- Jan 8, 2001
I hope so! If AMD can bring good competition I'll give them my money. I'm waiting until early next year to upgrade anyways, so the only x-factor in a highly competitive GPU fight will be how many games are supporting / announced support for DLSS by then.Big Navi is not just a big Navi10, rdna2 is a change of architecture. So no linear scaling isnt necessarily relevant
Can you please link me where they compare to a 2080 TI? They never use a 2080Ti......Out of the 4 titles shown on the DF vid, the average of the uplift vs the 2080ti is 35%
All the titles chosen were to definitely hamstring the 8gb 448gbs 2080 memory, nevertheless the performance improvement is impressive.
The difference between the 3080 and the 2080 was 35% for control with RT and DLSS on and off ie the RT performance between the 3080 and 2080 was 1:1, which seems to indicate perhaps a limitation or bottleneck somewhere in that bench maybe. Hardware unboxed noticed the same thing.
We really have no idea where AMD is at with regards to their development and performance of RDNA2. So we can't rule one way or the other.
We have seen a openvr bench of an AMD GPU 30% faster than a 2080ti, so there is that
Anyway, 3080 at 699 is a pretty good deal tbh. Hope AMD gives us even more
You can get all the 2080 benchmark numbers from gamegpu for each game and setting. The narrator lists the % uplift of the 3080. From that you can establish fps, then compare to 2080ti. Sottr was the worst with 22%, doom eternal was the best with 44%Can you please link me where they compare to a 2080 TI? They never use a 2080Ti......
Yes as I have pointed out the math typically shows that 2 X 5700XT is about + 30% (33%) a 2080Ti, And I’ve also said there is nothing stopping that benchmark that showed up being a 400 W nuclear reactor engineering sample.
I am very much looking forward to Hardware Unboxed review.
Oh you are doing manual calculations..... and estimates that weren't in the video (from some unknown other source). Yeah... best to wait for Hardware Unboxed reviews.You can get all the 2080 benchmark numbers from gamegpu for each game and setting. The narrator lists the % uplift of the 3080. From that you can establish fps, then compare to 2080ti. Sottr was the worst with 22%, doom eternal was the best with 44%
Nice speech but reality is different. Facts:Only people not long in the game can really be that enthusiastic about this...
It's only great because the last 5 years have seen extreme price gouging on both sides. AMD couldn't deliver more and was happy NV didn't price them out of the market and on top of that we had consoles with very outdated CPU and mediocre GPU.
Now we get very good consoles and AMD is in the game again. Competition. That is what is lowering prices not NVs choice of process tech. Look at NV margins how they grew during the last 5 years. The high prices weren't due to finfets they were to make more money.
Perhaps, but dont forget that GA102 is even larger at 627mm2 that makes yields even lower, increasing the cost further.
So even if SS 8N wafers are cheaper, yields on the 627mm2 die will be lower.
NVIDIA now will be forced to sell a bigger die (627mm2) to compete with a smaller die (500mm2).
Not relevant. Nvidia buys wafers at Samsung with a guaranteed % of good dies. At the wafer scale, Nvidia is 30% cheaper than AMD with TSMC (with same die size of course)We should all realize that SS8, at least for big die must have terrible parametric yield.
you can bring a 350W card to the fight. It's not the problem.Like 350W stupid? How dare AMD to launch a card with such high power. No one will accept.
nVida got the wafers for cheaper than TSMC, but we do not know the percentage. We also don't know what AMD pays per wafer. AMD is TSMC's 4th largest customer, and as such, they get a better deal than smaller customers. PLUS, lets not forget what is unarguably the most expensive reference cooler ever. This also eats into margins.Nice speech but reality is different. Facts:
- Pre-Finfet wafer price was about 3k at TSMC
- TSMC 7nm wafer is now between 7 to 9k depending on EUV and cells options
- In the last 5 years, Nvidia margin increased from 45 to 60% due to the boom of datacenter business, not from gaming division.
Ampere is cheaper because :
- 30% price reduction Nvidia got from Samsung compared to TSMC,
- and yes you are right, Nvidia must minimize the new console impact on their geforce business
Personally, I think it has very few to do with upcoming AMD DGPUs. Fans talk a lot but RDNA2 is not a thread to Ampere. RDNA2 is basically a Turing V2 without tensor cores and less RT hardware. DLSS is missing, RT perf is barely above Turing, only power efficiency is good at the optimum voltage/speed but who knows what stupid thing AMD will do to compete with Ampere...
I'm not usually one for internet rumors but Tweaktown posted an article saying basically the exact opposite of what you are claiming.
I don't see any contradiction. They talk about supply issue. I talk about purchasing deal. They are different things.I'm not usually one for internet rumors but Tweaktown posted an article saying basically the exact opposite of what you are claiming.
If you want one, you better pre-order because my sources tell me GeForce RTX 3090, RTX 3080, and RTX 3070 stock will be LOW.www.tweaktown.com
... is pure profanity deletedAnother source had something much more damning to say, but I want to flesh that out before I write it. For now, I'm being told stock will be extremely low for the next couple of months. Why? Samsung 8nm yields are unknown at this point, NVIDIA might not want to make too many before the yields improve.
Since the process they are using has some amount of customization, if Nvidia is really pushing the launch to get ahead of AMD, I could see a situation where the yield for Ampere isn't fully known yet, especially since Samsung hasn't taped out anything near Ampere's size or complexity to date on 8nm/10nm that I am aware of. To say completely unknown for sure wouldn't be accurate, but I guess that's just not how I interpreted it.I don't see any contradiction. They talk about supply issue. I talk about purchasing deal. They are different things.
But Tweaktown article has false information and anyone working in the industry will tell you that...
... is pure
Nvidia has on-site engineers working at Samsung and TSMC fabs daily monitoring the yields. They know down to the 3 digits what's going on. Seriously, a multi-billion dollar fab running without knowing the yields
citation needed. You are using that number all over the thread without a single credible source (I doubt it exists) so I have to assume you pulled it out of a very dark place.- 30% price reduction Nvidia got from Samsung compared to TSMC,
This basically depends on sales, as seen or forseen after AMD launch their stuff and MS and Sony do the same.I'm excited about the 3080. A 3080Ti would have more ram and be faster, but I'm pretty confident it would also be more expensive.
Since we are not talking about the same die sizes here what you are saying is irrelevant.
AMD is number ONE 7nm customer at TSMC currently with 30K wpm , im sure they got a very nice deal.nVida got the wafers for cheaper than TSMC, but we do not know the percentage. We also don't know what AMD pays per wafer. AMD is TSMC's 4th largest customer, and as such, they get a better deal than smaller customers. PLUS, lets not forget what is unarguably the most expensive reference cooler ever. This also eats into margins.
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