Americans who tried to exploit Haitian tragedy are formally charged with kidnapping

[Robor]

human trafficking is extremely illegal everywhere. It is a huge problem. Who is to say they weren't working under the cover of missionary to sell them into sex slavery.

I somehow doubt that they were going to sell them into sex slavery. If they did it under bad intentions throw the book at them. If they were doing it with good intentions (as it appears) give them a handslap. Can you really blame the families for trying to give their children a better life?

 

[woolfe9999]

They should be subject to appricable Haitian laws. However, unless any of the parents claim that a child was taken without permission, then this should be treated as a violation of adoption laws, i.e. as a minor bureaucratic offense. It isn't kidnapping if they had permission, not under any system of laws I know of.

- wolf

 

[Dari]

They should be subject to appricable Haitian laws. However, unless any of the parents claim that a child was taken without permission, then this should be treated as a violation of adoption laws, i.e. as a minor bureaucratic offense. It isn't kidnapping if they had permission, not under any system of laws I know of.

- wolf

I agree. Judge each of them for each child and add up the years...

 

[WhipperSnapper]

I don't have much sympathy for these people because I oppose Haitian immigration (and immigration in general) to the U.S. From my perspective these cretins were trying to damage the U.S. How does bringing poor people into the United States so that they can consume tax dollars while also contributing to population explosion benefit Americans?

 

[sportage]

Ok.. Lets look at this in a very simple way.

Say CA had a major earthquake. Many dead. Kids roaming the streets.
THEN you had an outside group coming in and taking children away out of state,
out of country "for their own good and welfare".
So WHAT exactly do you think would happen HERE, not there but HERE in America???
Do you for one minute not think that occurring would not outrage people, media, red cross, the government?

We just do not snatch kids away to some "better life", major disaster or not.
Not legally... that is.
Not without the risk getting caught and going to jail for a very very very very very long time.

So just WHY do people think this is fine to pull in Haiti?
Not to mention Haitian parents having access to legal documentation to even first prove that child is really their child.
Adopting a child requires tons of legal paperwork. Following laws. Legal proof.

Even with the event of some disaster, at no time should ANYONE or ANY PRIVATE GROUP be allowed to just come in and take children. The only organization that "might" be allowed to do this “might” be the red cross. Or an outside military rescue in some "approved" medical-assistance scope. And then, only with the controlled removal of children temporally for their safety, until they can reunite with relatives.

Those people stuck in jail down in Haiti have been exposed for what they really are, kidnappers. And I hope they spend a very long time locked up.
(This is really pissing me off)

 

[sportage]

BTW "JEDIYoda", get your head out of your "A"... Those people knew very well exactly what they were doing... They just believed the Haitian government too ignorant to care, or notice in the calamity. It's not like they just strolled over from next door without thinking. This was well planned, thought out, the risk was ignored. This sort of thing takes a lot of money, planning and resources. Your average missionary group does not have such resources handy at their disposal. Watch... a lot more of this will soon become clear and exposed.

 

[Robor]

I don't have much sympathy for these people because I oppose Haitian immigration (and immigration in general) to the U.S. From my perspective these cretins were trying to damage the U.S. How does bringing poor people into the United States so that they can consume tax dollars while also contributing to population explosion benefit Americans?

It doesn't benefit Americans. IMO it's pretty clear these missionaries were simply trying to give some poor kids a better life. I'm not saying what they did was right but I don't think they had bad intentions.

 

[DucatiMonster696]

Those kids will have a bright and glorious future now that they back in Haiti.

 

[JEDIYoda]

BTW "JEDIYoda", get your head out of your "A"... Those people knew very well exactly what they were doing... They just believed the Haitian government too ignorant to care, or notice in the calamity. It's not like they just strolled over from next door without thinking. This was well planned, thought out, the risk was ignored. This sort of thing takes a lot of money, planning and resources. Your average missionary group does not have such resources handy at their disposal. Watch... a lot more of this will soon become clear and exposed.

You have no proof this was well planned out....link please......btw if it was well planned out it would have worked....

This sort of thing ...you meant to say that in order to help the needy on a moments notice this sort of thing takes money?? correct you are!

This was not a missionary group..there sole purpose was to help these children, this was not religious at all...all these people wanted to do was help the children! I am sorry that your head is stuck so far up your ass you see your molars.....
All these people did was not do things correctly and YES they should be punished but to exact your hatred of all Christians on these poeple who were trying to help is wrong!!

Your attemnpt to capitalize on the word-- BAPTIST is pathetic!

 

[KMFJD]

I had a friend who had a friend that went to haiti and came back with a kid. This was many years ago. Haiti was a hellhole long before the earthquake. Taking kids out of Haiti isn't really a bad thing, and from what I understand many parents there are glad their children can get out. Not saying what they're doing is lawfully right or that it's right that they're probably very bent on converting them to their religion, but they aren't nessacarily incarnations of evil either.

My boss has adopted two kid's from Haiti , the Haitian government wouldn't let him adopt any more for some reason.

 

[JEDIYoda]

Those people stuck in jail down in Haiti have been exposed for what they really are, kidnappers. And I hope they spend a very long time locked up.
(This is really pissing me off)

Actually what they are is people who did not do things correctly! Under the law they are labeled "kidnappers"....yet it has been reported that over 2/3 of those children were willing gave up by their parents due to the promise of a better life in the US.

Can you really blame the families for trying to give their children a better life?

Those kids will have a bright and glorious future now that they are back in Haiti.

 

[ProgressiveAthe]

These people were looking to EXPLOIT these children and their parents. There is NO way they had the children best interest in mind. They lied to the parents and told them that the children would receive food and clothing right away and they didn't. They lied to the parents and told them the children would be taken to a beautiful school with a swimming pool, and everything. There was no great clean school, it was all a lie. These people wanted to sell these children for money, they should be hanged.

 

[ProgressiveAthe]

Actually what they are is people who did not do things correctly! Under the law they are labeled "kidnappers"....yet it has been reported that over 2/3 of those children were willing gave up by their parents due to the promise of a better life in the US.

Can you really blame the families for trying to give their children a better life?

Those kids will have a bright and glorious future now that they are back in Haiti.

Many of the parents were told the children would be going to a nice school, with a pool and everything. Others would told a rich family wanted their child and would take care of him for ever and they could visit anytime they wanted. It was all a lie.

 

[JEDIYoda]

These people were looking to EXPLOIT these children and their parents. There is NO way they had the children best interest in mind. They lied to the parents and told them that the children would receive food and clothing right away and they didn't. They lied to the parents and told them the children would be taken to a beautiful school with a swimming pool, and everything. There was no great clean school, it was all a lie. These people wanted to sell these children for money, they should be hanged.

Talking about lying.....you have no links or proof to back up your own lies......
2/3 of the parents willingly gave their children to these people due to the promise of a better life in the US.00 but of course ignorant brain dead liars don`t understand that these children had to come to the United states. Where condition would be 100% better.

Of course there was no great clean school in Haiti....duh......

Can you really blame the families for trying to give their children a better life?

Those kids will have a bright and glorious future now that they are back in Haiti.

 

[StageLeft]

I haven't followed this but I'm watching MSNBC news and the news spent 10 min talking to these prisoners as long as they didn't have cameras--they were allowed. During this 10 minutes one of them sliped the journalist a note. On it he said they're fearing for their lives, there is "corruption, extortion". Also that Laura wants to control everything and is lying. Laura is the person who organized this.

I have come across some missionaries who go to other nations and I think the majority of them are great people who sacrifice more than the rest of us can appreciate. If there were 10 of them down there taking these kids out my guess is they were on the up and up. But, there are always exceptions and this Laura lady perhaps was it. Maybe she is on the "down and down".

 

[StageLeft]

From one of the notes, with the names of 8 of the 10 people, two missing being Laura and her aid:

"Please you must listen. We have no way to call. Court will not let us have a say with anything about truth for us. We only came as volunteers. We had nothing to do with any documents and have been lied to. Please we fear our lives
Corruption
Extortion"

 

[Dari]

Talking about lying.....you have no links or proof to back up your own lies......
2/3 of the parents willingly gave their children to these people due to the promise of a better life in the US.00 but of course ignorant brain dead liars don`t understand that these children had to come to the United states. Where condition would be 100% better.

Of course there was no great clean school in Haiti....duh......

Can you really blame the families for trying to give their children a better life?

Those kids will have a bright and glorious future now that they are back in Haiti.

How do you know the intention of each member of this group? Stop speaking for them unless you are one of them...

 

[JEDIYoda]

How do you know the intention of each member of this group? Stop speaking for them unless you are one of them...

You stop accusing with also speakin g to them to find out....pot calling kettle black....

 

[Dari]

You stop accusing with also speakin g to them to find out....pot calling kettle black....

Where do you see me accusing them? Based on the people they've spoken with and who subsequently spoke to the media, the group knew and did not care that it did not have the necessary paperwork. To think they can just come into a poor country like this and take the children is awful. Something similar happened in Chad and the Europeans were jailed. Nations have laws. Follow them.

 

[Robor]

Many of the parents were told the children would be going to a nice school, with a pool and everything. Others would told a rich family wanted their child and would take care of him for ever and they could visit anytime they wanted. It was all a lie.

Sarcasm or trolling. If the former, 10/10. If the latter, fail.

 

[Nemesis 1]

of course there is noway you can give those people the benefit of the doubt and just say they screwed up?? Instead just like every other thread you start concerning anything especially Obama you need to go for sensatioanlism instead of the truth...

Sure they violated Haitian law but not mbecauzse they were baptist or missionaries or anything else.
I tend to believe they had the childrens best interest at heart....only problem is they went about it the wrong or they thought they had a short cut tio help these children...sorry Dari your thread title IMo is very mis-leading!!

Alas we agree on something. I to believe they had the best interest of the children at heart. But 2 wrongs don't make a right. This is a tuff moral question and case to debate.

 

[Dari]

Alas we agree on something. I to believe they had the best interest of the children at heart. But 2 wrongs don't make a right. This is a tuff moral question and case to debate.

Gone Baby Gone?

Does it really matter how morally right it is? It does not because, at the end of the day, the kidnapper has total control over the child without any input of society. Hence, should they ever stop being 'moral' and switch to abuse or worse, when can society step in? In other words, to put it another way, the fate of the child is entirely in the hand of the abductor. Do you really want that?

 

[Codewiz]

Alas we agree on something. I to believe they had the best interest of the children at heart. But 2 wrongs don't make a right. This is a tuff moral question and case to debate.

As a person looking to adopt a child from a foreign country, I know a thing or two about the process.

The people giving these americans the benefit of the doubt are just delusional. There are tons of american non-profit adoption agencies that do nothing but should be considered child trafficking.

For instance:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iQoqih4iTss

I don't care if the organization is "Christian". There is TONS of money to be made in this arena. If these people wanted to help, there were tons of orphanages in Haiti that needed to be rebuilt.

I have zero doubt that these fuckers were trying to make a quick buck on getting these children into the US and into the homes of americans.

 

[JEDIYoda]

As a person looking to adopt a child from a foreign country, I know a thing or two about the process.-- who cares what you know or don`t know???

The people giving these americans the benefit of the doubt are just delusional. There are tons of american non-profit adoption agencies that do nothing but should be considered child trafficking. ---- you base this on what?? Possibly being denied an adopted child?? No proof just blabbering nonesense out of your mouth....

For instance:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iQoqih4iTss

I don't care if the organization is "Christian". There is TONS of money to be made in this arena. If these people wanted to help, there were tons of orphanages in Haiti that needed to be rebuilt. -- I agree...build a better orphanage so these kids can have a better life...dude what are you smokin??

I have zero doubt that these fuckers were trying to make a quick buck on getting these children into the US and into the homes of americans. of course you have zero doubt....your petition to adopt a child was probably denied....tough shit.....what goes around comes around...

All your statements and your attempt to make yourself into some sort of expert on the subject fail miserably....no links or supportiung articles to back up all that nonesensicle diatribe...