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America's mid-Atlantic to Maine I-95 corridor on Hurricane alert

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I live about 45 miles from the coast in NC. Hurricanes are always interesting here. I am on high ground and far enough inland to not have to worry about the water but my family isn't and basically lives in a flood plain. My worst worries about the storm ? That the family members will all be coming to my house !


If you don't have some , download and print some tracking charts. When the power goes out and you can't get online in any form other than listening to a radio and using the charts really helps you understand what is going on, unless you happen to know what long/lat you live at by memory 🙂
http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/pdf/tracking_chart_atlantic.pdf
 
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By Maggie Astor | August 24, 2011 6:24 PM EDT

If Hurricane Irene keeps to its projected path, a region unaccustomed to natural disasters may experience two in a single week. The earthquake on Tuesday -- which was centered in Mineral, Va., and sent tremors up and down the Eastern Seaboard -- caused no measurable damage in New York, but if Irene hits the region later this week, it will be a very different story.

Even if Irene reaches New York as a weakened Category 1 or Category 2 hurricane, it could still wreak considerable havoc because the city is simply not prepared to handle such storms the way Florida or the Gulf Coast are. In a worst-case scenario, here are the top five threats New York City would face from a major hurricane.

1. Storm surge

The single biggest effect New York City would see from a major hurricane is the storm surge. This is the term for water pushed toward the shore by high winds, and it can rise many feet above sea level and inundate entire neighborhoods. In the New England Hurricane of 1938, the storm surge from the East River flooded three blocks of Manhattan, even though the center of the hurricane was many miles away, pummeling eastern Long Island. The Norfolk and Long Island Hurricane of 1821 made landfall in the city itself -- in Jamaica Bay, Queens -- and the 13-foot surge inundated more than a mile of Manhattan from Battery Park to Canal Street.
Storm surges can be catastrophic even in the best-protected cities -- just look at New Orleans when the levees failed. While a Katrina-like scenario is unlikely in New York, a smaller surge could still be deadly because of the structure of New York's waterways. New York Harbor is narrow, which means that water rushing northward from the storm surge, with nowhere to go, would build up very high -- as high as 30 feet, or the third floor of some buildings, according to past warnings from the city's Office of Emergency Management. According to an evacuation map posted on the city's official Web site, aside from Lower Manhattan, many low-lying parts of the other four boroughs would also be at risk, including LaGuardia Airport and J.F.K. Airport, which are located right by Flushing Bay and Jamaica Bay, respectively. All of this would be compounded if the storm surge happened at high tide.

2. Shit everywhere

Many of the effects of high winds on infrastructure are obvious: downed trees and other debris cluttering the streets, downed power lines cutting electricity to buildings and live wires creating hazards for pedestrians. But in a city like New York, hurricane-force winds could break windows en masse, "especially in the taller buildings that would bear the brunt of powerful gusts that occur at higher elevations," the Wall Street Journal reported in 2010. In a worst-case scenario, this could become a scene out of an apocalyptic movie, in which "the canyons of Manhattan could magnify the winds and would be a deadly place for anyone caught beneath the raining glass." And that's not even considering the billions of dollars it would take to clean up the city afterward, and the long-term economic impact of those costs.

3. Goodbye, subways

Every New Yorker has seen how messy subway stations get in heavy rain: dirty puddles form on the platforms, water streams from openings in the ceiling onto the tracks, and trains are frequently delayed. Now imagine even heavier rain, plus a storm surge that sent water from the rivers and harbors crashing into the stations through the stairwells, ceilings and tunnels. It would not even take a worst-case scenario to bring the entire New York City public transportation system to a standstill. In the short term, this would eliminate any chance of last-minute evacuations; in the long term, it could extend the economic damage of a hurricane even beyond when office buildings reopened. If the subways were flooded with salt water rather than just rainwater, the salt "would corrode the switches and cripple the system for months or years, and disable much of the communications infrastructure in Lower Manhattan," The Wall Street Journal reported in 2010 based on an interview with Nicholas Coch, a coastal geology professor at Queens College.

4. Economic paralysis

The area of New York most likely to be affected by a storm surge is also the area where the bulk of the city's economic activity is centered. The Financial District, for example, could be inundated by storm surges from the East River, the Hudson River and the New York Harbor alike. The 1938 hurricane flooded all of Lower Manhattan south of Canal Street, but the damage was limited by the fact that the area was not highly built up at the time. Today, not only is it full of people who could be killed by a storm surge, but it is also the epicenter of the city, national, and international financial systems.

Residents don't necessarily understand "how many days and weeks after a hurricane that their lives will be completely changed," Scott Mandia, a physical sciences professor at Suffolk County Community College on Long Island, told National Geographic News in 2006. "People who live away from the water think a hurricane will mean one day away from work, then back to normal. There will be an economic shutdown for a few weeks, if not a month." He was referring to the impact of a hurricane on Long Island, but the impact on the Financial District would be even worse. A big storm surge could paralyze that part of the city for weeks, depending how severe the flooding was, how quickly the water receded and how much infrastructural damage it left behind, and the consequences of that would be far greater than just lost wages.

5. Difficult to evacuate

If New York remains in Hurricane Irene's path, officials would likely order the evacuation of the most vulnerable areas -- that is, those most likely to be hit by the storm surge. But evacuations are difficult to carry out under the best of circumstances, both because many people are reluctant to leave their homes and because of traffic gridlock as thousands of people try to get out at once, and New York is far from the best of circumstances. The first problem is the sheer size of its population: evacuating more than 8 million people on short notice is an impossible task. The second is the location: on an island, escape routes are inherently limited. Only so many vehicles can cross Manhattan's bridges and tunnels at once, and in the event of a hurricane, people would be screwed.

Hurricanes can change course very quickly, and even a slight shift can threaten areas far from the projected path. Accurate predictions become even more difficult once a hurricane moves north of the Carolinas, according to the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration, because the storms begin to move faster and wind patterns can easily redirect them. The New England Hurricane of 1938 struck with just four hours' notice, and hundreds of people were killed. The NOAA Web site notes that "the overwhelming majority" of lethal hurricanes "occurred before hurricane prediction reached levels necessary to adequately serve the public." Of course, meteorologists' predictive capabilities have increased tremendously over the years, but in the Northeast, the problem remains serious because of the combination of less reliable predictions and more time required for a successful evacuation.

In other words, in order to evacuate New York's extremely dense population through a limited bridge and tunnel system, the evacuation would have to begin significantly earlier than it would in the Southeast or along the Gulf Coast, where populations are less dense and escape routes more plentiful. But because of the difficulties in predicting when and where hurricanes will strike in the Northeast, New York most likely would not be able to begin an evacuation until later than the Southeast or Gulf Coast could. Even worse, because winds usually pick up well before the center of a hurricane hits, time to evacuate could be even more severely limited.

http://www.ibtimes.com/articles/203...ty-storm-surge-subways-economy-evacuation.htm
 
nj declared state of emergency.

Yup, they're trying to get people to take this seriously. Vacationers along the shore aren't thinking of evacuating, folks near NYC aren't thinking about a direct hit to NYC, and the rest of us have heard one too many weather disaster threats that didn't happen.

Gonna be an interesting weekend.
 
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So the eye is going to move right over NYC now? Interesting.

NYC is in the target track.

Hurricane Gloria had the eye come over Amityville/Copiague in 1985 which is about 30 miles east of NYC.

Looking like still Cat 2 strength on landfall there.

A lot of NYC would not survive.
 
New York just declared State of Emergency

New Jersey did a couple of hours before

8-25-2011

http://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/loca...y-Long-Island-Weekend-Forecast-128318923.html

New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo declared a state of emergency on Thursday

Hurricane Irene has strengthened to a Category 3 storm as it approaches North Carolina, and is expected to blow into the New York area early Sunday.


Forecasters say a few showers could break out ahead of the storm on Saturday afternoon, with the wind and surf building into that night.



If Hurricane Irene stays on the projected path, it could slice across Long Island sometime early Sunday as a Category 2 storm and then quickly head up into New England on Sunday late afternoon.
 
Please knock down fenway. I love the sox, but I'm sorry, Fenway is a pretty depressing stadium after you visited other updated ones. And when it is muggy in Fenway or it rains, it becomes a depressing place to be in.

That was a plan at one point but the price of real estate in downtown Boston and the cost of building a new stadium was astronomical..
 
By Maggie Astor | August 24, 2011 6:24 PM EDT

If Hurricane Irene keeps to its projected path, a region unaccustomed to natural disasters may experience two in a single week. The earthquake on Tuesday -- which was centered in Mineral, Va., and sent tremors up and down the Eastern Seaboard -- caused no measurable damage in New York, but if Irene hits the region later this week, it will be a very different story.

Even if Irene reaches New York as a weakened Category 1 or Category 2 hurricane, it could still wreak considerable havoc because the city is simply not prepared to handle such storms the way Florida or the Gulf Coast are. In a worst-case scenario, here are the top five threats New York City would face from a major hurricane.

1. Storm surge

The single biggest effect New York City would see from a major hurricane is the storm surge. This is the term for water pushed toward the shore by high winds, and it can rise many feet above sea level and inundate entire neighborhoods. In the New England Hurricane of 1938, the storm surge from the East River flooded three blocks of Manhattan, even though the center of the hurricane was many miles away, pummeling eastern Long Island. The Norfolk and Long Island Hurricane of 1821 made landfall in the city itself -- in Jamaica Bay, Queens -- and the 13-foot surge inundated more than a mile of Manhattan from Battery Park to Canal Street.
Storm surges can be catastrophic even in the best-protected cities -- just look at New Orleans when the levees failed. While a Katrina-like scenario is unlikely in New York, a smaller surge could still be deadly because of the structure of New York's waterways. New York Harbor is narrow, which means that water rushing northward from the storm surge, with nowhere to go, would build up very high -- as high as 30 feet, or the third floor of some buildings, according to past warnings from the city's Office of Emergency Management. According to an evacuation map posted on the city's official Web site, aside from Lower Manhattan, many low-lying parts of the other four boroughs would also be at risk, including LaGuardia Airport and J.F.K. Airport, which are located right by Flushing Bay and Jamaica Bay, respectively. All of this would be compounded if the storm surge happened at high tide.

2. Shit everywhere

Many of the effects of high winds on infrastructure are obvious: downed trees and other debris cluttering the streets, downed power lines cutting electricity to buildings and live wires creating hazards for pedestrians. But in a city like New York, hurricane-force winds could break windows en masse, "especially in the taller buildings that would bear the brunt of powerful gusts that occur at higher elevations," the Wall Street Journal reported in 2010. In a worst-case scenario, this could become a scene out of an apocalyptic movie, in which "the canyons of Manhattan could magnify the winds and would be a deadly place for anyone caught beneath the raining glass." And that's not even considering the billions of dollars it would take to clean up the city afterward, and the long-term economic impact of those costs.

3. Goodbye, subways

Every New Yorker has seen how messy subway stations get in heavy rain: dirty puddles form on the platforms, water streams from openings in the ceiling onto the tracks, and trains are frequently delayed. Now imagine even heavier rain, plus a storm surge that sent water from the rivers and harbors crashing into the stations through the stairwells, ceilings and tunnels. It would not even take a worst-case scenario to bring the entire New York City public transportation system to a standstill. In the short term, this would eliminate any chance of last-minute evacuations; in the long term, it could extend the economic damage of a hurricane even beyond when office buildings reopened. If the subways were flooded with salt water rather than just rainwater, the salt "would corrode the switches and cripple the system for months or years, and disable much of the communications infrastructure in Lower Manhattan," The Wall Street Journal reported in 2010 based on an interview with Nicholas Coch, a coastal geology professor at Queens College.

4. Economic paralysis

The area of New York most likely to be affected by a storm surge is also the area where the bulk of the city's economic activity is centered. The Financial District, for example, could be inundated by storm surges from the East River, the Hudson River and the New York Harbor alike. The 1938 hurricane flooded all of Lower Manhattan south of Canal Street, but the damage was limited by the fact that the area was not highly built up at the time. Today, not only is it full of people who could be killed by a storm surge, but it is also the epicenter of the city, national, and international financial systems.

Residents don't necessarily understand "how many days and weeks after a hurricane that their lives will be completely changed," Scott Mandia, a physical sciences professor at Suffolk County Community College on Long Island, told National Geographic News in 2006. "People who live away from the water think a hurricane will mean one day away from work, then back to normal. There will be an economic shutdown for a few weeks, if not a month." He was referring to the impact of a hurricane on Long Island, but the impact on the Financial District would be even worse. A big storm surge could paralyze that part of the city for weeks, depending how severe the flooding was, how quickly the water receded and how much infrastructural damage it left behind, and the consequences of that would be far greater than just lost wages.

5. Difficult to evacuate

If New York remains in Hurricane Irene's path, officials would likely order the evacuation of the most vulnerable areas -- that is, those most likely to be hit by the storm surge. But evacuations are difficult to carry out under the best of circumstances, both because many people are reluctant to leave their homes and because of traffic gridlock as thousands of people try to get out at once, and New York is far from the best of circumstances. The first problem is the sheer size of its population: evacuating more than 8 million people on short notice is an impossible task. The second is the location: on an island, escape routes are inherently limited. Only so many vehicles can cross Manhattan's bridges and tunnels at once, and in the event of a hurricane, people would be screwed.

Hurricanes can change course very quickly, and even a slight shift can threaten areas far from the projected path. Accurate predictions become even more difficult once a hurricane moves north of the Carolinas, according to the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration, because the storms begin to move faster and wind patterns can easily redirect them. The New England Hurricane of 1938 struck with just four hours' notice, and hundreds of people were killed. The NOAA Web site notes that "the overwhelming majority" of lethal hurricanes "occurred before hurricane prediction reached levels necessary to adequately serve the public." Of course, meteorologists' predictive capabilities have increased tremendously over the years, but in the Northeast, the problem remains serious because of the combination of less reliable predictions and more time required for a successful evacuation.

In other words, in order to evacuate New York's extremely dense population through a limited bridge and tunnel system, the evacuation would have to begin significantly earlier than it would in the Southeast or along the Gulf Coast, where populations are less dense and escape routes more plentiful. But because of the difficulties in predicting when and where hurricanes will strike in the Northeast, New York most likely would not be able to begin an evacuation until later than the Southeast or Gulf Coast could. Even worse, because winds usually pick up well before the center of a hurricane hits, time to evacuate could be even more severely limited.

http://www.ibtimes.com/articles/203...ty-storm-surge-subways-economy-evacuation.htm
all i can say its its about time someone washed that city. yuck.
 
Everyone should remember that at day 4-5 the track can 200 miles off the center and sometimes these things can go nuts (Charley) and do the totally unexpected..
 
Charley was so dangerous. People went to sleep thinking a minimal hurricane would brush them and woke up to a Cat 4 (if i remember correctly) coming right at them
 
Charley was so dangerous. People went to sleep thinking a minimal hurricane would brush them and woke up to a Cat 4 (if i remember correctly) coming right at them

Yup, it was "supposed" to graze Tampa and head to the panhandle as a minimal cat 1 storm, in 8 hours it got to cat 4 and veered hard right then plowed through the state. A late trip to the store and I saw a bee-hive of activity in one isle...BEER.., carts clanging, people clawing, I got my stuff in 15-20 min and went by the beer isle out of curiosity, it was wiped clean, only 2 dented cans of Schlitz were left, LOL..
 
Everyone should remember that at day 4-5 the track can 200 miles off the center and sometimes these things can go nuts (Charley) and do the totally unexpected..

Irene's now over the >86F waters of the Gulf Stream north of the Bahamas. That's the stuff hurricanes love to feed on to strengthen. There's also not a lot of wind shear that could keep the hurricane from organizing and strengthening. It's definitely not out of the realm of possibility that this makes it to Cat 4 before making landfall.
 
I'm not super worried about it... worst case scenario and we lose power for a prolonged period of time, my fridge is stocked with bottled water, I've got plenty of canned/dry goods, and a gas stove.
 
They've already told my son (linesman) what time to report for storm duty early Saturday morning. He & his girlfriend live fairly close to NYC, so just as a precaution, he's sending her to our house for a few days; until they're sure they'll have power, etc., at their apartment.
 
latest track has it pushing a bit more over the coastline instead of staying at sea by here, should be fun especially if it doesn't weaken to a 2 or less by then.
 
I was supposed to have a date with a guy who lives down the shore too 🙁

God clearly doesn't want us getting together... last weekend I had to go to a Jesus freak wedding, and now we've got a hurricane bearing down on us (and as much as I'll laugh it off inland, idk what it's going to be like on the coast)
 
The boss decided to close up shop on Saturday afternoon, which means I won't be driving through a Cat 2 hurricane and floods to get to work.

Judging by the 2am EST udpate, the hurricane is going to barrel right through NYC at about 6pm Sunday as a Cat 1. Of course New York is still on the extended forcast area and the hurricane has yet to hit continental US landfall, so that might very by who knows how much.
 
Seriously high taxes, snow, and now earth quakes and hurricanes in NY? Cuomo will soon be governing a zero population.
 
I won't lie...I'm in lower Westchester County, NY and I'm definitely a bit nervous.

The last major storm I was in was "The Labor Day Storm" in, I think, 98? That was in Central NY and it was bad. I can't imagine a hurricane hitting NY Metro.

DrPizza, I hope the best for your son. I assume he works for ConEd?
 
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