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Amnesty International USA (290 deaths by police)

GooeyGUI

GooeyGUI

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I don't consider this to be politics or news. It's an issue that is getting out of control.

That's 3.41 persons a month!

TASER Abuse in the United States


Since June 2001, more than 290 individuals in the United States have died after being struck by police TASERs. Amnesty International is concerned that TASERs are being used as tools of routine force?rather than as weapons of last resort. Rigorous, independent, impartial study of their use and effects is urgently needed.
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Edit: People read the quote. It does not say anything about the halting the use of tasers.

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yeah and check how many lived...now imagine we don't use tasers before we use guns and what would those numbers be

and what really gets me angry is people saying that they can be physically incapacitated by a officer or talked down...yes that can happen but would you be willing to try to take an unruly person yourself

If officers arrive to an person flipping out, screaming and yelling they will have very little knowledge if that person is armed...now they may not be armed but if you were the cop would you feel that your life worth that risk

this is whats wrong with the world...we pay people to protect the peace with their lives and then demand they put it even more at risk...yes tasers have been used in situations where they were not needed, but I am willing to bet 98% of the time it is justified and is used to protect not only the lives of the officer but the lives of the tasee and the innocent people who may be around

this just makes me so angry...instead of criticizing the people and weapons that protect us on a daily basis why cant we be appreciative of the people who risk their life every day to make the world a little safer for us

at least that is my opinion
 
Originally posted by: GooeyGUI

I don't consider this to be politics or news. It's an issue that is getting out of control.

That's 3.41 persons a month!

TASER Abuse in the United States


Since June 2001, more than 290 individuals in the United States have died after being struck by police TASERs. Amnesty International is concerned that TASERs are being used as tools of routine force?rather than as weapons of last resort. Rigorous, independent, impartial study of their use and effects is urgently needed.
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Uh...firearms are weapons of last resort. Tasers are a lesser level of force than batons..
 
check how many of those 290 were high out of their mind crack/heroine/etc heads.

As surprising as it may be, you can't talk down a crazy person from being crazy. If it wasn't tasers it would be fists and batons.
 
And 186 cops died in the line of duty last year, that's 15 per month! 69 were shootings - that's 5.75 per month.

We see taser videos on this board all the time. In nearly every case, even the cases where I agree that the taser shouldn't have been used, the victim is warned repeatedly before the taser is used.
 
Seems like the OP has a problem with Police using tazers too frequently. Perhaps he would have liked to grow up where I did where it was not uncommon for a cop to have never drawn his revolver, other than at the range but, his weighted nightstick never was put in the holster. Ever seen someone worked over with a weighted nightstick? I'm telling you, it will make you puke.

Bottom line, police are NOT more brutal or willing to use tazers now then other weapons in the past. Are there power hungry assholes on the force? Guaranteed. Do tazers make it easier for cops to remove themselves from confrontation? Yup. Perhaps you'd like stunguns mounted on the old nightstick? I get a lump in my throat just thinking about it. By and large cops do a pretty good job at keeping the lid on and having experienced what a nightstick can do, all I can say is "Taze me bro!"
 
I totally support tasers as a form of non-lethal (usually) counter to violence. If there is a likelihood of injury to someone, then sure, use the taser (the fewest times possible...once or twice is the maximum ever). If you can't get physical control by then, something is SERIOUSLY wrong. If the violence being faced is lethal than in most instances I'd rather they responded with lethal, but I can see times where a taser would be preferable to a firearm.

I totally oppose tasers as a form of forceful coercion. The police do not have a right to force you to do anything. They have a right to arrest you IF, and ONLY IF, you are breaking the law. You do not have to cooperate in that process however, though neither can you actively resist. Passive resistance is completely acceptable however.

I say that having worked for a decade in a job that often required me to do the same things a police officer does...sometimes as many as 200+ restraints/fights/arrests a year.
 
The police do not have a right to force you to do anything.
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Apparently you've never heard of involuntary admissions to mental health facilities...protective custody...etc? 😉
 
Even when it was done knowing the guy had a head injury and was breaking no law?

This guy was tasered 3 times to kill a 59 year old man.

http://www2.ljworld.com/news/2...aser_lawrence_man_thr/

I think people have missed the point I was trying to make. It's the position of Amnesty International that I'm taking. The tasers could be made safer through further development.r.

TASER Abuse in the United States


Since June 2001, more than 290 individuals in the United States have died after being struck by police TASERs. Amnesty International is concerned that TASERs are being used as tools of routine force?rather than as weapons of last resort. Rigorous, independent, impartial study of their use and effects is urgently needed.
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Originally posted by: GooeyGUI
Even when it was done knowing the guy had a head injury and was breaking no law?

This guy was tasered 3 times to kill a 59 year old man.

http://www2.ljworld.com/news/2...aser_lawrence_man_thr/

I think people have missed the point I was trying to make. It's the position of Amnesty International that I'm taking. The tasers could be made safer through further development.r.

TASER Abuse in the United States


Since June 2001, more than 290 individuals in the United States have died after being struck by police TASERs. Amnesty International is concerned that TASERs are being used as tools of routine force?rather than as weapons of last resort. Rigorous, independent, impartial study of their use and effects is urgently needed.
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So every time someone dies after they've been Tased, it's the Taser's fault?

Read this.
 
Originally posted by: JLee
Originally posted by: GooeyGUI
Even when it was done knowing the guy had a head injury and was breaking no law?

This guy was tasered 3 times to kill a 59 year old man.

http://www2.ljworld.com/news/2...aser_lawrence_man_thr/

I think people have missed the point I was trying to make. It's the position of Amnesty International that I'm taking. The tasers could be made safer through further development.r.

TASER Abuse in the United States


Since June 2001, more than 290 individuals in the United States have died after being struck by police TASERs. Amnesty International is concerned that TASERs are being used as tools of routine force?rather than as weapons of last resort. Rigorous, independent, impartial study of their use and effects is urgently needed.
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So every time someone dies after they've been Tased, it's the Taser's fault?

Read this.
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If everybody thinks that this is about blame or fault I can't believe it. This is a technology site and this a proposition to investigate further development to meet with a better outcome where possible.

Is that asking so much?

 
Originally posted by: GooeyGUI
Originally posted by: JLee
Originally posted by: GooeyGUI
Even when it was done knowing the guy had a head injury and was breaking no law?

This guy was tasered 3 times to kill a 59 year old man.

http://www2.ljworld.com/news/2...aser_lawrence_man_thr/

I think people have missed the point I was trying to make. It's the position of Amnesty International that I'm taking. The tasers could be made safer through further development.r.

TASER Abuse in the United States


Since June 2001, more than 290 individuals in the United States have died after being struck by police TASERs. Amnesty International is concerned that TASERs are being used as tools of routine force?rather than as weapons of last resort. Rigorous, independent, impartial study of their use and effects is urgently needed.
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So every time someone dies after they've been Tased, it's the Taser's fault?

Read this.
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If everybody thinks that this is about blame or fault I can't believe it. This is a technology site and this a proposition to investigate further development to meet with a better outcome where possible.

Is that asking so much?
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ATOT isn't going to investigate further development, and neither is Amnesty International. They're the most anti-Taser group I've ever seen- this is calling for a study on their use and effects, not for further development.

Taser's website lists many studies done by other organizations- feel free to look them up. I'm quite sure I've actually posted the link in at least one other Taser thread.
 
Originally posted by: JLee
Originally posted by: GooeyGUI
Originally posted by: JLee
Originally posted by: GooeyGUI
Even when it was done knowing the guy had a head injury and was breaking no law?

This guy was tasered 3 times to kill a 59 year old man.

http://www2.ljworld.com/news/2...aser_lawrence_man_thr/

I think people have missed the point I was trying to make. It's the position of Amnesty International that I'm taking. The tasers could be made safer through further development.r.

TASER Abuse in the United States


Since June 2001, more than 290 individuals in the United States have died after being struck by police TASERs. Amnesty International is concerned that TASERs are being used as tools of routine force?rather than as weapons of last resort. Rigorous, independent, impartial study of their use and effects is urgently needed.
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So every time someone dies after they've been Tased, it's the Taser's fault?

Read this.
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If everybody thinks that this is about blame or fault I can't believe it. This is a technology site and this a proposition to investigate further development to meet with a better outcome where possible.

Is that asking so much?
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ATOT isn't going to investigate further development, and neither is Amnesty International. They're the most anti-Taser group I've ever seen- this is calling for a study on their use and effects, not for further development.

Taser's website lists many studies done by other organizations- feel free to look them up. I'm quite sure I've actually posted the link in at least one other Taser thread.
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Development can be the advancement of a knowledge base of susceptible patterns that a person may have. medical condition + older + combative = stun x seconds and x times with minimum death risk.

Even radiation studies have taken decades to field the biological assessment of it's effects. Tasers have been around for less than a single decade.



Is this really hard to accept?.
 
..Amnesty International is a sham og.propped up by liberals..secular progressives and one world accomplices who routinely engage in alarmist speculation. For gawd sakes it's all in their name.
 
Originally posted by: Flatscan
Originally posted by: GooeyGUI
Even when it was done knowing the guy had a head injury and was breaking no law?

This guy was tasered 3 times to kill a 59 year old man.

http://www2.ljworld.com/news/2...aser_lawrence_man_thr/
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How did you find that article without also finding the follow-up? Both the Taser and the deputies were exonerated: Topeka Capital-Journal: D.A.: No charges in tasing, 6/4.

Previous thread regarding specific incident: Man's death not caused by Taser
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Haake's medical problems "increased the chance of death" from complications of torso compression, Mitchell said.

So his diabetes and heart weren't affected by these stuns. Following the whole episode with a cuffing was only part of what happened. It might have been a determination based on a logical assumption that if nothing is known for sure, about the contributing effects here, then avoid that determination altogether.

I doubt there is a very large knowledge base for determining the joint contributing factors on diabetics with heart conditions being cuffed with compression.
 
Originally posted by: GooeyGUI

I don't consider this to be politics or news. It's an issue that is getting out of control.

That's 3.41 persons a month!

TASER Abuse in the United States


Since June 2001, more than 290 individuals in the United States have died after being struck by police TASERs. Amnesty International is concerned that TASERs are being used as tools of routine force?rather than as weapons of last resort. Rigorous, independent, impartial study of their use and effects is urgently needed.
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Edit: People read the quote. It does not say anything about the halting the use of tasers.
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..most of these guys were on the way to the slab anyway.

 
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