed sourcing and other shenanigans to stay relevant. I hope MI400 bankrupts them.
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One could say the same about x86 patents that Intel and AMD hold preventing others from creating their own 64-bit x86 core without any legal issue.

So before you make silly statements about closed sourced and fear of competition remember that Intel/AMD do the exact same on the CPU side. I absolutely despise the patent system as that’s the true culprit here.
 
poke01 said:
One could say the same about x86 patents that Intel and AMD hold preventing others from creating their own 64-bit x86 core without any legal issue.
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Zluda is a translation layer. Intel's x86 exclusivity has been successfully breached by Qualcomm/Microsoft for Win on Arm. What Zluda demonstrates is that Nvidia created an artificial barrier and nothing more. It's the same thing as emulation. Other than Nvidia, only Nintendo is the big bad bully who involves its legal department against emulation efforts, despite them forcing the community to do that because they discard their own old hardware and drop all support for it. Saying that Intel/AMD do the same doesn't jive with reality. AMD has always strived for open standards and even Intel has given up and mostly warming itself up to creating open standards like oneAPI.
 
There is no sign they anyone was worried about NVidia. Intel was funding this first, then decided it didn't make sense, then AMD funded it for a while and similarly decided it didn't make sense:

It could be as simple as them deciding supporting a CUDA translation layer would only strengthen CUDA, and starve attempts to get a true open interface off the ground.

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A lone developer just open sourced a tool that could bring an end to Nvidia's AI hegemony — AMD financed it for months but abruptly ended its support. Nobody knows why

ZLUDA could run Nvidia CUDA code on AMD and Intel GPUs
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Janik lobbied for Intel to adopt it, but the company, who he worked for at the time, decided there was no business case for running CUDA applications on its GPUs and requested the project be taken down.
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Janik subsequently left Intel and was contracted by AMD to continue ZLUDA development. However, AMD also concluded there was no business case for running CUDA applications on its GPUs and ended its support for the project.
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AnandThenMan said:
Nvidia has been using borderline illegal tactics for as long as I can remember they do it because it works.
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All companies that get in a monopoly position do.
poke01 said:
One could say the same about x86 patents that Intel and AMD hold preventing others from creating their own 64-bit x86 core without any legal issue.

So before you make silly statements about closed sourced and fear of competition remember that Intel/AMD do the exact same on the CPU side. I absolutely despise the patent system as that’s the true culprit here.
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Agree. Many times courts have handed them a win. They even handed Intel a win when companies like Transmeta went through many hoops to get around that flaw with their translation layer.

The most recent win was Nvidia and Denver. As much as people hate Nvidia they have good engineering.
igor_kavinski said:
Zluda is a translation layer. Intel's x86 exclusivity has been successfully breached by Qualcomm/Microsoft for Win on Arm.
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Through Translation which Snapdragon X Elite is struggling with. It's not just performance. You have compatibility issues too.

If they were forced to open then there would have been more than two manufacturers way, way long ago. The courts side with Intel so others eventually said "F it" and is now drowning them with Smartphones.

The root of the problem is not Nvidia. The root of the problem is human nature, loopholes in laws, and corrupt government.
 
AnandThenMan said:
That's not a valid excuse.
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It may not be but it's the truth.

Startups are successful because the very nature of survival depends on the success of the one product. Now if they have a good idea and they find the recipe to be successful, they get a good product.

When they are successful, it's often unexpected even by the founders. Then they expand. And the accountants and the sales guys get promoted, because for the most part they are more charismatic and extroverted than the engineers and it's easier to see success as a dollar sign than "good engineering".

Then eventually the company gets run by finance guys, because again that is the easiest metric to judge against.
igor_kavinski said:
Agree with the statement but the world is ruined by few millions of rich humans with inherently corrupt or "post-riches corrupted" nature.
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And it won't change. Because even though there are those that resist the influence, the vast majority change for the worse.
 
DavidC1 said:
When they are successful, it's often unexpected even by the founders. Then they expand. And the accountants and the sales guys get promoted, because for the most part they are more charismatic and extroverted than the engineers and it's easier to see success as a dollar sign than "good engineering".
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That's very true. I hate all three. Accounts, sales and finance. All jobs that can be automated more or less by the engineers. These meatbags are lucky that the engineers aren't out to put them out of work.
 
DavidC1 said:
It may not be but it's the truth.

Startups are successful because the very nature of survival depends on the success of the one product. Now if they have a good idea and they find the recipe to be successful, they get a good product.

When they are successful, it's often unexpected even by the founders. Then they expand. And the accountants and the sales guys get promoted, because for the most part they are more charismatic and extroverted than the engineers and it's easier to see success as a dollar sign than "good engineering".

Then eventually the company gets run by finance guys, because again that is the easiest metric to judge against.

And it won't change. Because even though there are those that resist the influence, the vast majority change for the worse.
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So depressingly true.
 
maddie said:
Don't be too quick. Where is AI heading?
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Don't think that's happening in my lifetime. As one amusing blogpost put it, most companies can't even do proper CRUD websites and they think they are somehow going to use AI to revolutionize their workplaces? Yeah, right. And elephants will also start flying and lions will become vegetarians.
 
igor_kavinski said:
That's very true. I hate all three. Accounts, sales and finance. All jobs that can be automated more or less by the engineers. These meatbags are lucky that the engineers aren't out to put them out of work.
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I don't think they are bad in particular. The problem is the system. It's how the whole thing works. You can't change it unless everyone agrees with it and that won't happen without the whole system collapsing and people willing to try new ideas.

Accounts/Sales/Finance has to deal with people so they are better with things that allow them to get a promotion. Engineers deal with things. They can be mostly alone all day, and sometimes they have to in order to think.

They are both necessary but aren't compensated the same. And don't say Communism because that's the WORST way to make it work, where everyone is equally poor except the leaders.

Do note when it comes to engineering, Nvidia is excellent, even stellar here. They have a reputation of very low employee turnover, high loyalty and very high CEO score too. If you want engineer as a CEO, that's what Jensen Huang is, and not only that he is a founder.

But as you can see that doesn't prevent them from taking a monopolistic attitude. In fact they might even argue since with their hard work they deserve it, no?
 
DavidC1 said:
Do note when it comes to engineering, Nvidia is excellent, even stellar here. They have a reputation of very low employee turnover, high loyalty and very high CEO score too. If you want engineer as a CEO, that's what Jensen Huang is, and not only that he is a founder.
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Considering the average Nvidia employee is a multimillionaire even for engineering positions, the turnover had better be ridiculously low.
 
DavidC1 said:
But as you can see that doesn't prevent them from taking a monopolistic attitude. In fact they might even argue since with their hard work they deserve it, no?
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I'm not sure if it's really hard work. I would chalk it up more to cunningness, as in thinking of ways to entrap consumers into their hardware/software (drivers and related features) ecosystem. They ARE working smarter but their smartness is the bad kind, meant to exploit anyone who comes into their den. And now with rumors saying they will release WoA gaming laptops with their own GPUs? I hope those fail really bad and the x86 community refuses to let them win. We don't want another Apple.
 
igor_kavinski said:
I'm not sure if it's really hard work. I would chalk it up more to cunningness, as in thinking of ways to entrap consumers into their hardware/software (drivers and related features) ecosystem.
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That's because they reached absolute dominance a while ago. When achieved success by beating 3DFX and ATIMD(slowly) they did that with a legitimate win.

I think even now their work is top. Certainly neither AMD nor Intel is beating them. Just because they are being greedy doesn't mean I won't recognize them with their work. Bad people can do good work, and good people can do bad work.
ToTTenTranz said:
Considering the average Nvidia employee is a multimillionaire even for engineering positions, the turnover had better be ridiculously low.
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Cause the company is doing well. And at some point in pay you need more than money to entice them to stay. Because it really starts to not matter.

Keller didn't leave Intel early because of the money factor but because he saw that the company was unwilling to listen or change.

Only a literal handful of leaders recognize the importance of their employees and their contributions. I bet that is one reason why the turnover is low.

Actually it should be more common but vast, vast majority treat them like resource, something that's used and thrown away. No wonder a poll stated more than 60% of employees after getting laid off would reveal NDA info. And no wonder we have endless security problems with all sorts of sectors today...
 
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igor_kavinski said:
And now with rumors saying they will release WoA gaming laptops with their own GPUs? I hope those fail really bad and the x86 community refuses to let them win. We don't want another Apple.
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Are you scared of competition? Cause it’s seems like your okay with x86 duopoly.

Who is “we”? More like it’s you. I know many people in the PC community who use iPhones and MacBooks.
 
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