AmsOil EA Air Filters

[thescreensavers]

http://www.amsoil.com/StoreFront/eaa.aspx


What do you guys think about this type of filter?

Lots of people get it, but there are 0 tests of the filter from any other company then the one Amsoil has listed on the site.

 

[Pacfanweb]

My opinion is this: Why waste your money?

It won't do anything for your engine. Won't make more power, won't filter better than an OEM paper filter (and even if it did, so what, nobody has any engine failures from stock air filters to begin with), and really won't save you money.

I looked up one for my Suburban. Almost 50 bucks. They're guaranteed for 4 years/100k miles.

That's not a savings. My maintenance guide specifies to change the filter every 50k. I've had this car since 2004 and it's had 2 air filters put in it. And doesn't need one now, at over 100k.

Unless you live in a helluva dusty environment, you don't need an air filter in less than about 25k miles. Most times, a lot more.

So you have to ask yourself, what do you hope to gain by installing one of these filters? I see no benefit to anyone, other than the vendor who you buy it from.

 

[thescreensavers]

^ I am not looking for any type of performance gain with filters. I am just trying to find one with superior filtering. This filter looks good. And all you need is a vacuum to reuse.

9k miles in my OEM paper filter is half black now, It seems it needs to be changed, 15 bucks for one filter, or 35 bucks reusable. I can either change filters at 30k or 15k depending on what service interval I am following.

With the EA filter, I can easily follow the 15k interval or 30k.

More Silicon in engine = higher engine ware.

So Just trying to keep it down.

 

[Pacfanweb]

Couple of thoughts:

Is your power or fuel mileage down? If not, then your air filter is fine. It's SUPPOSED to get dirty. That means it's working. It's also designed to have a lot more flow capacity than your engine needs, so it can get dirty without impeding airflow.

If you go with the 30k interval, you can't justify a 50 dollar air filter that does nothing other than claim it cleans better.

Also, the more an air filter gets stopped up, the more it also filters. Getting dirty doesn't mean that more dirt gets in the engine. And where do you think you're sucking up silicone from?

So again....you have to ask yourself, what am I trying to accomplish here?

Nobody, and I mean NOBODY, has engine problems from a factory-type filter not keeping enough dirt out of the engine. Nor do they have excessive wear from it, either.

Just like nobody has oil-related engine failures, other than from not changing it or using the wrong oil.

Bottom line, it's your money. If you're enamored with the air filter and don't care about costs, try it. It's not going to make one iota of difference, but I doubt it'll hurt, either.

 

[thescreensavers]

^ my mpg went down by 2 :O. Its 35 bucks and reusable, two paper filters would equal that. So its not more expensive.

I just wanted to know what people thought about them as a filter.

 

[Pacfanweb]

^ my mpg went down by 2 :O. Its 35 bucks and reusable, two paper filters would equal that. So its not more expensive.

I just wanted to know what people thought about them as a filter.

Seriously doubt your mileage is down due to the air filter. More likely other changes, not to mention the winter gas blend.

 

[thescreensavers]

^ well the winter gas blend might be it, but I an in Florida, I am not sure if they use it here, they might. Google doesn't help me.

I just changed my Tranny/Dif Oil a week ago and my Engine oil (700 miles ago)


Any how, I still am just wondering about these filters :O

 

[KIAman]

Air filters are air filters. These are just another air filter so buy it or not, doesn't matter.

As to the company, Amsoil, they offer a lot of "performance" fluids for cars at a price. To me, I've always viewed these companies much like Monster Cable. They may or may not construct their products using superior/expensive parts but nothing proves they actually work any better than normal products but people buy them because their marketing message works. Expensive is better.

 

[thescreensavers]

Air filters are air filters. These are just another air filter so buy it or not, doesn't matter.

As to the company, Amsoil, they offer a lot of "performance" fluids for cars at a price. To me, I've always viewed these companies much like Monster Cable. They may or may not construct their products using superior/expensive parts but nothing proves they actually work any better than normal products but people buy them because their marketing message works. Expensive is better.

Well their oil, is great, and shows amazing UOA's so Its not something like "Monster Cables" in my eyes. They actually do make great OIL. So I am wondering about the filter thats all.

 

[KIAman]

I'm pretty sure their filter is good stuff considering they have their other product's reputation to keep up. Reading through their description of the filter itself, it makes sense. Nano-fiber looks like it filters better than cellulose.

As to the Monster Cable analogy, I never meant that to be a bad thing. Monster Cable is good at what they do and if you look at their descriptions on how their products are constructed, it looks superior. Amsoil oil has great UOA but so does a lot of other non "performance" oils at a cheaper price. In the end, UOA don't really matter that much because like Pacfanweb wrote, engines don't fail for oil reasons other than not changing it according to their respective specs.

BTW, what kinda of car does this go into?

 

[thescreensavers]

I'm pretty sure their filter is good stuff considering they have their other product's reputation to keep up. Reading through their description of the filter itself, it makes sense. Nano-fiber looks like it filters better than cellulose.

As to the Monster Cable analogy, I never meant that to be a bad thing. Monster Cable is good at what they do and if you look at their descriptions on how their products are constructed, it looks superior. Amsoil oil has great UOA but so does a lot of other non "performance" oils at a cheaper price. In the end, UOA don't really matter that much because like Pacfanweb wrote, engines don't fail for oil reasons other than not changing it according to their respective specs.

BTW, what kinda of car does this go into?

See sig. What monster cables mean to me is Over priced item that can be had much cheaper, and they perform the same. AmsOil is known for great Oil, as you said, I just put some of thier SVG Diff Fluid in my car as well, since it was one of the bests based on UOA and other tests that other people have done.

Now I know Amsoil is generally good, but dosnt really mean every product they have is. Like K&N the Oil Filters they make are absolutely top notch, but the air filters arent that good. ( thats debatable as well) but to what I know.

I am going to see how cheap I can get this filter for, but a OEM paper is 20, and the Wix OEM replacement is 15,The AmsOil is 35 and is reusable so it will end up cheaper, but I just don't want a filter that just lets lots of crud in. Yes I know there isnt any one having engine issues due to this, but its just something that can effect it in the higher miles I think, you guys might not agree but what ever you think you know.

 

[Throckmorton]

Air filters are air filters. These are just another air filter so buy it or not, doesn't matter.

As to the company, Amsoil, they offer a lot of "performance" fluids for cars at a price. To me, I've always viewed these companies much like Monster Cable. They may or may not construct their products using superior/expensive parts but nothing proves they actually work any better than normal products but people buy them because their marketing message works. Expensive is better.

No, all air filters are not the same. Those oiled air filters are CRAP. They filter many times worse than paper. See the link in my sig-- a K&N lets 40x as much dirt through than paper.

I don't trust Amsoil at all. The pyramid marketing scheme they use smell fishy, plus the fact that their oils don't meet some standards. Someone posted on jeepforum about a vehicles' warranty not being honored because the owner used Amsoil, which didn't meet the required standards. Amsoil left him high and dry.

 

[thescreensavers]

No, all air filters are not the same. Those oiled air filters are CRAP. They filter many times worse than paper. See the link in my sig-- a K&N lets 40x as much dirt through than paper.

I don't trust Amsoil at all. The pyramid marketing scheme they use smell fishy, plus the fact that their oils don't meet some standards. Someone posted on jeepforum about a vehicles' warranty not being honored because the owner used Amsoil, which didn't meet the required standards. Amsoil left him high and dry.

Did the dealer just void it like that? Or did something go wrong? Do You know what Oil he used?

All the oil I have seen from them has the standard required for my car it would be weird that they would not make there oil pass some other standard. Since there Oil is generally good.

 

[thescreensavers]

Any how I am just going to go with a paper wix for now. And my filter is dirty and restrictive. I had a dyno done today and lost 4hp due to the filter, looks like I am chancing that tomorrow :O

 

[LTC8K6]

4hp is probably in the error range for the dyno...

 

[Throckmorton]

My bad... I thought these were oiled filters like K&N.

It seems pretty feasible that those filter work better than stock... unlike the oiled crap like K&N.

I wouldn't buy one without seeing independent test results though.

 

[thescreensavers]

4hp is probably in the error range for the dyno...

Thats true, but all my runs were back to back 202, 200 199. Mustang dynos suck ass lol. So its 4hp man lol. I need to go on a dynojet asap to make me feel better lol

 

[Gillbot]

Any how I am just going to go with a paper wix for now. And my filter is dirty and restrictive. I had a dyno done today and lost 4hp due to the filter, looks like I am chancing that tomorrow :O

4hp is probably in the error range for the dyno...

Exactly, how have you confirmed that you lost power due to the filter? Weather may have played a role in different numbers as well.

 

[Gibson486]

^ I am not looking for any type of performance gain with filters. I am just trying to find one with superior filtering. This filter looks good. And all you need is a vacuum to reuse.

9k miles in my OEM paper filter is half black now, It seems it needs to be changed, 15 bucks for one filter, or 35 bucks reusable. I can either change filters at 30k or 15k depending on what service interval I am following.

With the EA filter, I can easily follow the 15k interval or 30k.

More Silicon in engine = higher engine ware.

So Just trying to keep it down.

If your filter is black after 9K, what makes you think that a more expensive will not be black after 9K? I mean, if it's black after 9K, doesn't that mean it did its job?

 

[thescreensavers]

Exactly, how have you confirmed that you lost power due to the filter? Weather may have played a role in different numbers as well.

Weather was the same each run was done within a minute of a each other. They Guy on the dyno said it was restricting me, and as soon as he pried open the air box a bit and held it open with a wrench I gained 4hp. A fellow club mate lost 2hp due to his K&N with the same box, but he said he had never cleaned it since he got it 30k ago lol.

Idk I am going to just pick up a Wix/Napa Gold Filter after school for 13 bucks.

 

[Throckmorton]

Napa Gold is supposed to be good stuff.

 

[thescreensavers]

^ yup made by wix, it was 13.48 cheap enough

 

[Gillbot]

Weather was the same each run was done within a minute of a each other. They Guy on the dyno said it was restricting me, and as soon as he pried open the air box a bit and held it open with a wrench I gained 4hp. A fellow club mate lost 2hp due to his K&N with the same box, but he said he had never cleaned it since he got it 30k ago lol.

Idk I am going to just pick up a Wix/Napa Gold Filter after school for 13 bucks.

What car was this performed on? If it were an EFI car, the PCM would not be able to cope instantly to the change in airflow without a PCM reset most likely. Most EFI cars "learn" to compensate for airflow changes due to the eventual filter restriction.

 

[DVad3r]

They are good filters. A lot of people run them on the V-Rod forum.

 

[darkswordsman17]

Basically it looks like they use "nanofibers" in conjunction with cellulose fibers to trap more dust (more particulate dust specifically). This would seemingly inhibit airflow, but they might be using a larger area to compensate or it might not even be necessary depending on the application. I'm not sure why its able to be cleaned while a regular cellulose can't, my guess is that is marketing.

OP, why not just clean your current filter?