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[woolfe9998]

yeah but statistics is hard when anecdotes sound real nice!

Anecdotes are likely more persuasive to the vast majority of people than statistics because they sound more compelling. It's unfortunate that the most reliable information is just too dry for people to digest. More than unfortunate, actually. It's a key fallacy that has been fueling partisanship for ages. Both sides love to prove how awful the other side is by talking about what one person said or did as if it proves anything about "the other side."

Faulty generalization - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[JSt0rm]

Anecdotes are likely more persuasive to the vast majority of people than statistics because they sound more compelling. It's unfortunate that the most reliable information is just too dry for people to digest. More than unfortunate, actually. It's a key fallacy that has been fueling partisanship for ages. Both sides love to prove how awful the other side is by talking about what one person said or did as if it proves anything about "the other side."

Faulty generalization - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

red states are worse...

if you need a billboard like that then your side is shit.

 

[interchange]

yeah but statistics is hard when anecdotes sound real nice!

It's funny how the conversation turned ain't it.

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

FBI stats report thousands of hate crimes every year, over 7,000 in 2018 alone. You could add a zero to the number of incidents on your list and it would still be statistically insignificant. You can't prove that "false hate crimes are on the rise" with a pile of anecdotes. Any more than you can prove the converse with the same method.

Yeah, so remind me - what reputable government entity keeps tabs on false hate crimes?

OH wait - none of them. So make sure when you hear "x# of hate crimes" make sure you just "listen and believe".

 

[sandorski]

sigh

 

[woolfe9998]

Yeah, so remind me - what reputable government entity keeps tabs on false hate crimes?

OH wait - none of them. So make sure when you hear "x# of hate crimes" make sure you just "listen and believe".

Yeah, I'm thinking that conservatives with internet access are making sure to find every single one of them. It only requires mention in a local newspaper, even a campus publication, or on a local news show. Then it's on the internet. Then it's going on some righties' "list" somewhere.

I bet those examples in your articles are the vast majority of them.

 

[Muse]

A mural of Tina Turner was defaced with a swastika in North Carolina | CNN

A mural of legendary singer Tina Turner was vandalized with a red "swastika-type symbol" in Asheville, North Carolina.

www.cnn.com

This is what the Orange Demon has begat.

Since you made it political from the get-go, I moved it here.
admin allisolm

Duh, that does it! I was thinking of playing "Bold Soul Sister" on my radio show tomorrow... now I'm doing it for sure.

These swastika vandals are all cowards, pure and simple. Many are really angry, don't know what to do with their anger... they just act out irrationally.

 

[interchange]

Yeah, so remind me - what reputable government entity keeps tabs on false hate crimes?

OH wait - none of them. So make sure when you hear "x# of hate crimes" make sure you just "listen and believe".

Wait. Are you saying there is no reasonable data on hate crimes? Or hate crime hoaxes? Are you saying that those of us who are seeking the data are the ones who are choosing to "listen and believe" instead of think critically?

More broadly, if it could be shown that hate crime hoaxes are increasing, what is that adding to this discussion?

 

[Fanatical Meat]

Yeah, so remind me - what reputable government entity keeps tabs on false hate crimes?

OH wait - none of them. So make sure when you hear "x# of hate crimes" make sure you just "listen and believe".

what would be the point of that Government Organization. What purpose would tracking false hate crime stats do to make law enforcement easier and the public more safe?

 

[ShookKnight]

Hey Rightzis, how is the whole "Racism Doesn't Exist" argument going for you?

 

[Meghan54]

Now, please explain how you make these two posts of yours be congruent in any form or fashion?

First you proclaim as fact this:

You know what has been on the rise lately? False hate crimes.

Poop swastika @ Mizzou

Ex-NFL player accused of staging hate crime, painting 'MAGA' and swastikas on walls of bakery

Police in Georgia arrested Edawn Louis Coughman for allegedly staging the crime to make an insurance claim and sell off the undamaged appliances.

www.nbcnews.com

Black college lacrosse player arrested for racist swastika graffiti

Fynn Ajani Arthur, a 21-year-old Goucher College student from Brunswick, Maine, was charged with two counts of malicious destruction of property on Thursday night in Towson, Maryland.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Jewish suspects arrested over swastika graffiti on synagogues

Police believe two teenagers were behind paint attacks in Petah Tikva

www.timesofisrael.com

http://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2019/local/hate-crime-hoax-indiana-church/

Plenty more as well: https://nypost.com/2019/02/21/the-list-of-bogus-hate-crimes-in-trump-era-is-long/


But hey - yeah - let's all jump to conclusions as if we know what the end result is - who the culprit is - and who to blame.

Christ, it should be a dead give-away to not get out your pitchforks if the swastika isn't even drawn correctly.

But then you later say this:

Yeah, so remind me - what reputable government entity keeps tabs on false hate crimes?

OH wait - none of them. So make sure when you hear "x# of hate crimes" make sure you just "listen and believe".

So please explain how you arrived at the "fact" that false hate crimes are increasing in frequency when you then assert no one keeps reliable statistics, or any stats at all, on the numbers of false hate crime claims being made? Where's the proof outside a couple of stories......

Or are you just fibbing, trying to be Know Nothing-stupid, or simply making up shit to try to make some ignorant point for your "team?" Because from those two posts, it seems you're trying to play both sides here, right? And that pretty much reduces your first post to being nothing more than drool.

BTW...you forgot to include the cop that claimed he was a victim of a hate incident (the f'ing pig coffee cup incident) which turned out to be the cop himself doing the deed and trying, for some unknown reason, to falsely blame someone/anyone at the McD's for doing it. Unfortunately for him, he was too stupid to realize McD's has cameras all over the behind-the-counter areas.

 

[pmv]

I am assuming it is proper English, just sounds very weird.

Seems that most people treat 'data' as a mass noun like 'coal' which is treated as singular.

But scientists treat it like the word 'clothes', which I guess is a mass noun that is treated as plural. "Datum" isn't really used in English, people say "data point", I suppose like people say 'item of clothing'.

It's one of those things where you can't even speak without picking a team.

Stupid language.

 

[pmv]

So please explain how you arrived at the "fact" that false hate crimes are increasing in frequency when you then assert no one keeps reliable statistics, or any stats at all, on the numbers of false hate crime claims being made? Where's the proof outside a couple of stories......

I wonder if there is/are any data on the level of belief that false hate crimes are rising? We have anecdotal evidence that such a belief is out there among certain groups.

 

[soundforbjt]

I wonder if there is/are any data on the level of belief that false hate crimes are rising? We have anecdotal evidence that such a belief is out there among certain groups.

Fox News..."Some people are saying", followed by a couple of anecdotal stories.

 

[Muse]

Seems that most people treat 'data' as a mass noun like 'coal' which is treated as singular.

But scientists treat it like the word 'clothes', which I guess is a mass noun that is treated as plural. "Datum" isn't really used in English, people say "data point", I suppose like people say 'item of clothing'.

It's one of those things where you can't even speak without picking a team.

Stupid language.

To me, data is plural, it's the whole set of data points. I am a data guy, I keep mucho data on my personal NAS, accessible from all my PCs, but I don't publish it on the internet, even for my exclusive access. I suppose I could, but I don't. If I travel, I take my full set of personal data (not including music) with me. My personal data is in over 450 separate tables which are arranged in groups (i.e. sets of tables, being metadata concerning the tables, not the tables themselves), the totality of the system being about 860MB. How I handle and search this data is where the creativity and fun come in. Data can be hell of fun and incredibly useful, but it takes chops and work. In general, very fun and useful work.

 

[cytg111]

To me, data is plural, it's the whole set of data points. I am a data guy, I keep mucho data on my personal NAS, accessible from all my PCs, but I don't publish it on the internet, even for my exclusive access. I suppose I could, but I don't. If I travel, I take my full set of personal data (not including music) with me. My personal data is in over 450 separate tables which are arranged in groups (i.e. sets of tables, being metadata concerning the tables, not the tables themselves), the totality of the system being about 860MB. How I handle and search this data is where the creativity and fun come in. Data can be hell of fun and incredibly useful, but it takes chops and work. In general, very fun and useful work.

Wait a minute... You have arranged all your personal data to fit in database tables? Blobs bytea etc for binary documents and so forth?

 

[Muse]

Wait a minute... You have arranged all your personal data to fit in database tables? Blobs bytea etc for binary documents and so forth?

No, very little of the data I speak of is other than text, date, numerical, integer, etc. I do have a few General fields that support other things but rarely use them. The relational database environment I use is Microsoft Visual FoxPro 9.0. I have many different kinds of tables with quite a variety of purposes. Many of the tables' primary purpose is to store Memo field data, which is like a text documents that are as big as you like. My system makes finding, editing, etc. of data in those tables pretty easy and convenient. I can access data of importance, interest, significance to me years down the line that I'd never remember without my system. All kinds of stuff! "Databases are interesting!" Me and my first boss when I started programming professionally shared that one day!

 

[pmv]

To me, data is plural, it's the whole set of data points.

No, very little of the data I speak of is other than text, date, numerical, integer, etc. I do have a few General fields that support other things but rarely use them.

See! This is why I give up on the whole data plural/singular controversy! Nobody is consistent about it!

First you say that to you "data" is plural, but when you say "very little of the data" you are treating data as a singular mass noun. You are being inconsistent!

If you thought data was plural you'd have to say "very few of the data". You don't say "very little of the diamonds...", but one would say "very little of the coal...", so you are here treating "data" as a singular mass noun like coal, not as a plural like diamonds.

I am unconvinced anyone follows their own rules consistently when it comes to that damn word!

(I may be losing track of the point of the thread...)

 

[JSt0rm]

Anecdotes are likely more persuasive to the vast majority of people than statistics because they sound more compelling. It's unfortunate that the most reliable information is just too dry for people to digest. More than unfortunate, actually. It's a key fallacy that has been fueling partisanship for ages. Both sides love to prove how awful the other side is by talking about what one person said or did as if it proves anything about "the other side."

Faulty generalization - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

except we can look at about 40 million chuds cheering for concentration camps and realize one side is actually horrible.

 

[MtnMan]

A mural of Tina Turner was defaced with a swastika in North Carolina | CNN

A mural of legendary singer Tina Turner was vandalized with a red "swastika-type symbol" in Asheville, North Carolina.

www.cnn.com

This is what the Orange Demon has begat.

Since you made it political from the get-go, I moved it here.
admin allisolm

The pond scum of humanity has always existed, but the misogynistic racist bastard in office has clearly empowered them. He is no different than the white trash that did this, other than his daddy had money. Much the same can be said about the misfits he has spawned.

 

[JEDIYoda]

Leave it to a died in the wool Trumpster to proclaim that all hate crimes are fake...…...lolol

 

[JSt0rm]

Leave it to a died in the wool Trumpster to proclaim that all hate crimes are fake...…...lolol

how can you be the victim if other people are victims?

 

[JEDIYoda]

how can you be the victim if other people are victims?

more than one victim??? lol

 

[JSt0rm]

more than one victim??? lol

Only white people can be victims.

 

[Muse]

See! This is why I give up on the whole data plural/singular controversy! Nobody is consistent about it!

First you say that to you "data" is plural, but when you say "very little of the data" you are treating data as a singular mass noun. You are being inconsistent!

If you thought data was plural you'd have to say "very few of the data". You don't say "very little of the diamonds...", but one would say "very little of the coal...", so you are here treating "data" as a singular mass noun like coal, not as a plural like diamonds.

I am unconvinced anyone follows their own rules consistently when it comes to that damn word!

(I may be losing track of the point of the thread...)

Well, I'm losing track of the significance of your post. Why does it so rankle you that usage of the term "data?" Is it singular? Is it plural? Data is a conglomeration of information. Whether you consider it a plurality or a single thing has IMO no significance. It's strictly semantic. Why does it matter whether you consider it plural or not? I consider it plural. There are hypocrites all over this country who have mental moving targets to suit their insanities. Those are the mind aberrations that concern me.