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Question 'Ampere'/Next-gen gaming uarch speculation thread

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Ottonomous

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How much is the Samsung 7nm EUV process expected to provide in terms of gains?
How will the RTX components be scaled/developed?
Any major architectural enhancements expected?
Will VRAM be bumped to 16/12/12 for the top three?
Will there be further fragmentation in the lineup? (Keeping turing at cheaper prices, while offering 'beefed up RTX' options at the top?)
Will the top card be capable of >4K60, at least 90?
Would Nvidia ever consider an HBM implementation in the gaming lineup?
Will Nvidia introduce new proprietary technologies again?

Sorry if imprudent/uncalled for, just interested in the forum member's thoughts.
 
Stuka87 said:
The only way to end up with 20 is to gimp the bug in some way. And while nVidia has done this before (GTX 970), not sure they want to go down that road again.
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They've done it in 1080Ti and 2080Ti as well; 11GB instead of 12GB...

1070 gimp was more serious, because accessing the last GB of RAM on that GPU led to a huge bandwidth loss due to the way memory controller hardware was designed internally. That's what caused all the online ruckus with subsequent egg on NV's face that time around; they wouldn't repeat that mistake for sure years later... 🙂
 
If that slide proves accurate, I'm going to skip this release and wait for the 3080Ti. I'm not paying $800 for a non-Ti card and no way I'd ever pay $1400 for any GPU. I don't think this release is going to work for me. Also, if the slide is accurate, look at what they've done to x70 buyers! $500 for a 70-class card? If I said what I really thought about that I'd get banned from Anandtech forever.
 
moonbogg said:
If that slide proves accurate, I'm going to skip this release and wait for the 3080Ti. I'm not paying $800 for a non-Ti card and no way I'd ever pay $1400 for any GPU. I don't think this release is going to work for me. Also, if the slide is accurate, look at what they've done to x70 buyers! $500 for a 70-class card? If I said what I really thought about that I'd get banned from Anandtech forever.
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From the sounds of it, there wont be a 3080Ti. The 3090 fills in that spot.
 
$800 would be tough to swallow for the 3080 if that's MSRP and not FE pricing. It wouldn't be surprising, but I wouldn't be rushing out the door to replace my 1080 Ti at that price if it is a small uplift over the 2080 Ti.
 
moonbogg said:
If that slide proves accurate, I'm going to skip this release and wait for the 3080Ti. I'm not paying $800 for a non-Ti card and no way I'd ever pay $1400 for any GPU. I don't think this release is going to work for me. Also, if the slide is accurate, look at what they've done to x70 buyers! $500 for a 70-class card? If I said what I really thought about that I'd get banned from Anandtech forever.
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No idea if those prices are real, but I guarantee you that if AMD is late to the party, NV are going to fleece the early adopter fanboy edition customers as usual. Unless RDNA2 is a huge flop, I would expect those prices to come down around holiday season.
 
FaaR said:
1070 gimp was more serious, because accessing the last GB of RAM on that GPU led to a huge bandwidth loss due to the way memory controller hardware was designed internally. That's what caused all the online ruckus with subsequent egg on NV's face that time around; they wouldn't repeat that mistake for sure years later... 🙂
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Uh....are you talking about 970?
 
CastleBravo said:
No idea if those prices are real, but I guarantee you that if AMD is late to the party, NV are going to fleece the early adopter fanboy edition customers as usual. Unless RDNA2 is a huge flop, I would expect those prices to come down around holiday season.
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Then I got no problem waiting for RDNA2 and the holiday season. Truly, at those prices, waiting is more than fine with me. I've had it with this ridiculous crap. Also, if my 1080Ti replacement now costs $1400, then a console it really is. They are going to be awesome this time and I'd have a blast playing with my kids. OMG imagine spending half as much on a console as a single GPU and having a blast, lol. Actually, I could just about buy a console AND a new TV for not much more than $1400. They have to be kidding. The value proposition is filthy.
 
CastleBravo said:
No idea if those prices are real, but I guarantee you that if AMD is late to the party, NV are going to fleece the early adopter fanboy edition customers as usual. Unless RDNA2 is a huge flop, I would expect those prices to come down around holiday season.
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I suspect that paper launch because of short supply of GDDR6X and the time to take to ramp that up properly. Also the cost of the new memory I suspect is expensive. So putting it together will mean short supply keeping the prices high for a while...
 
I guess GeForce RTX 3070 [Ti] for 500 USD is alright. Almost 2080 Ti performance, more memory, a lot lower price. This tier may again be the "balanced" upper-end tier, like the 2070 S.
 
moonbogg said:
Then I got no problem waiting for RDNA2 and the holiday season. Truly, at those prices, waiting is more than fine with me. I've had it with this ridiculous crap. Also, if my 1080Ti replacement now costs $1400, then a console it really is. They are going to be awesome this time and I'd have a blast playing with my kids. OMG imagine spending half as much on a console as a single GPU and having a blast, lol. Actually, I could just about buy a console AND a new TV for not much more than $1400. They have to be kidding. The value proposition is filthy.
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If Nvidia thinks they can continue to increase GPU prices with Ampere they are going to be in for a rude awakening. A 12 TF Xbox Series X with 8 Zen2 cores at 3.66 Ghz (with SMT) is going to provide better gaming perf than a RTX 3060 and maybe even match a RTX 3070 if we assume the current Ampere rumours are true. At a rumoured price of $500 Series X is going to provide a level of CPU and GPU performance unseen in a game console. Then comes the actual competition with RDNA2 on PC which is going to be aggressive given what we know about RDNA2 area and power efficiency (from the claimed 1x GPU power draw vs Xbox One X).
 
raghu78 said:
If Nvidia thinks they can continue to increase GPU prices with Ampere they are going to be in for a rude awakening. A 12 TF Xbox Series X with 8 Zen2 cores at 3.66 Ghz (with SMT) is going to provide better gaming perf than a RTX 3060 and maybe even match a RTX 3070 if we assume the current Ampere rumours are true. At a rumoured price of $500 Series X is going to provide a level of CPU and GPU performance unseen in console. Then comes the actual competition with RDNA2 on PC which is going to be aggressive given what we know about RDNA2 power efficiency from the claimed 1x GPU power draw vs Xbox One X.
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At $500 Microsoft would be losing money, probably a decent amount. AMD with the dGPUs is not going to do that obviously. People don't seem to understand that part of the console business I guess.

I would expect high prices from AMD.
 
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jpiniero said:
At $500 Microsoft would be losing money, probably a decent amount. AMD with the dGPUs is not going to do that obviously. People don't seem to understand that part of the console business I guess.

I would expect high prices from AMD.
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True, but people aren't going to shell out for an NV card instead of buying an Xbox just because MS is selling them at zero margin or a slightly loss, so his point kinda stands.
 
jpiniero said:
At $500 Microsoft would be losing money, probably a decent amount. AMD with the dGPUs is not going to do that obviously. People don't seem to understand that part of the console business I guess.

I would expect high prices from AMD.
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The business model in game consoles is sell the hardware for a slight loss at the start of a new console generation, breakeven on hardware cost in 2-3 years and turn a small profit after that. The actual money is made on game software licensing. Every Xbox or PS5 game will have a roughly flat 20% royalty (based on MSRP) paid to MS and Sony respectively. Console gaming is a closed ecosystem and game publishers have to pay the royalties on every game unit sold. There is also the subscription revenue to services like Xbox Live Gold. BTW AMD is providing a semi custom SoC to MS / Sony and will get paid for the NRE (non recurring engineering expenses) upfront and for every chip sold with a fair margin of 15-20%. The pricing for the SoC is based on a pricing model which both parties agree on and is reviewed from time to time (i would guess annual cadence). As the process node becomes cheaper MS and Sony will get lower price.
 
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uzzi38 said:
You should never assume any pricing rumours are accurate.

Several times in the past prices have changed or even been set minutes before the presentations began.
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People here are saying $499 for the 3070 would be a price increase when if it's true (as I said before) it's either same as 2070 or cheaper.

The only price that concerns me is the best GPU for £350, I gotta buy a lot of them. My own system, gonna go as far as £1k but no further.
 
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