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An ex-Matrox owner's initial impression of RADEON AIW on Win2K

everblue

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After a month's waiting, I finally received my RADEON AIW in the mail on Monday. I yanked out my old trusty G400 Max and installed the new card. Here's my system configuration:

MSI 694PRO dual-processor motherboard with two Pentium III 800 processors
SBLive! Platinum
256MB SDRAM
Sony GDM-F500 21" monitor

And here's my initial impression after 2 days of use:

2D image quality: I chose Matrox as my brand of choice for the past 5 years because I am very concerned with 2D image quality. Moving to ATI was a big gamble for me, due to the company's poor reputation in this area. But when it comes to RADEON AIW, my fear proved to be unwarranted. I use 1600x1200x85Hz and even at this resolution, the card produced an image that's virtually undistinguishable from the G400.

There is, however, one Matrox 2D feature that I miss a lot: PixelTouch. This is the capability that allows you to zoom in on a particular area of the screen for a closer look. It is very useful for me when my eyes get tired late at night and I want to read screen text with less effort, as well as when I want to position controls on a form with pixel-level precision when designing Delphi applications. The RADEON has nothing like this, forcing me to rely on the Magnifier application that comes with Win2K, which isn't nearly as convenient.

DVD playing: Simply awesome. Image quality is superb. The interface is very usable. To my surprise, the card can play DVDs smoothly even at 1600x1200x32-bit! G400 simply wouldn't play DVDs at this resolution and color depth, and at the lowered color depth of 1600x1200x16-bit, the video would stutter from time to time. ATI's DVD capabilities is thus a major improvement over what G400 offered me.

I am experiencing one anomaly with DVD: the SPDIF passthrough simply doesn't work. When it is enabled, no singal is emitted from the port, and the video playback stutters and stretches anamorphic video to 4:3 aspect ratio. This may have something to do with the VIA chipset, dual processor, Windows 2000, or all of the above. I have to contact tech support and try the card on different computers to reach a conclusion. For the time being, though, digital audio is out of the question.


TV viewing/recording: This is by far the most disappointing of all the features of the card, even though it was a major incentive for buying it. Having used a Happauge WinTV card, I can tell you that the image quality is not NEARLY as good. Compared to the sharp and colorful image produced by WinTV, AIW's output is fuzzy and dull.

Using the recording functions causes so much instability problems on my system that it's virtually unusable. I can't record three times without causing a blue screen. For the MPEG-2 clips it did manage to record, the image quality is virtually indistinguishable from the TV output, which isn't saying much considering the poor quality of the latter to begin with. On the other hand, the quality of recorded sound is so full of noise that it's unlistenable. A call to tech support--when I have the time to make one--may help me resolve some of these problems, but for the meantime I must refrain from using TIVO-like features to avoid certain crash.

I don't have any comment yet to offer on 3D performance, but a recent OpenGL benchmark done by Anand showed that the Win2K driver is pretty abysmal compared to the Win9x counterpart.
 
I have been looking at getting the same card. Do us a favor and keep us up to date, and good luck I just talked to a guy that said he waited on hold for 1/2hr and just hung up because he didnt have the time to hold any longer.
 
everblue:

Thank you for confirming the reports I've seem on the 2D image quality.
I hope you have passed on the pixeltouch comment to ATI support as well,
there might actually be some people at the company interested in putting
new features like that into their drivers.

As far as the SPDIF output and the TV viewing, I'm glad that you contacted
support. The more they are made aware of issues that the AIW Radeon seems
to be having with VIA-based boards the better. I'm not seeing any blue
screens on captures, but I do have the sound problem if I capture at higher
than 160x120 resolution (Which means the card is useless for me as well
for doing any real capture work).

As for the sound quality, part of the problem seems to be that ATI's
Multimedia center install locks the input recording level at too high
a point for normal captures, causing the input signal to the sound
card to be overdriven. I'm trying to figure out if that setting
can be disabled; can you check you Record settings in the Windows
sound mixer to see if you can change the setting for the Master Volume?


On W2K drivers, I've heard rumor that better drivers are coming soon;
I'm hoping by the time COMDEX rolls around.

 
everblue:

I want to comment on one thing.

<<2D image quality: I chose Matrox as my brand of choice for the past 5 years because I am very concerned with 2D image quality. Moving to ATI was a big gamble for me, due to the company's poor reputation in this area. But when it comes to RADEON AIW, my fear proved to be unwarranted. I use 1600x1200x85Hz and even at this resolution, the card produced an image that's virtually undistinguishable from the G400.>>

This is completely untrue. Eventhough ATI is not up there with Matrox in 2D, but it has the reputation of being the &quot;best of the rest&quot;. I dont ever recall ATI being accused of stinky 2D like nVidia is right now.


<<There is, however, one Matrox 2D feature that I miss a lot: PixelTouch. This is the capability that allows you to zoom in on a particular area of the screen for a closer look. It is very useful for me when my eyes get tired late at night and I want to read screen text with less effort, as well as when I want to position controls on a form with pixel-level precision when designing Delphi applications. The RADEON has nothing like this, forcing me to rely on the Magnifier application that comes with Win2K, which isn't nearly as convenient.>>

Im not sure what you're talking about here. Can you describe this feature in detail a little bit more?
 
I sure wish they made the radeon 32 mb with video out. I don't need the video capture of the aiw and the 64mb is just way too expensive. What's amazing to me is that the aiw 128 is still only supported by beta drivers and programs in 2k. ATI sure doesn't seem to care about anything other than joe average home computer user.
 
My guess about the TV viewing that it's related to the maturity of the drivers, not the capability of the ATI hardware itself. Both the WinTV and the ATI hardware use the SAME CHIP! They both use Brooktree decoders since they seem to supply about 99% of the boards I've seen (ok, so I've only seen about 10 but all were Brooktree 😉 ). I used the ATI AIW 128 and also the WinTV in rapid succession, and they were identical to me under Win98. The AIW actually decoded the scrambled channels a little better, but it was a little newer.
 
everblue:

So you do not have the shimmering problem that John mentions in this thread? (Seeing that you have an ATI Radeon and a Sony Trinitron monitor)
 
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