Ames Straw Poll Will Catapult Ron Paul into the national spotlight

[Rainsford]

Originally posted by: Mxylplyx

Originally posted by: Rainsford

Originally posted by: Mxylplyx
I have nothing against Ron Paul, but it seems as if he as an army of people creating a bunch of fake hype on the Internet. They seem to believe if they flood every social site on the internet with claims that Ron Paul has alot of support, it will materialize into alot of support. Probably the only thing you can do if the 4th branch of government, the media, ignores you.

It's not fake hype, Ron Paul DOES have a lot of support...on the Internet. For some reason people seem to be under the impression that the Internet is (or should be) representative of the general views of the population at large, when looking at the demographics for 5 seconds tells you that's not true. With the exception of political sites set up with one particular viewpoint in mind, folks on the Internet DO tend to line up with a lot of Ron Paul's views in a way that the general population does not.

Alot of support "On the Internet" has some caveats. If I had the desire and the time, I alone could generate what might look like alot of support. A single person can be very vocal and very noticed on the Internet if they are creative enough, but that still represents only one vote at the ballot box

That's true, and certainly fake hype on the Internet is a problem...but I think in this case Ron Paul really does have a lot of the support he appears to have. But as you've suggested, that does not mean that translates into a lot of support at the ballot box. Part of the problem is that the number of vocal people on the Internet is actually fairly small, even if ALL of them support Ron Paul, he's going to get creamed in the general election.

 

[Hacp]

If he wins the Repub Primary, Dems are going to win the Presidency, unless Gavel is somehow the Nominee. I can imagine it now.

Comercial:
Ron Paul Soundbite: I am against the Civil War.

Ron Paul Soundbite: I am against the Civil War.

Ron Paul Soundbite: I am against the Civil War.

(Deep Voice)He was against the civil war.
Background of Marthin Luther King, T. Marshall, and Micheal Jordan

 

[ProfJohn]

It's Howard Dean all over again, although Dean got more coverage from the media.

But once the real voting counted Dean died real fast.

BTW is this one of those polls where they bus people in from all over the country to vote?

 

[HeXploiT]

Originally posted by: Hacp
If he wins the Repub Primary, Dems are going to win the Presidency, unless Gavel is somehow the Nominee. I can imagine it now.

Comercial:
Ron Paul Soundbite: I am against the Civil War.

Ron Paul Soundbite: I am against the Civil War.

Ron Paul Soundbite: I am against the Civil War.

(Deep Voice)He was against the civil war.
Background of Marthin Luther King, T. Marshall, and Micheal Jordan

Yes and no. Yes Ron doesn't always think about what he's saying but his heart is in the right place. Remember that he has also called slavery the worst offense against the freedom of any people America has ever seen.
Maybe he would have been against the Civil war but there is no such thing as one leader for all times. Lincoln was the right man for the civil war, Truman was the right man to be in control of the first nuclear weapon and Paul is the right man to give us back our inalienable rights.

 

[Hacp]

Originally posted by: Perry404

Originally posted by: Hacp
If he wins the Repub Primary, Dems are going to win the Presidency, unless Gavel is somehow the Nominee. I can imagine it now.

Comercial:
Ron Paul Soundbite: I am against the Civil War.

Ron Paul Soundbite: I am against the Civil War.

Ron Paul Soundbite: I am against the Civil War.

(Deep Voice)He was against the civil war.
Background of Marthin Luther King, T. Marshall, and Micheal Jordan

Yes and no. Yes Ron doesn't always think about what he's saying but his heart is in the right place. Remember that he has also called slavery the worst offense against the freedom of any people America has ever seen.
Maybe he would have been against the Civil war but there is no such thing as one leader for all times. Lincoln was the right man for the civil war, Truman was the right man to be in control of the first nuclear weapon and Paul is the right man to give us back our inalienable rights.

I know Ron Paul's position. It isn't going to change the soundbite. Just like Kerry and Dean, one small soundbite can ruin your changes of getting elected, and Paul's soundbite isn't small, I can tell you that.

 

[JEDIYoda]

Originally posted by: dullard
Should we have a P&N straw poll on this straw poll?

I'll give him the benefit of the doubt and say he'll get 2.5% of the vote. Although, likely it'll be far less. What do the rest think?

Ron who??????

 

[JEDIYoda]

Originally posted by: dullard

Originally posted by: Perry404
First off no scientific polls do not vary by ~2%. Many of these very by 20%.

I intened to say that the scientific polls generally have him at ~2% support. Not that the polls have a 2% variance. Sorry if I said that in a confusing way.

As Alchimize pointd out---

Ron Paul supporters are also excited about every 911coverup.com and evilfederalreserve.org website updates, which is why he has no chance.

Of course you may say you don`t notic ron paul supporters flooding internet sites with support....just like you probably believe these sites are credible--911coverup.com and evilfederalreserve.org.....

Right now anytype of vote for Ron what`s his name is a totally wasted vote...IMO!!

 

[Whoozyerdaddy]

Originally posted by: Perry404

Originally posted by: dullard

Originally posted by: Perry404
i have yet to see any evidence that all these Ron Paul supporters are running around on the internet looking for polls to skew.

Do you want to see evidence? Or will you ignore this post?

1) Online poll results right after NH debate: Ron Paul got 67-69% on the important questions.
vs.
2) Scientific poll results right after the NH debate: Ron Paul got <0.5% - 3% on the questions.

How can you possibly explain the difference? One poll is fairly accurate and scientific putting him near 3% support. The other poll is easy to manipulate and unscientific and has him at nearly 70%. Isn't the reasonable conclusion that there are people running around the internet skewing polls? Or do you have a good argument as to why else they differ?

The only thing that that proves is that polls very greatly. :laugh: Evidence that polls are being skewed is exactly that, evidence. You know like a list of repetitive ip addresses voting, recorded conversations of people scheming or fessing up to this type of behavior. To believe this is a conspiracy by thousands of Ron Paul supporters is a little silly don't you think?

I think its time for my own tinfoil hat.

Will i shut up if he wins less than 20%? Hell no as that's a huge number in national terms. If he's less than 5% then yes i'll shut up.

Yes Ron Paul is still somewhat uknown yet his support is growing exponentially unlike all other candidates.
Remember, in 1975 Jimmy Carter rang in at 1% in national polls.

Denial is not a river in Egypt.

 

[JEDIYoda]

Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy

Originally posted by: Perry404

Originally posted by: dullard

Originally posted by: Perry404
i have yet to see any evidence that all these Ron Paul supporters are running around on the internet looking for polls to skew.

Do you want to see evidence? Or will you ignore this post?

1) Online poll results right after NH debate: Ron Paul got 67-69% on the important questions.
vs.
2) Scientific poll results right after the NH debate: Ron Paul got <0.5% - 3% on the questions.

How can you possibly explain the difference? One poll is fairly accurate and scientific putting him near 3% support. The other poll is easy to manipulate and unscientific and has him at nearly 70%. Isn't the reasonable conclusion that there are people running around the internet skewing polls? Or do you have a good argument as to why else they differ?

The only thing that that proves is that polls very greatly. :laugh: Evidence that polls are being skewed is exactly that, evidence. You know like a list of repetitive ip addresses voting, recorded conversations of people scheming or fessing up to this type of behavior. To believe this is a conspiracy by thousands of Ron Paul supporters is a little silly don't you think?

I think its time for my own tinfoil hat.

Will i shut up if he wins less than 20%? Hell no as that's a huge number in national terms. If he's less than 5% then yes i'll shut up.

Yes Ron Paul is still somewhat uknown yet his support is growing exponentially unlike all other candidates.
Remember, in 1975 Jimmy Carter rang in at 1% in national polls.

Denial is not a river in Egypt.

###cute####

 

[HeXploiT]

Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy

Originally posted by: Perry404

Originally posted by: dullard

Originally posted by: Perry404
i have yet to see any evidence that all these Ron Paul supporters are running around on the internet looking for polls to skew.

Do you want to see evidence? Or will you ignore this post?

1) Online poll results right after NH debate: Ron Paul got 67-69% on the important questions.
vs.
2) Scientific poll results right after the NH debate: Ron Paul got <0.5% - 3% on the questions.

How can you possibly explain the difference? One poll is fairly accurate and scientific putting him near 3% support. The other poll is easy to manipulate and unscientific and has him at nearly 70%. Isn't the reasonable conclusion that there are people running around the internet skewing polls? Or do you have a good argument as to why else they differ?

The only thing that that proves is that polls very greatly. :laugh: Evidence that polls are being skewed is exactly that, evidence. You know like a list of repetitive ip addresses voting, recorded conversations of people scheming or fessing up to this type of behavior. To believe this is a conspiracy by thousands of Ron Paul supporters is a little silly don't you think?

I think its time for my own tinfoil hat.

Will i shut up if he wins less than 20%? Hell no as that's a huge number in national terms. If he's less than 5% then yes i'll shut up.

Yes Ron Paul is still somewhat uknown yet his support is growing exponentially unlike all other candidates.
Remember, in 1975 Jimmy Carter rang in at 1% in national polls.

Denial is not a river in Egypt.

Hope springs eternal.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

:laugh:

The GOP straw poll is going to be worthless this time around. Sorry, but when some of the "appointed" front runners bail on the straw poll then how can it represent anything?

Romney will win the straw poll. He's got a good crew here in Iowa and it would have taken a push from Fred Thompson for him to lose it. But Fred chose not to get into the race yet. I'll probably go and pull for Tancredo. Yeah, he's got no chance and pretty much a one issue candidate but since the poll is pretty meaningless we might as well give that issue a push.

BTW, does anyone else find RP supports a bit 'in your face' when you meet them on the street? We had a parade last weekend(Tancredo was the only one who showed up to it) but the RP people were out - all 6 of them. Boy were they annoying. Putting stickers on my chair(without me knowing) and making all sorts of distracting noise. Here is a hint - next time get a spot in the parade like the other campaigns did. Sheesh.

 

[alchemize]

Welcome back CAD!

Today's Ron Paul supporters are yesterdays Nader supporters...I wish them well, but I wouldn't bet on them.

 

[ScottMac]

Yeah, the Straw Poll might rocket him up to seventh or eighth place ...almost daylight!

Good Luck to him and all the others, I don't like most of them, but they are working their asses off. That's more than you can say for the other Beltway Bozos in Congress.

 

[IEC]

Originally posted by: Mxylplyx
I have nothing against Ron Paul, but it seems as if he as an army of people creating a bunch of fake hype on the Internet. They seem to believe if they flood every social site on the internet with claims that Ron Paul has alot of support, it will materialize into alot of support. Probably the only thing you can do if the 4th branch of government, the media, ignores you.

There isn't any fake hype. Hell, it isn't hype. The man is legit, and as legit a politician mine eyes have never seen. Popular with younger people? Certainly, perhaps second after Obama or third after Hillary. Popular with older folks? Not so much yet, because most have never heard of him. IMO if he does well in the Ames straw poll and the media stops ignoring him, Ron Paul will be a force to be reckoned with. Do I agree with him 100%? No, but I sure as hell agree more with him than with the career-politician-type candidate.

 

[IEC]

Originally posted by: JEDIYoda

Originally posted by: dullard

Originally posted by: Perry404
First off no scientific polls do not vary by ~2%. Many of these very by 20%.

I intened to say that the scientific polls generally have him at ~2% support. Not that the polls have a 2% variance. Sorry if I said that in a confusing way.

As Alchimize pointd out---

Ron Paul supporters are also excited about every 911coverup.com and evilfederalreserve.org website updates, which is why he has no chance.

Of course you may say you don`t notic ron paul supporters flooding internet sites with support....just like you probably believe these sites are credible--911coverup.com and evilfederalreserve.org.....

Right now anytype of vote for Ron what`s his name is a totally wasted vote...IMO!!

Au contraire, impostor Jedi. A vote for career politicians who don't give a flip about the average American would be the REAL wasted vote. Nothing will change. We'll still get screwed over by the government and its policies.

The only way to enact true change is to vote for principled, conscientious candidates like Ron Paul who can restore our government and once again make it a government for the people.

 

[JEDIYoda]

Originally posted by: Spartan Niner

Originally posted by: JEDIYoda

Originally posted by: dullard

Originally posted by: Perry404
First off no scientific polls do not vary by ~2%. Many of these very by 20%.

I intened to say that the scientific polls generally have him at ~2% support. Not that the polls have a 2% variance. Sorry if I said that in a confusing way.

As Alchimize pointd out---

Ron Paul supporters are also excited about every 911coverup.com and evilfederalreserve.org website updates, which is why he has no chance.

Of course you may say you don`t notic ron paul supporters flooding internet sites with support....just like you probably believe these sites are credible--911coverup.com and evilfederalreserve.org.....

Right now anytype of vote for Ron what`s his name is a totally wasted vote...IMO!!

Au contraire, impostor Jedi. A vote for career politicians who don't give a flip about the average American would be the REAL wasted vote. Nothing will change. We'll still get screwed over by the government and its policies.

The only way to enact true change is to vote for principled, conscientious candidates like Ron Paul who can restore our government and once again make it a government for the people.

Imposter...rofl....
You got that wrong...RP is the imposter...

 

[Hacp]

Its like Nader. You vote for Nader, a right wing conspiracist wins, and we all lose. We won't be able to get away from the two party system unless we change how congress and the presidency is elected.

 

[SirStev0]

I heartly enjoy that everyone who is against Ron Paul is only so because they don't think he can win...
Maybe... just Maybe... if you would have a little faith and support him because you agree with him and feel that what he believes in will help this country and the impressive fall from grace we are currently experiencing... HE MAY JUST FUCKEN WIN.

Remember that Ross Perot was only a few months away from a very close run for the white house when he gave up. We really don't need to live in a two party system... we just choose to...

why can't we just give Ron Paul a chance?

 

[Whoozyerdaddy]

Originally posted by: SirStev0
I heartly enjoy that everyone who is against Ron Paul is only so because they don't think he can win...
Maybe... just Maybe... if you would have a little faith and support him because you agree with him and feel that what he believes in will help this country and the impressive fall from grace we are currently experiencing... HE MAY JUST FUCKEN WIN.

Remember that Ross Perot was only a few months away from a very close run for the white house when he gave up. We really don't need to live in a two party system... we just choose to...

why can't we just give Ron Paul a chance?

I've been pretty clear that I think the guy is an absolute kook (to say nothing of the people who are supporting him by spamming message boards and manipulating on-line polls)

I don't know where the thread is now, but the guy has openly advocated allowing people to carry guns onto airplanes. He thinks the CIA needs to go away. He may have some financial insight that is beyond the average candidate and I DO like his financial policies... but other than that the guy is a complete nut.

I like Bill Richardson even though I don't think he has a chance to win. I like Newt even though I don't think he has a chance to win. That's not why I don't like RP. I don't like RP because I think his supporters are zealots and he's a kook.

 

[HeXploiT]

Originally posted by: SirStev0
I heartly enjoy that everyone who is against Ron Paul is only so because they don't think he can win...
Maybe... just Maybe... if you would have a little faith and support him because you agree with him and feel that what he believes in will help this country and the impressive fall from grace we are currently experiencing... HE MAY JUST FUCKEN WIN.

Remember that Ross Perot was only a few months away from a very close run for the white house when he gave up. We really don't need to live in a two party system... we just choose to...

why can't we just give Ron Paul a chance?

This is EXACTLY why the Ames straw poll is so important imho.
Debating how important straw polls are is not the issue. The fact is that the winners of this poll will be thrust into the national spotlight. I believe this is when Americns will start giving the man a chance.

Whoozyerdaddy---as far as paul advocating being allowed to bring guns on an airplane...yes a bad idea maybe but it's a storm in a teacup.
His election hopes aren't going to be dashed from that one poor idea.

 

[SirStev0]

Just personal opinion... I would would be completely for dissolving of the CIA... Freedom of Information has proven time and time again that the CIA is the most corrupt, evil, anti-freedom, and outright horrible part of the American Government.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: Perry404

Originally posted by: SirStev0
I heartly enjoy that everyone who is against Ron Paul is only so because they don't think he can win...
Maybe... just Maybe... if you would have a little faith and support him because you agree with him and feel that what he believes in will help this country and the impressive fall from grace we are currently experiencing... HE MAY JUST FUCKEN WIN.

Remember that Ross Perot was only a few months away from a very close run for the white house when he gave up. We really don't need to live in a two party system... we just choose to...

why can't we just give Ron Paul a chance?

This is EXACTLY why the Ames straw poll is so important imho.
Debating how important straw polls are is not the issue. The fact is that the winners of this poll will be thrust into the national spotlight. I believe this is when Americns will start giving the man a chance.

Whoozyerdaddy---as far as paul advocating being allowed to bring guns on an airplane...yes a bad idea maybe but it's a storm in a teacup.
His election hopes aren't going to be dashed from that one poor idea.

Actually, debating how important they are is a big issue. Just because someone wins one or "does well"(no matter how subjective that is ) doesn't mean they deserve more attention.

Oh, and Ross Perot stood a chance because he wasn't as big of a nut as RP. He was a bit kooky but 1/100th the nut RP is. I, like Whoozyerdaddy, don't care if he's electable or not - that's not the reason I dislike him.

 

[HeXploiT]

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY


Actually, debating how important they are is a big issue. Just because someone wins one or "does well"(no matter how subjective that is ) doesn't mean they deserve more attention.

Ok the precise part of the point I'm trying to make is that if Paul wins the poll abc, nbc, cbs fox, the Washington post, la times, Chicago tribune & ny times will all be arguing whether or not the poll means anything for Ron Paul. Therefor they will all be bringing up the subject of Ron Paul and the mass public will be forced to learn about him.

Whether or not the poll itself is important is secondary imho. (Atleast for Ron Paul)

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: Perry404

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY


Actually, debating how important they are is a big issue. Just because someone wins one or "does well"(no matter how subjective that is ) doesn't mean they deserve more attention.

Ok the precise part of the point I'm trying to make is that if Paul wins the poll abc, nbc, cbs fox, the Washington post, la times, Chicago tribune & ny times will all be arguing whether or not the poll means anything for Ron Paul. Therefor they will all be bringing up the subject of Ron Paul and the mass public will be forced to learn about him.

Whether or not the poll itself is important is secondary imho. (Atleast for Ron Paul)

Well, disregarding the fact that he won't win the straw poll, the polls validity is questionable since not all the candidates are taking part in it. When you have a couple of the "upper tier" not participate it means people may take their support to someone else in the poll when they actually wanted to support their guy.

Also, the straw poll will be a one or maybe two day news event - that's it.

It should be noted that RP does get some press and probably more press than his maybe 1% support deserves.

 

[EndGame]

Doing a bit of research it appears Ron Paul could emerge as the candidate of choice for the religious right. Look at Paul's stance on the issues and then look at the candidates supported by the religious right supported in the past.........scary......

Will he be the candidate of the Christian Right? By the Christian Right?s own criteria, their candidate ought to be Ron Paul.

Ron Paul is a man of faith. He is a Protestant Christian and a regular churchgoer.

Ron Paul is pro-life. As a specialist in obstetrics/gynecology, he has delivered more than 4,000 babies. Dr. Paul is not just an opponent of partial-birth abortion; he is an opponent of abortion itself. He is also opposed to federal funding of embryonic stem cell research.

Ron Paul is a believer in family values. Unlike many Christian "leaders" and Republican politicians who have admitted to adulterous affairs and/or been married multiple times, Dr. Paul has been married to the same woman for fifty years. He and his wife have been blessed with five children and seventeen grandchildren.

Ron Paul is opposed to same-sex marriage. Although he doesn?t want to strip homosexuals of their civil rights, he has voted to prohibit federal funding for the joint adoption of a child between individuals who are not related by blood or marriage.

Ron Paul is a patriot. He served as a flight surgeon in the U.S. Air Force from 1963 to 1967. He opposes federal court jurisdiction over the question of whether the phrase "under God" should be included in the pledge of allegiance.

Ron Paul is opposed to unrestricted immigration. Because he believes that true citizenship requires cultural connections and an allegiance to the United States, he favors an end to birthright citizenship. And because he believes that it insults legal immigrants, he does not favor amnesty for illegal immigrants in any form. He opposes welfare state subsidies for illegal immigrants that alienate taxpayers and breed suspicion of immigrants. Dr. Paul also believes that all federal government business should be conducted in English.

Ron Paul is opposed to gun control. Not only does he believe that gun control makes people demonstrably less safe, he also thinks it?s a myth that gun control reduces crime. Representative Paul introduced legislation in Congress that would have repealed waiting periods and instant background checks.

Ron Paul is a strict constitutionalist. He never votes for legislation unless the proposed measure is expressly authorized by the Constitution. He has consistently voted to lower or abolish federal taxes, spending, and regulation. Congressman Paul was recently recognized, for the tenth year in a row, as a "Taxpayer?s Friend" by the National Taxpayers Union.

Ron Paul is opposed to the United Nations. He has introduced legislation to withdraw the United States from the UN. Dr. Paul believes that the UN is rife with corruption. It serves as a forum for rampant anti-Americanism. Instead of being reformed, the UN needs to be renounced. Dr. Paul is against any kind of world government or new world order.

Ron Paul is the premier advocate for liberty in politics today. He believes in absolute religious and political liberty for all Americans. He strongly supports private property rights. He believes that government exists to protect the life, liberty, and property of its citizens.
Ron Paul Candidate Of Cristian Right?