An email from Michael Moore

JEDIYoda

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He makes several real good points which I will make BOLD type!!
IMO this about sums it all up!!


Subject: Fw: Pinch Me ...a message from Michael Moore
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> Wednesday, November 5th, 2008
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> Friends,
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> Who among us is not at a loss for words? Tears pour out. Tears of joy. Tears of relief. A stunning, whopping landslide of hope in a time of deep despair.
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> In a nation that was founded on genocide and then built on the backs of slaves, it was an unexpected moment, shocking in its simplicity: Barack Obama, a good man, a black man, said he would bring change to Washington, and the majority of the country liked that idea. The racists were present throughout the campaign and in the voting booth. But they are no longer the majority, and we will see their flame of hate fizzle out in our lifetime.>
> There was another important "first" last night. Never before in our history has an avowed anti-war candidate been elected president during a time of war. I hope President-elect Obama remembers that as he considers expanding the war in Afghanistan. The faith we now have will be lost if he forgets the main issue on which he beat his fellow Dems in the primaries and then a great war hero in the general election: The people of America are tired of war. Sick and tired. And their voice was loud and clear yesterday.
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> It's been an inexcusable 44 years since a Democrat running for president has received even just 51% of the vote. That's because most Americans haven't really liked the Democrats. They see them as rarely having the guts to get the job done or stand up for the working people they say they support. Well, here's their chance. It has been handed to them, via the voting public, in the form of a man who is not a party hack, not a set-for-life Beltway bureaucrat. Will he now become one of them, or will he force them to be more like him? We pray for the latter.
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> But today we celebrate this triumph of decency over personal attack, of peace over war, of intelligence over a belief that Adam and Eve rode around on dinosaurs just 6,000 years ago. What will it be like to have a smart president? Science, banished for eight years, will return. Imagine supporting our country's greatest minds as they seek to cure illness, discover new forms of energy, and work to save the planet. I know, pinch me.>
> We may, just possibly, also see a time of refreshing openness, enlightenment and creativity. The arts and the artists will not be seen as the enemy. Perhaps art will be explored in order to discover the greater truths. When FDR was ushered in with his landslide in 1932, what followed was Frank Capra and Preston Sturgis, Woody Guthrie and John Steinbeck, Dorothea Lange and Orson Welles. All week long I have been inundated with media asking me, "gee, Mike, what will you do now that Bush is gone?" Are they kidding? What will it be like to work and create in an environment that nurtures and supports film and the arts, science and invention, and the freedom to be whatever you want to be? Watch a thousand flowers bloom! We've entered a new era, and if I could sum up our collective first thought of this new era, it is this: Anything Is Possible.
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> An African American has been elected President of the United States! Anything is possible! We can wrestle our economy out of the hands of the reckless rich and return it to the people. Anything is possible! Every citizen can be guaranteed health care. Anything is possible! We can stop melting the polar ice caps. Anything is possible! Those who have committed war crimes will be brought to justice. Anything is possible.
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> We really don't have much time. There is big work to do. But this is the week for all of us to revel in this great moment. Be humble about it. Do not treat the Republicans in your life the way they have treated you the past eight years. Show them the grace and goodness that Barack Obama exuded throughout the campaign. Though called every name in the book, he refused to lower himself to the gutter and sling the mud back. Can we follow his example? I know, it will be hard.>
> I want to thank everyone who gave of their time and resources to make this victory happen. It's been a long road, and huge damage has been done to this great country, not to mention to many of you who have lost your jobs, gone bankrupt from medical bills, or suffered through a loved one being shipped off to Iraq. We will now work to repair this damage, and it won't be easy.
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> But what a way to start! Barack Hussein Obama, the 44th President of the United States. Wow. Seriously, wow.
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> Yours,
> Michael Moore
> MichaelMoore.com
> MMFlint@aol.com
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bamacre

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Originally posted by: JEDIYoda
There was another important "first" last night. Never before in our history has an avowed anti-war candidate been elected president during a time of war.

:laugh: WTF, is he serious?



 

Craig234

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I want to thank everyone who gave of their time and resources to make this victory happen. It's been a long road, and huge damage has been done to this great country, not to mention to many of you who have lost your jobs, gone bankrupt from medical bills, or suffered through a loved one being shipped off to Iraq. We will now work to repair this damage, and it won't be easy.

He sounds like he's trying to give a victory speech for his own election.:)

I think he makes an insightful point about the cultural rejuvenation that came with FDR.
 

Born2bwire

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Originally posted by: bamacre
Originally posted by: JEDIYoda
There was another important "first" last night. Never before in our history has an avowed anti-war candidate been elected president during a time of war.

:laugh: WTF, is he serious?

What I thought. Didn't Nixon run on a platform that wanted to end the Vietnam War?
 

bamacre

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Originally posted by: Born2bwire
Originally posted by: bamacre
Originally posted by: JEDIYoda
There was another important "first" last night. Never before in our history has an avowed anti-war candidate been elected president during a time of war.

:laugh: WTF, is he serious?

What I thought. Didn't Nixon run on a platform that wanted to end the Vietnam War?

Not the angle that has me :laugh: .

Obama is not an anti-war candidate. In fact, MM contradicted himself in the very next sentence, and completely ignores the whole "everything in my power to prevent Iran from obtaining nuclear weapons." And sending a billion over to Georgia, and supporting their entry into NATO doesn't help his cause either.
 

SlickSnake

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MM said it very well, I think.

And nobody can expect to agree with everyone 100% of the time. Yet on these forums, that seems like something most people can't possibly begin to fathom. There is nobody out there who will agree with someone elses opinion 100% of the time. If all the party hacks and religious hacks and racist hacks would just realize this, and stop rubbing everyone's nose in the differences, we would be a much happier world.

The mantra of the fascists of the last 8 years was mostly "divide and conquer" and now they will reap their deserved poisonous karmic deserts. At least for 4 years. After that, who knows.
 

Craig234

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Originally posted by: loki8481
An African American has been elected President of the United States! Anything is possible, unless you're gay, then sorry -- GL!

fixed?

What I find sad is how much people are not open to principles without being affected personally. So you have primarily blacks leading movements for black civil rights, and if you want to find Republicans who support gay rights, look for gay Republicans. That's a terrible situation because it means that rights are recognized not by principles and merit, but by how many people are in the affected group. It further suggests that large majorities will get far more than their share of rights simply because they can do so.
 

gevorg

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Originally posted by: JEDIYoda

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> But what a way to start! Barack Hussein Obama, the 44th President of the United States. Wow. Seriously, wow.
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> Yours,
> Michael Moore
> MichaelMoore.com
> MMFlint@aol.com
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Why did he mention Obama's middle name? Hmmm....





;)
 

Born2bwire

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Originally posted by: bamacre
Originally posted by: Born2bwire
Originally posted by: bamacre
Originally posted by: JEDIYoda
There was another important "first" last night. Never before in our history has an avowed anti-war candidate been elected president during a time of war.

:laugh: WTF, is he serious?

What I thought. Didn't Nixon run on a platform that wanted to end the Vietnam War?

Not the angle that has me :laugh: .

Obama is not an anti-war candidate. In fact, MM contradicted himself in the very next sentence, and completely ignores the whole "everything in my power to prevent Iran from obtaining nuclear weapons." And sending a billion over to Georgia, and supporting their entry into NATO doesn't help his cause either.

That too. I thought along similar lines in that while they want to end the war, they aren't just going to instantly bring the troops home in a way that an anti-war position would be.
 

JEDIYoda

Lifer
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Originally posted by: gevorg
Originally posted by: JEDIYoda

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> But what a way to start! Barack Hussein Obama, the 44th President of the United States. Wow. Seriously, wow.
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> Yours,
> Michael Moore
> MichaelMoore.com
> MMFlint@aol.com
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Why did he mention Obama's middle name? Hmmm....





;)

Why not the elections over.....and it is his middle name...regardless of if you like it or not!!
 

Painman

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Michael Moore's brand of Guilt Trip Liberalism is dying, thank God.

It's not that he's wrong about the slavery and genocide; it's just that people don't want to be made to feel somehow responsible for it -- they aren't. The people responsible for all of that are piles of dry bones buried 6 feet underground.

In a way, Obama is the antithesis of Moore. He IS black, and could have waved the Bloody Shirt if he chose to. But he didn't. He understood that you catch more flies with honey than with vinegar. When you try to guilt and flagellate people into voting for you, they don't; they give you the finger.

Moore makes some decent points in the rest of the message, but he's still too much of a sanctimonious boob for my taste. I'm glad he laid low and kept his mouth shut for most of this election cycle.
 

Skitzer

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Michael Moore is a tool.
While I agree with some of his points I just can't stand the guy.
 

Thump553

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Originally posted by: Skitzer
Michael Moore is a tool.
While I agree with some of his points I just can't stand the guy.


Totally agree. I don't know who got to him, but keeping him incommunicado for almost all the election cycle was a big benefit to Obama. I was dreading the convention coverage featuring him, like in 2004. In fact I never even saw him on TV until a day or two before the election.
 

TallBill

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I just would like to know what you did to get on this dipshit's mailing list :) His work was funny and cute when I was 15, but since then I've actually read stuff that he's talked about to realize that he's a blatant liar.