AMOLED vs LCD

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sweenish

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Why would you keep a phone for three years?

Well, that's just ignorant, isn't it?

Why don't we try the fact that I can't afford a new phone at the moment. As much as I enjoy keeping up on news and devices, it's not like I can go out and get whatever I want, whenever I want.

Never mind that the Snapdragon 800 ushered in the era of "good enough."

So, thank you and ChrisKim for highlighting the stupid side of the enthusiast community.

It's not like I'm living like a peasant, my N5 is doing fine enough right now. Contrary to what tux would say. And before he shows up, he has a G2 on KK, and it's amaze-balls.
 

kpkp

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Enthusiasts buy top of the line flagships and all the companies that build phones with high-end specs are certainly targeting enthusiasts. Otherwise there'd be complete stagnation with no push forward in the tech. SoC, screens, cameras, storage, all of them are constantly pushing forward.

Apple makes the most expensive SoC on the market, and they manage to find 200+ millions of enthusiasts a year. Let me know when Ferrari and friends does that.
 

lxskllr

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...because we're enthusiasts...

Why buy a RWD sports car if all you needs is a FWD 4 door sedan?

Why eat a lobster when all you need is some oatmeal?

Why build a computer with a GTX 990 Ti when an AMD APU will do?

Same line of thinking. Because this is a hobby of ours.

A "phone enthusiast" is a joke. They're all turds, and I only use one because it's better than nothing; barely... I plan on keeping my S5 until it physically doesn't work anymore, or a decent libre alternative gets released. If that's five years, it's fine with me. It mostly does what I require today, and I don't see my requirements changing in the near/mid future.
 
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Apple makes the most expensive SoC on the market, and they manage to find 200+ millions of enthusiasts a year. Let me know when Ferrari and friends does that.

Apple is more akin to a luxury brand like Mercedes or Lexus than they are Ferrari. More expensive, higher margins, focus on service, but not unattainable for most people. Brand is valued more than the actual engineer/tech itself and pieced together with a different experience (i.e. branded stores for Apple and complementary loaners/service for luxury car brands).

Vertu would be closer to something like Ferrari or Lamborghini. Exotics which normal people could never buy.
 
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Well, that's just ignorant, isn't it?

Why don't we try the fact that I can't afford a new phone at the moment. As much as I enjoy keeping up on news and devices, it's not like I can go out and get whatever I want, whenever I want.

Never mind that the Snapdragon 800 ushered in the era of "good enough."

So, thank you and ChrisKim for highlighting the stupid side of the enthusiast community.

It's not like I'm living like a peasant, my N5 is doing fine enough right now. Contrary to what tux would say. And before he shows up, he has a G2 on KK, and it's amaze-balls.

A "phone enthusiast" is a joke. They're all turds, and I only use one because it's better than nothing; barely... I plan on keeping my S5 until it physically doesn't work anymore, or a decent libre alternative gets released. If that's five years, it's fine with me. It mostly does what I require today, and I don't see my requirements changing in the near/mid future.

Why the name calling?Each person has his/her own tastes and priorities in life. Just because it differs from your perspective doesn't make it stupid or a joke.

There's nothing wrong with not being an enthusiast. Just that some of us are enthusiasts and are willing to pay money to change all the time and have the cutting edge. Is being a grilling, home theater, shoes, ice hockey, or boating enthusiast so bad, either? Different flavors of life. Nobody needs to be an enthusiast, be being one for something you're interested in is certainly fun.

On a forum like AT, most people tend to be hardcore tech enthusiasts, which is why the content on the site are oriented the way they are.
 
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Sheep

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I've had burn in on a galaxy nexus and on a note 3. I personally hate amoled screens. They are expensive to replace if broken too

I encountered the same thing on a Galaxy Nexus that typically had the brightness down at 25-30% during everyday use. Have AMOLEDs improved any in that regard? If not, the burn-in is a total deal-breaker for me.
 

lxskllr

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Why the name calling?Each person has his/her own tastes and priorities in life. Just because it differs from your perspective doesn't make it stupid or a joke.

There's nothing wrong with not being an enthusiast. Just that some of us are enthusiasts and are willing to pay money to change all the time and have the cutting edge. Is being a grilling, home theater, shoes, ice hockey, or boating enthusiast so bad, either? Different flavors of life. Nobody needs to be an enthusiast, be being one for something you're interested in is certainly fun.

On a forum like AT, most people tend to be hardcore tech enthusiasts, which is why the content on the site are oriented the way they are.

What name calling? An enthusiast does "stuff", and phones aren't about doing stuff. The word you're looking for is "consumer". A consumer buys all the trash that gets shoveled their way, whether they need it or not.
 

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I only buy phones with amoled because I use my phone as a night clock.

But since there is not any new exiting amoled phones I'm considering buying a lcd:(
 
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I think the top of the line for both are good. If the manufacturer calibrates the displays properly, then you will get a good experience. I personally don't mind which I get, but the AMOLED screen on the Note 4 certainly is beautiful.

I was NOT a fan of the old AMOLED screens like on the Galaxy Nexus. That was absolutely trash and horribly calibrated.
 
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What name calling? An enthusiast does "stuff", and phones aren't about doing stuff. The word you're looking for is "consumer". A consumer buys all the trash that gets shoveled their way, whether they need it or not.

Calling people who like phones and go through them quickly a joke?

Anyway, it seems you think it's silly to like phones a lot and it's not something you really care for.

But, definition-wise: "a person who is highly interested in a particular activity or subject."

Can really include anyone, really.
 

npaladin-2000

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AMOLED can definitely be a superior technology, with faster refresh and thinner design. But it's only more battery efficient if the content being displayed is optimized for AMOLED. On the other hand, AMOLED phones are excellent for in-car navigation also. They're pretty visible in sunlight, but while individual pixels can get brighter than any LCD, there's a practical limit to the total panel brightness (heat limit usually).

IPS LCDs are cheaper, and don't care about the content being displayed, but can't display pure blacks, and at some angles can't be seen through polarized sunglasses at all. They also CAN get brighter than AMOLED, but because of an extra layer or two, are not usually as visible in sunlight as AMOLED.
 

GTRagnarok

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Never going back to a display that can't display true black. Amoled displays are soooo good to look at when I'm in bed at night (well, at any time really, but especially in the dark). Nothing quite like watching a movie and seeing the movie window just floating there in front of you without any "black" bars. It's like the display is morphing to suit the content.
 

poofyhairguy

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What name calling? An enthusiast does "stuff", and phones aren't about doing stuff.

Lol I do most of my personal compute on mobile devices. " Stuff" like ssh, server management, network configuration, file management, and content control.


Back on topic I just don't see the point of AMOLED in a phone anymore. It is best for movies/tv, but I have never watched a movie on my phone. Even if its the best screen in the house my 65 inch plasma is easier to watch.

Web page browsing? Mostly white backgrounds on web pages. Can't theme that.

Gaming? AMOLEDs get hot after constant use and throttle your phone.

Photography? LCD can be much more accurate than all but the top tier (read: only Samsung phones) AMOLEDS.

Car/nav use? LCD is often easier to read in daylight.

Even on watches I don't see the point, as the AMOLED models don't get way better battery life. I think the most overrated talking point in mobile technologies is how black backgrounds cut AMOLED power usage. I think the way many of these panels are implemented the advantage is negligible, but LCD certainly does better with mostly white Lollipop-esc GUIs.
 

lxskllr

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Lol I do most of my personal compute on mobile devices. " Stuff" like ssh, server management, network configuration, file management, and content control.

You're in the minority, and none of those are best served on a phone. A phone is portable. That's its exclusive advantage, and only desireable trait. An Amiga class machine would serve your needs perfectly. Anything newer is like using a Lamborghini to get your groceries.
 

kpkp

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You're in the minority, and none of those are best served on a phone. A phone is portable. That's its exclusive advantage, and only desireable trait. An Amiga class machine would serve your needs perfectly. Anything newer is like using a Lamborghini to get your groceries.

The always connected part together with pocketabilty is what makes it truly mobile. A truly mobile device has great (the best) demand as the market has shown.
 

dawheat

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Back on topic I just don't see the point of AMOLED in a phone anymore. It is best for movies/tv, but I have never watched a movie on my phone. Even if its the best screen in the house my 65 inch plasma is easier to watch.

Sample size issue - I think it's pretty obvious a ton of people watch content on their mobile devices. I'm in NYC so that proportion is probably higher than normal.

Web page browsing? Mostly white backgrounds on web pages. Can't theme that.
Sure, but the power disadvantage on even white content continues to narrow, balanced out by advantage in lower APL.

Gaming? AMOLEDs get hot after constant use and throttle your phone.
Source? I've honestly never heard this. Any screen might get hot at high brightness levels and if the SOC is working hard, but in isolution, how exactly would gaming cause an AMOLED screen itself to get hot?
Photography? LCD can be much more accurate than all but the top tier (read: only Samsung phones) AMOLEDS.
Considering probably 95% of AMOLED phones sold are Samsungs, not sure if this is a valid point.
Car/nav use? LCD is often easier to read in daylight.
Disagree here - the newest AMOLEDs tend to be a bit better to read in sunlight (or as good as the best LCDs) due to sufficient brightness and lower reflectance. This is using both my Note 4 and my wife's iPhone 6 as navis.
Even on watches I don't see the point, as the AMOLED models don't get way better battery life. I think the most overrated talking point in mobile technologies is how black backgrounds cut AMOLED power usage. I think the way many of these panels are implemented the advantage is negligible, but LCD certainly does better with mostly white Lollipop-esc GUIs.
Hard to determine as most smartwatches are so bad. It is a bit supported by the fact that the best one (Apple Watch) uses OLED screens and gets decent battery life.

Honestly - I don't think one tech is really superior to the other. A top LCD and AMOLED screen will make you happy and a not great one won't. I do think the improvement curves in AMOLEDs have been quite a bit steeper than LCDs (they had to be) and may exceed LCDs soon in most measurable metrics.
 

poofyhairguy

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You're in the minority

We all are. The majority are using a mobile device for their primary compute purpose: social media.

, and none of those are best served on a phone. A phone is portable.

I am best served by a computing device I have easy access to. That means the computer I have in my pocket or I can carry with one hand (iPad) wins over a laptop I would have to drag around or a desktop I have to go to.

That's its exclusive advantage, and only desireable trait.

Well that and a touch interface (no need for the bulk of a keyboard).

An Amiga class machine would serve your needs perfectly.

Lol, no. Most of my setup is managed through web applications and any device slower than the iPad Air 2 can't load all the JavaScript properly. Just my router's web interface would break an Amiga. But my iPad loads it all quicker than my Core 2 Duo desktop.
 

poofyhairguy

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Sample size issue - I think it's pretty obvious a ton of people watch content on their mobile devices. I'm in NYC so that proportion is probably higher than normal.

Fair enough.

Any screen might get hot at high brightness levels and if the SOC is working hard, but in isolution, how exactly would gaming cause an AMOLED screen itself to get hot?

AMOLEDs get hotter under normal use than LCDs. That is a given, just like plasma did. Heat limits are what determine how bright an AMOLED can get. Gaming already has everything else on blast, so the extra screen heat means throttling happens sooner. These devices lack fans to keep GPU heat from mixing with screen heat.
 

sweenish

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Calling people who like phones and go through them quickly a joke?

Anyway, it seems you think it's silly to like phones a lot and it's not something you really care for.

But, definition-wise: "a person who is highly interested in a particular activity or subject."

Can really include anyone, really.

Enthusiast doesn't equate to throwing money away, either. Every other enthusiast you mentioned does spend a lot on their hobby. But not constantly. It's a poor analogy.

Your elitist attitude and implicit assumption that I must not be an enthusiast because I don't constantly buy phones is stupid.

And simply throwing money at phones doesn't make you an enthusiast, either. Unless you're trying to say that I'm a gasoline enthusiast because I buy it every week. And yes, it's the good stuff.
 

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Enthusiasts constantly switch phones, at least once, if not multiple times a year. The non-enthusiast is the one that buys from a carrier with 2-year 'upgrade' cycles. Well, the typical enthusiast, anyway.

I can't afford to buy a phone multiple times a year. I still consider myself an enthusiast because I am interested in these devices and actively seek out information about them and participate in discussions like these.

I'm on more of an annual upgrade cycle. My first smartphone was the Galaxy S2, followed by the Nexus 4 and then the Nexus 5. My next phone will be the Moto X Play.
 
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Enthusiast doesn't equate to throwing money away, either. Every other enthusiast you mentioned does spend a lot on their hobby. But not constantly. It's a poor analogy.

Your elitist attitude and implicit assumption that I must not be an enthusiast because I don't constantly buy phones is stupid.

And simply throwing money at phones doesn't make you an enthusiast, either. Unless you're trying to say that I'm a gasoline enthusiast because I buy it every week. And yes, it's the good stuff.

Hobbyists put time and money into their hobby. It doesn't make sense to a lot of people because for those other people, they don't have the same level of interest in it. Your idea of throwing money away is not the same as another's idea of throwing money away. I personally think buying $300 shoes is silly because I'm not interested in them. But $300 towards a videocard, that's awesome. To me, buying a new device every year isn't a waste of money as I'm getting a better camera to take better pictures and a better antennas for better/strong reception (the addition of B12 to TMo's network). Getting these added features has value in my eyes, and I'm willing to pay to be one of the first to gain these abilities.

Thankfully, phones are a much cheaper hobby than something like being interested in sports cars or car modification or designer fashion.

You're right in that buying something doesn't make you an enthusiast if you have more money to throw around than you do interest. But it could hold that if you don't, you don't have enough enthusiasm or interest in it to put your money into it to make it a priority. I'd say you're a very astute shopper and place a high emphasis on value. So you might be a real value enthusiast. Which is really awesome, too. Hard to pass up good deals.

In a market like the smartphone arena, the phones themselves haven't reached true maturity yet. So in each generation, you're still seeing substantial improvements with every generation (it's beginning to plateau). But it's not like the PC market where upgrades see substantial improvements only every 3-4 generations (since about the Core 2 Duo generation starting in 2006). Buying habits WILL change once to a more PC-like market once these improvements become more minimal.

Enthusiast suggests that you do something normal people wouldn't do and showing interest at a level that most people don't.

Interestingly enough about gasoline, there are gas enthusiasts out there who seek out gas that contains no ethanol in it. Ethanol mixtures tend to have some odd reactions with certain engines which have high pressure fuel pumps (usually direct injection systems) that cause some odd noises. Generally, ethanol-free gasoline tends to be more expensive and rare. I guess then there might those who are only interested in the highest rated of the Top Tier gasoline with the most detergents to reduce carbon buildup?

I can't afford to buy a phone multiple times a year. I still consider myself an enthusiast because I am interested in these devices and actively seek out information about them and participate in discussions like these.

I'm on more of an annual upgrade cycle. My first smartphone was the Galaxy S2, followed by the Nexus 4 and then the Nexus 5. My next phone will be the Moto X Play.

And once a year is more typical than the normal user. Which makes it different than the other user who suggested not changing devices for 3+ years, which is changing a device out less often than the typical user who changes it around the 2 year mark (I think this % is higher among iPhone users; something like 57% of iPhone users switch every 2 years?).
 
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kpkp

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Which makes it different than the other user who suggested not changing devices for 3+ years, which is changing a device out less often than the typical user who changes it around the 2 year mark (I think this % is higher among iPhone users; something like 57% of iPhone users switch every 2 years?).
This enthusiast debate brought this thread completely off topic, the starting argument was that a user can keep a LCD display for 3+ years and don't suffer from the wear AMOLED does. This will soon become even more apparent as phones (like PCs) wont be obsolete in 2 years.

How many phones you change a year really doesn't matter.
 
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This enthusiast debate brought this thread completely off topic, the starting argument was that a user can keep a LCD display for 3+ years and don't suffer from the wear AMOLED does. This will soon become even more apparent as phones (like PCs) wont be obsolete in 2 years.

How many phones you change a year really doesn't matter.

Sorry sorry. I'll stop.
 

QueBert

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I still use CRT for my desktop and prefer IPS on my phone. With that said, I don't particularly like either IPS or AMOLED but there are no other choices on phones so...