Amish have such cool toys

[DrPizza]

Please don't talk about shit you clearly don't know anything about. I knew plenty of amish growing up that did have the latest and greatest hand held games and things like that. There's also plenty of them that are nothing but a bunch of hypocritical jackasses. Which even a bunch of jerked overs would admit to.

They're just like anybody else.

You apparently don't know the difference between Amish and Mennonites.

 

[Markbnj]

No, I'm going to maintain that the machine is pretty beautiful in its simplicity. The steel is fed into the machine where it goes between two sets of rollers; there's a simple screw to get the steel lined up perfectly between the two sides. A single chain around a dozen or so axles keeps them all in synch. As the steel slides down, those rollers first start putting the center ridge on the piece of steel. As it progresses to more axles, there are more and more sets of rollers (one top, one bottom) that presses the steel into shape. When it gets to the end, the Amish guy simply puts his tape measure on it - when it hits the correct length, he pulls a big lever that shears off the entire piece in one loud cut. I'll used the wrong word, but it's like extruding the roofing - just cut it at the right place. At one point, he slowed it down, and by eyeball, stopped it when the next to last piece of steel was sticking out about a foot. He went back to the roll of steel end of the machine, pulled a lever, and cut the steel there. When my last piece was cut, he had about 3/4" of scrap left.

Again though, for what it's worth, I was looking for a video of making steel roofing. Each of the videos I found had incredibly complicated computer operated machinery, and a greatly automated process. Here, one person operated more or less the guts of a big manufacturing operation with no automation. A fairly simple hoist to transport large rolls the length of the building. The hoist was on a steel I-beam. But, all the support for that I-beam was wooden posts. Big wooden posts. Under the end of the I-beam, was a cart on 2 short railroad tracks. The bed of the cart was rounded & could be pumped up or down so that the center of the roll lined up with the spindle on the main machine. Once the steel was rolled into place, a BIG wrench (3 feet long) was used to expand the spindle to hold the roll of steel. 10 feet or so was unwound, and fed into the beginning of the machine. A bolt was turned to push the steel into perfect alignment; I'd estimate to 1/64" precision, judging by the finished product. 5 minutes later, I had my roof.

You should pay him another visit. This would make a great video.

 

[DrPizza]

You should pay him another visit. This would make a great video.

I'll have to ask him next time. We had a bad section of roofing on our house, it resulted in some leaking by a skylight. There were 4 complete layers of roofing on the house - over 1" thick of asphalt shingles. A lot of the shingles were curling really bad over the garage and sunroom - I didn't want more problems, especially during the winter with snow on the roof. So, I replaced about 1000 square feet of roof with new shingles during the fall. My wife liked the look of those shingles and wanted me to finish the rest of the house with them this Spring. Nope - though I might let it ride for a year or two, since the rest of the roof is in good shape, within 5 years, I'll redo the entire roof of our house with steel. It's so much cheaper, and though the steel has a 40 year warranty, will likely last 50 or more years without ever leaking.

 

[Bird222]

Can they make me a leather gun belt?

 

[Grooveriding]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Wo_VSc9iyc

 

[Gillbot]

No, I'm going to maintain that the machine is pretty beautiful in its simplicity. The steel is fed into the machine where it goes between two sets of rollers; there's a simple screw to get the steel lined up perfectly between the two sides. A single chain around a dozen or so axles keeps them all in synch. As the steel slides down, those rollers first start putting the center ridge on the piece of steel. As it progresses to more axles, there are more and more sets of rollers (one top, one bottom) that presses the steel into shape. When it gets to the end, the Amish guy simply puts his tape measure on it - when it hits the correct length, he pulls a big lever that shears off the entire piece in one loud cut. I'll used the wrong word, but it's like extruding the roofing - just cut it at the right place. At one point, he slowed it down, and by eyeball, stopped it when the next to last piece of steel was sticking out about a foot. He went back to the roll of steel end of the machine, pulled a lever, and cut the steel there. When my last piece was cut, he had about 3/4" of scrap left.

Again though, for what it's worth, I was looking for a video of making steel roofing. Each of the videos I found had incredibly complicated computer operated machinery, and a greatly automated process. Here, one person operated more or less the guts of a big manufacturing operation with no automation. A fairly simple hoist to transport large rolls the length of the building. The hoist was on a steel I-beam. But, all the support for that I-beam was wooden posts. Big wooden posts. Under the end of the I-beam, was a cart on 2 short railroad tracks. The bed of the cart was rounded & could be pumped up or down so that the center of the roll lined up with the spindle on the main machine. Once the steel was rolled into place, a BIG wrench (3 feet long) was used to expand the spindle to hold the roll of steel. 10 feet or so was unwound, and fed into the beginning of the machine. A bolt was turned to push the steel into perfect alignment; I'd estimate to 1/64" precision, judging by the finished product. 5 minutes later, I had my roof.

Is is what America used to be. We made everything and nothing stood in the way of getting something done. We made it work or figured out how to make it work.

 

[shabby]

Im getting my dining table made right now by some amish folks, no way of reaching them since that town only has 1 fax machine to take orders. The table will have a live edge and will be cheaper than a veneer table from a local store that was most likely made in china.

 

[DigDog]

i feel attracted to their basic lifestyle yet repulsed by the god element

 

[brianmanahan]

In the times I've been through northern Indiana, I've seen Amish people driving cars. :hmm:

those are mennonite, not amish

 

[brianmanahan]

i feel attracted to their basic lifestyle yet repulsed by the god element

i never really like their dog element... so many puppy mills

they made good leather halters for my steers though. and grow good fruit.

half of the ladies have beards/mustaches, which is disconcerting

and one time when i visited them, one of the kinder stared at me for 45 minutes straight without blinking

 

[Carson Dyle]

No, I'm going to maintain that the machine is pretty beautiful in its simplicity.

I would agree.

The steel is fed into the machine where it goes between two sets of rollers; there's a simple screw to get the steel lined up perfectly between the two sides. A single chain around a dozen or so axles keeps them all in synch. As the steel slides down, those rollers first start putting the center ridge on the piece of steel. As it progresses to more axles, there are more and more sets of rollers (one top, one bottom) that presses the steel into shape. When it gets to the end, the Amish guy simply puts his tape measure on it - when it hits the correct length, he pulls a big lever that shears off the entire piece in one loud cut. I'll used the wrong word, but it's like extruding the roofing - just cut it at the right place. At one point, he slowed it down, and by eyeball, stopped it when the next to last piece of steel was sticking out about a foot. He went back to the roll of steel end of the machine, pulled a lever, and cut the steel there. When my last piece was cut, he had about 3/4" of scrap left.

There's probably much more skill involved in operating that simple machine than you could ever realize, without actually trying it yourself.

Again though, for what it's worth, I was looking for a video of making steel roofing. Each of the videos I found had incredibly complicated computer operated machinery, and a greatly automated process.

Which shouldn't come as any surprise. Where automation can be employed to the process and machinery to increase efficiency, it probably has been. And I'd venture that no matter how complex that machine seemed to you, it could probably be automated further if the returns on the investment warranted it.

I'm betting most office moles today have never even set foot in a heavy industry manufacturing plant (there are few left in the US). But much of the technology is from the 40s and 50s, with some tech such as sensors, computer controls or automated material handling grafted on. I think most people would be surprised at the scale and the simplicity of the machinery.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Please don't talk about shit you clearly don't know anything about. I knew plenty of amish growing up that did have the latest and greatest hand held games and things like that. There's also plenty of them that are nothing but a bunch of hypocritical jackasses. Which even a bunch of jerked overs would admit to.

They're just like anybody else.

I grew up in PA fairly close to a huge population of Amish. Horse and buggy. I live not all that far from Doc Pizza. Horse and buggy. Now I know Mennonites as you describe, and have heard of Amish gangs.

Where I live and lived? Don't talk shit about that which you know nothing about.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

You should pay him another visit. This would make a great video.

It's considered very rude to take pictures or videos of the Amish. I would not even ask.

Here's more about a topic I obviously know nothing about

 

[HeXen]

Which they have no interest in, but in many cases their simple techniques produce a superior product for less than your Li-ion batteries. They also have their societal weaknesses but are far superior in other ways. They aren't consumed by having the latest and greatest. They aren't sponges soaking up debt they can never afford to pay off. They have an enviable work ethic and sense of community. Your house burns down and tough shit. Never would be a problem for the Amish or their kin the Mennonites. Do you know that a number of the latter (who will use more technology than the Amish) go quietly around the country to help rebuild after tragedy? My mother benefited directly. She was living in a FEMA trailer in poor health after a tornado. Somehow the Mennonites found out and she and a large portion of the town benefited. They clear the property at no cost. They built her a new home for the price of materials that they were able to purchase tax free and at a discount. She paid nothing for labor. Not one cent. She obtained a mortgage with little income at a bargain rate because the amount borrowed was small compared to the market value of the house. This is a part of the Mennonites mission on earth, part of the good they feel they should do (and no they don't thing they'll be damned to hell if they weren't to do it) and their organization pays for everything else out of its own pocket.

So how many semiconductors would it require to do this?

The mennonites I encounter on construction jobs do nothing for free. Can't even get the jackwads to move their crap out of our way so we can do our job...they're as bad as the union guys around here. Everyone else is more than willing to help work around each other but not the unions or Mennonites. Now the Amish guys..they won't even speak or look at you when spoken to but makes sense since I can't understand their Dutch accent anyway or whatever accent it is.
After 19 yrs doing this kind of work, the easiest people to get along with on the jobs are the mexicans...IF they speak english.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

The mennonites I encounter on construction jobs do nothing for free. Can't even get the jackwads to move their crap out of our way so we can do our job...they're as bad as the union guys around here. Everyone else is more than willing to help work around each other but not the unions or Mennonites. Now the Amish guys..they won't even speak or look at you when spoken to but makes sense since I can't understand their Dutch accent anyway or whatever accent it is.
After 19 yrs doing this kind of work, the easiest people to get along with on the jobs are the mexicans...IF they speak english.

The only thing they had not done is pour the foundation. How would you have worked with a group like that?

 

[BUTCH1]

I'll have to ask him next time. We had a bad section of roofing on our house, it resulted in some leaking by a skylight. There were 4 complete layers of roofing on the house - over 1" thick of asphalt shingles. A lot of the shingles were curling really bad over the garage and sunroom - I didn't want more problems, especially during the winter with snow on the roof. So, I replaced about 1000 square feet of roof with new shingles during the fall. My wife liked the look of those shingles and wanted me to finish the rest of the house with them this Spring. Nope - though I might let it ride for a year or two, since the rest of the roof is in good shape, within 5 years, I'll redo the entire roof of our house with steel. It's so much cheaper, and though the steel has a 40 year warranty, will likely last 50 or more years without ever leaking.

Is the steel used galvanized or zinc-dipped to help withstand corrosion or is the end-user expected to prime and apply an appropriate paint/coating?.

 

[cardiac]

I have a summer place over in LaGrange County, Indiana (Is that the county, Monggrel?), and got to know a man and his wife very well. He is a cabinet maker for a very high-end RV motorcoach manufacturer. This area around Elkhart/Shipshewannan is the RV capital of the US. His work is second to none. They are extremely polite, and do live the old world lifestyle. There are some bratty kids in the area, but for the most part, the adults do follow the traditions....

 

[DrPizza]

Is the steel used galvanized or zinc-dipped to help withstand corrosion or is the end-user expected to prime and apply an appropriate paint/coating?.

The steel is painted on both sides. Top with the roof color, bottom with white; very well applied. I presume some sort of zinc protection. Bottom is stamped "US Steel 40 year warranty"