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Question 'Ampere'/Next-gen gaming uarch speculation thread

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Ottonomous

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How much is the Samsung 7nm EUV process expected to provide in terms of gains?
How will the RTX components be scaled/developed?
Any major architectural enhancements expected?
Will VRAM be bumped to 16/12/12 for the top three?
Will there be further fragmentation in the lineup? (Keeping turing at cheaper prices, while offering 'beefed up RTX' options at the top?)
Will the top card be capable of >4K60, at least 90?
Would Nvidia ever consider an HBM implementation in the gaming lineup?
Will Nvidia introduce new proprietary technologies again?

Sorry if imprudent/uncalled for, just interested in the forum member's thoughts.
 
MrTeal said:
So, looking back at the 3080 leaked heatsink, that one is definitely two slot and the fan appears to be smaller, more like a 92mm. This seems to be a different heatsink in the same vein, but wow it's massive. It should be quite quiet though, hopefully.

Edit: What's the chance this is just a good photoshop from the previous leaks? A triple slot card that large is just a massive jump.
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I've never been very good at spotting photoshop fakes if they're even halfway decently done, but it doesn't look like a photshop job to me. I was thinking maybe someone 3d printed it based upon the leaked pictures but who knows.
 
n0x1ous said:
If 3080 and 3090 are both ga102 that is a crazy jump up in price to 3090 for what probably isn’t even a full die
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The good news may be, that those prices are actually with 50-100$ price premium for Founders Edition, on all of those GPUs.

SO MSRP for 3060 - 349, 3070 - 499, 3080 - 699, 3090 - 1299.

Reminds us of anything?
 
Glo. said:
The good news may be, that those prices are actually with 50-100$ price premium for Founders Edition, on all of those GPUs.

SO MSRP for 3060 - 349, 3070 - 499, 3080 - 699, 3090 - 1299.

Reminds us of anything?
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Which basically means AIB cards will be the same price. Was very rare to find AIB cards that were cheaper than FE cards.
 
maddie said:
I tell you, it's a dual GPU card. Not joking too much here.
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One axial fan isn't enough to cool a modern high end GPU, so no, I don't think so.

Besides, SLI has been murdered by modern graphics rendering techniques, so there's that too. Essentially, don't get hung up on that the fans are on different sides of the cooler. It really doesn't amount to a hill of beans.

MrTeal said:
There's a lot of ATX cases that something like this wouldn't fit in.
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I think it's even worse than this actually, wasn't there a pic showing the aux power connectors were located on the back end of the cooler instead of the top side as per usual? If true, that'd make the board even longer (and thus harder to fit.)

I'm also thinking, with the fin density we see here dust contamination is going to become a real issue. You'll need a decent compressor to clean something like that out, canned air isn't going to budge deeply entrenched dust bunnies in these narrow fin passages...
 
FaaR said:
I'm also thinking, with the fin density we see here dust contamination is going to become a real issue. You'll need a decent compressor to clean something like that out, canned air isn't going to budge deeply entrenched dust bunnies in these narrow fin passages...
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I was just thinking the same thing, those things are really tightly space. Unless you're extremely diligent with keeping them clean these things will melt down quickly.
 
This is giving me GTX480 vibes, and that thing was a total power hog for only 15% more performance than the competing Radeon 5870. I truly wonder if we'll see a repeat of that with the RTX3090 being 20-25% faster than the top 80CU RDNA2 Navi card while using 100W more power.

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Edit: Thanks to DiogoDX for the correction. I mean to say 5870, not 4780.
 
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Saylick said:
This is giving me GTX480 vibes, and that thing was a total power hog for only 15% more performance than the competing Radeon 4870. I truly wonder if we'll see a repeat of that with the RTX3090 being 20-25% faster than the top 80CU RDNA2 Navi card while using 100W more power.
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What if it will be 5% faster while consuming 100-125W of power more?
 
If true this is puzzling. I can't see any other reason to release such a power hog than to assume that's all they have for a while. The next process must be at least 12 months away. Else the 3080 would have sufficed for now. Also puzzled why the 3090 draws so much more power and heat if its the same chip.
 
Saylick said:
I truly wonder if we'll see a repeat of that with the RTX3090 being 20-25% faster than the top 80CU RDNA2 Navi card while using 100W more power.
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I think RTX 3080 = 2080Ti + 30% (@300-320W) | RTX 3090 = 2080Ti + 55-65% (330-350W)
IPC @ ~20-25%
I really think we'll see something special from the 3rd generation of Tensor / Tensor 3.0. Not only that but massive gains in effective TFLOPS using the new Ampere Sparsity feature giving huge increases to single precision (hence larger memory rumors we're seeing to allow non stifled throughput)

Saylick said:
while using 100W more power.
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I've seen competitor leaks saying less perf with 10% less W....
 
CakeMonster said:
If true this is puzzling. I can't see any other reason to release such a power hog than to assume that's all they have for a while. The next process must be at least 12 months away. Else the 3080 would have sufficed for now. Also puzzled why the 3090 draws so much more power and heat if its the same chip.
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Pretty sure the 3080 has the same cooler.

Edit: Note that there are 320+ W 2080 Ti AIB cards, like the Lighting Z. nVidia is basically making an OC card. I think you can assume there will be 'normal' 3080 and 3090's. Obviously those will be slower.
 
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