An alarming number of self described libertarians/anarchists support Trump.

[Amused]

Why?

It's really alarming to me that people who claim to profess freedom from government actually support the most fascist president in American History.

 

[vi edit]

Burn it down candidate attracts burn it down followers. Not sure why that is hard to understand. White nationalism crowd was a bonus.

 

[shortylickens]

4.

4 is an alarming number to you.

I think that fact is actually quite alarming all by itself.

 

[Amused]

4.

4 is an alarming number to you.

I think that fact is actually quite alarming all by itself.

https://www.salon.com/2016/12/23/do...o-claim-to-love-freedom-embraced-a-strongman/

 

[Amused]

https://www.lewrockwell.com/2016/03/walter-e-block/libertarians-trump/

 

[Amused]

http://www.cnbc.com/2016/04/14/where-are-all-the-ron-paulite-libertarians-in-2016.html

 

[dank69]

4.

4 is an alarming number to you.

I think that fact is actually quite alarming all by itself.

4 + all their followers. I bet it's the Trump administration's stance on pot that attracts them.

 

[brycejones]

4.

4 is an alarming number to you.

I think that fact is actually quite alarming all by itself.

These are thought leaders in those movements. So yes their support Trump is alarming. They have significant influence over thousands of other nutters.

 

[dank69]

These are thought leaders in those movements. So yes their support Trump is alarming. They have significant influence over thousands of other nutters.

You're playing fast and loose with the word "thought."

 

[Moonbeam]

My opinion is that these are people who are terrified of what they feel, are full of hate for what they have experienced, recognize the same inner fear in Trump, and admire, even worship the ego front he built to combat it. In a world of darkness and madness, the one we live in, we worship those who are best at being sick.

Only relatively emotionally healthy people can see how sick Trump is.

 

[BonzaiDuck]

Well . . . . you know I was so mad about this election and its aftermath -- hell -- mad about the whole campaign going back to '15! -- I wanted to boycott folks with whom I'd had a longstanding business relationship.

I thought about it at length -- probably for a good six months. Trumpers in California have a loud voice, but they are less than Nobody. They provided 38% of the vote, as opposed to Clinton's 62%. You could say they lost, because any influence California would have as a State in a new administration was lost due to the Electoral college results. And they lost as a minority in California. They were cheerleaders. Should we boycott cheerleaders?

I finally came to a deliberate rule-of-thumb. If those businesses made me feel uncomfortable, even for some receptionist "giving off vibes," I would look seriously at terminating my business, but only in review to reconsider. If I had said weeks before the election "Don't talk about politics!" to a medical professional, I might consider if they would later say something that sounded like a "victory dance."

And I told my dentist -- don't talk about politics. So when he grinned at me last month and asked with eyes wide "So -- whaddya think of Trump?!" I didn't bother with the verbal shrapnel. I just came home, waited for my appointment reminder by phone -- and canceled. I found another dental group-practice which is at least a break-even for me, with their own subscription-based brand of "dental insurance." They have better equipment, due to the economies-of-scale for a group practice.

That leaves my car mechanic. What will he say?

Whatever rule-of-thumb or boycott I choose to expand, I cannot understand how someone who thinks the American Character is something special would support The Birther King. That's low. Lower than crocodile piss in a sinkhole.

Trump is a disgusting pig -- period. Those talk-radio personalities are disgusting pigs. And an identifiable cohort of Trump's supporters and voters are -- by my judgment -- disgusting pigs.

And we don't "Hate" Trump as he would likely say to pre-empt the impact of our voices.

WE DESPISE HIM!

Otherwise, I've just run out of energy expressing myself about Pig-Shit in the Oval Office.

 

[fskimospy]

It's almost like they weren't anarchists or libertarians.

I'm shocked.

 

[brycejones]

You're playing fast and loose with the word "thought."

Yeah I know.

 

[nickqt]

It's almost like they weren't anarchists or libertarians.

I'm shocked.

Right-wing authoritarians have to pretend to be anything else until the correct right-wing Strongman comes along to explicitly allow them to be openly right-wing authoritarian in public.

 

[shortylickens]

It's almost like they weren't anarchists or libertarians.

I'm shocked.

Well, I am a libertarian and I never liked Trump OR Hillary.
I too had to play the game of Lesser Evil and it was not a fun experience.

 

[desura]

I can explain it.

Libertarians/anarchists kind of are responding to raw emotions and the available picks before them that are acceptably weird and extreme are libertarian or anarchist. But it is really a protest and a state,net of dissatisfaction with the current status quo.

Trump is the God-emperor, which is an ironic phrase. As in he is so stupid and blundering that he isn't like most rational humans, who would actually take responsibilities of the job seriously and study and try and do their best. He's like an impulsive jangle of nerves who watches cable news for 3 hours at a time while sitting as the POTUS.

Trump is the most wacked out person to ever be in the presidency. The hope is that his sheer incompetence and blundering will inadvertently destroy the federal bureaucracy.

I should also add that many of the base emotions the libertarians are feeling are racial. Ron Paul's newsletters in the 80's and 90's were notoriously racist. But they channel that feeling into acceptable abstraction.

 

[Azuma Hazuki]

Whenever you hear "libertarian," 9 times out of 10 or more you can write them off as closet authoritarians who are fine with the proverbial boot stamping on the proverbial human face, so long as it's their boot.

 

[Jhhnn]

Whenever you hear "libertarian," 9 times out of 10 or more you can write them off as closet authoritarians who are fine with the proverbial boot stamping on the proverbial human face, so long as it's their boot.

Libertarians are just a strange form of authoritarianism, the authority of wealth & ownership over even the govt of the people.

 

[Double Trouble]

Whenever you hear "libertarian," 9 times out of 10 or more you can write them off as closet authoritarians who are fine with the proverbial boot stamping on the proverbial human face, so long as it's their boot.

You can substitute "progressive" for "libertarian" and that works just the same. Just about every group seems fine with whatever is needed to make sure everyone else is forced to see things their way.

I consider myself a libertarian. I've never liked or supported Trump and I didn't vote for him, but the opposition to him has gone batshit insane. The voices of reasonable opposition with valid concerns is completely washed away by the idiots with their panties in a wad over anything Trump does, the crazy Russia conspiracy nuts, the people who want to open the borders to everyone in the world, the femminazis and so forth. It's truly bizarre.

 

[Jaskalas]

Whenever you hear "libertarian," 9 times out of 10 or more you can write them off as closet authoritarians who are fine with the proverbial boot stamping on the proverbial human face, so long as it's their boot.

If we had proper run off election(s) then I'm sure they'd all first pick a Libertarian candidate without fear of wasted votes.
The same way many would vote progressive if they felt free to do so without risking Republican victories.

 

[Double Trouble]

Libertarians are just a strange form of authoritarianism, the authority of wealth & ownership over even the govt of the people.

Using the force of government to compel others to do things the way we want is no different than wealth or any other form of power to coerce people. It just has the pretense of being different.

You think it's a coincidence that the three wealthiest counties based on income in the country are right next to Washington DC?

 

[Moonbeam]

I would say hat a libertarian is an idealist of high moral values who does not need an external threat to keep his or her values in place.

Everybody should be a libertarian but a lot of people would cut your threat if they thought they wouldn't get caught. A lot of those people think only of themselves. Libertarians offer little in the way of societal protections for our most vulnerable people.

 

[Blackjack200]

Yeah, libertarianism is rooted in a non-sensical plainly wrong view of society, so I'm not surprised that its followers contradict themselves.

 

[Amused]

I lean libertarian in that I believe the individual should be left alone so long as he is not harming another or violating their rights.

It is also logical to state that liberty and rights cannot be granted, only oppressed. Liberty is the default in the absence of oppression. Therefore it cannot be given. Only taken.

As for saying those who oppose Trump are batshit insane. Ummm, Trump himself is batshit insane. Implying the Russian connection is some unfounded conspiracy theory belies your own bias and is contrary to known fact.

 

[Jhhnn]

Using the force of government to compel others to do things the way we want is no different than wealth or any other form of power to coerce people. It just has the pretense of being different.

You think it's a coincidence that the three wealthiest counties based on income in the country are right next to Washington DC?

I did say the govt of the people, didn't I? Or is democracy subservient to wealth?

Are some animals really more equal than others because they own?