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fskimospy said:
Anyone who thinks Ben Shapiro of all people frames situations honestly and refrains from twisting opposing ideas on purpose has either never listened to or read anything he has written or doesn’t understand what words mean.
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You have? An entire thing, or sound bites? Be honest.
 
realibrad said:
You have? An entire thing, or sound bites? Be honest.
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Yes, I have read a number of his pieces and listened to some of his 'debates'. The guy is wildly, comically dishonest. His dedication to straw-manning his opponents positions is probably his defining debate tactic.

For example when he tried to 'debate' transgender issues he declared that gender is not malleable despite that being demonstrably false the world over as gender roles are clearly quite different across different cultures. He then derided it by claiming the idea that people can change their gender is the same as people deciding to change their age. There is no way any rational person would describe that as Shapiro attempting to engage in good faith debate.

Ben Shapiro is what stupid people think a smart person sounds like. In reality Shapiro is very similar to Trump where his debate tactic is performance art as opposed to, you know, actually debating people.
 
ecogen said:
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2014/11/10/7-reasons-net-neutrality/

While I fucking hate giving this piece of shit site clicks, this was my first contact with Ben Shapiro. Read it and tell us if you see any logical inconsistencies with the article. Hint: the guy literally owns himself by destroying one of his own arguments.
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lol, his very first point is that competition ensures people would leave their ISP if it offered them bad service.

That is fucking hilarious.
 
fskimospy said:
lol, his very first point is that competition ensures people would leave their ISP if it offered them bad service.

That is fucking hilarious.
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Oh look, a non-idiot got it at once. He himself even goes on to state in a later paragraph that a large number of ISPs are essentially operating as monopolies essentially arguing against himself.

The guy is a disingenuous hack, or he's stupid.
 
ecogen said:
Oh look, a non-idiot got it at once. He himself even goes on to state in a later paragraph that a large number of ISPs are essentially operating as monopolies essentially arguing against himself.

The guy is a disingenuous hack, or he's stupid.
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He knows his audience.
 
fskimospy said:
Yes, I have read a number of his pieces and listened to some of his 'debates'. The guy is wildly, comically dishonest. His dedication to straw-manning his opponents positions is probably his defining debate tactic.

For example when he tried to 'debate' transgender issues he declared that gender is not malleable despite that being demonstrably false the world over as gender roles are clearly quite different across different cultures. He then derided it by claiming the idea that people can change their gender is the same as people deciding to change their age. There is no way any rational person would describe that as Shapiro attempting to engage in good faith debate.

Ben Shapiro is what stupid people think a smart person sounds like. In reality Shapiro is very similar to Trump where his debate tactic is performance art as opposed to, you know, actually debating people.
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Are you talking about this?

"The idea that sex or gender is malleable is not true. I’m not denying your humanity if you are a transgender person; I am saying that you are not the sex which you claim to be. You’re still a human being, and you’re a human being with an issue then I wish you Godspeed in dealing with it in any whatever way you see fit, but if you’re going to dictate to me that I’m supposed to pretend, I’m supposed to pretend that men are women and women are men, no."?
 
ecogen said:
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2014/11/10/7-reasons-net-neutrality/

While I fucking hate giving this piece of shit site clicks, this was my first contact with Ben Shapiro. Read it and tell us if you see any logical inconsistencies with the article. Hint: the guy literally owns himself by destroying one of his own arguments.
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Does not make a good argument. Again, he and I do not agree on a lot of things. I'm not a conservative so there is a lot to disagree with.

I do think the isps are monopolies so saying competition is there does not make sense.

But, I don't agree with anyone about everything. Are you saying that everyone is unreasonable because nobody gets everything right?
 
realibrad said:
Does not make a good argument. Again, he and I do not agree on a lot of things. I'm not a conservative so there is a lot to disagree with.

I do think the isps are monopolies so saying competition is there does not make sense.

But, I don't agree with anyone about everything. Are you saying that everyone is unreasonable because nobody gets everything right?
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No, I'm saying he's unreasonable because he constantly presents arguments like this one, and like the healthcare one I linked in one of my previous posts. He also writes for FUCKING BREITBART. These things add up, the guy is a hack. He is biased, and I've never seen him argue in good faith.
 
realibrad said:
Are you talking about this?

"The idea that sex or gender is malleable is not true. I’m not denying your humanity if you are a transgender person; I am saying that you are not the sex which you claim to be. You’re still a human being, and you’re a human being with an issue then I wish you Godspeed in dealing with it in any whatever way you see fit, but if you’re going to dictate to me that I’m supposed to pretend, I’m supposed to pretend that men are women and women are men, no."?
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That's an excerpt of a much longer piece which you should watch the entirety of. It is deeply, comically dishonest. He makes a demonstrably false statement that gender is not malleable and then proceeds to straw man the hell out of everyone else's arguments based on that premise.

ecogen rightly points out that Shapiro is also ignorant of many of the issues that he writes about but that's an entirely separate issue from his fundamental bad faith. He does not present his arguments honestly nor does he attempt to present his opponents' arguments honestly. Like I said he's just like Trump, a debate performer, not an actual debater.
 
ecogen said:
No, I'm saying he's unreasonable because he constantly presents arguments like this one, and like the healthcare one I linked in one of my previous posts. He also writes for FUCKING BREITBART. These things add up, the guy is a hack. He is biased, and I've never seen him argue in good faith.
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Are you aware that he Left Breitbart? Do you know why?

https://www.politico.com/blogs/on-m...elds-ben-shapiro-resign-from-breitbart-220709

"In my opinion, Steve Bannon is a bully, and has sold out Andrew’s mission in order to back another bully, Donald Trump; he has shaped the company into Trump’s personal Pravda, to the extent that he abandoned and undercut his own reporter, Breitbart News’ Michelle Fields, in order to protect Trump’s bully campaign manager, Corey Lewandowski, who allegedly assaulted Michelle."

I think he is far from perfect. I can't think of a talking head on either side that is unbiased. I think what makes him different from many on the Right is that he is upfront that he is a conservative and flat out states his bias.

I think the arguments he forms is thus influenced by that bias. You see it as him being dishonest. I see it as him looking at problems but his perspective is flawed by his bias which seems to be just about everywhere. He has also admitted when he got things wrong which rockets him above many on the Right.
 
fskimospy said:
That's an excerpt of a much longer piece which you should watch the entirety of. It is deeply, comically dishonest. He makes a demonstrably false statement that gender is not malleable and then proceeds to straw man the hell out of everyone else's arguments based on that premise.

ecogen rightly points out that Shapiro is also ignorant of many of the issues that he writes about but that's an entirely separate issue from his fundamental bad faith. He does not present his arguments honestly nor does he attempt to present his opponents' arguments honestly. Like I said he's just like Trump, a debate performer, not an actual debater.
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Sadly I'm on a death watch for my grandfather in law, so I may have the time. I figured that was the one you were talking about, so Ill try and give it a watch. Most of the things I have watched of his conversations with Harris, Peterson, and Weinstein which is far less political.
 
realibrad said:
Are you aware that he Left Breitbart? Do you know why?

https://www.politico.com/blogs/on-m...elds-ben-shapiro-resign-from-breitbart-220709

"In my opinion, Steve Bannon is a bully, and has sold out Andrew’s mission in order to back another bully, Donald Trump; he has shaped the company into Trump’s personal Pravda, to the extent that he abandoned and undercut his own reporter, Breitbart News’ Michelle Fields, in order to protect Trump’s bully campaign manager, Corey Lewandowski, who allegedly assaulted Michelle."
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Breitbart has been garbage since forever. I don't give a fuck that he quit, the fact that he was there in the first place is telling, and notice how he didn't quit over ideological differences, he quite because one of his colleagues got fucked over by Bannon.


I think he is far from perfect. I can't think of a talking head on either side that is unbiased. I think what makes him different from many on the Right is that he is upfront that he is a conservative and flat out states his bias.
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Cool, that doesn't change his garbage arguments one bit.

I think the arguments he forms is thus influenced by that bias. You see it as him being dishonest. I see it as him looking at problems but his perspective is flawed by his bias which seems to be just about everywhere. He has also admitted when he got things wrong which rockets him above many on the Right.
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I said he's either a disingenuous hack, or he's an idiot. It's true that I lean towards the disingenuous hack explanation but I left the door open for the alternative.

You should check out his book "True Allegiance", I came across some excerpts which were hilariously bad. Every fucking stereotype and conservative bogeyman he could think of he shoehorned in there, it's actually some of the funniest shit I've read.
 
ecogen said:
Breitbart has been garbage since forever. I don't give a fuck that he quit, the fact that he was there in the first place is telling, and notice how he didn't quit over ideological differences, he quite because one of his colleagues got fucked over by Bannon.




Cool, that doesn't change his garbage arguments one bit.



I said he's either a disingenuous hack, or he's an idiot. It's true that I lean towards the disingenuous hack explanation but I left the door open for the alternative.

You should check out his book "True Allegiance", I came across some excerpts which were hilariously bad. Every fucking stereotype and conservative bogeyman he could think of he shoehorned in there, it's actually some of the funniest shit I've read.
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Of course. The truth doesn't matter. What sells is what matters & the appetite for right wing Woo in this country is large & lucrative. Playing to it is a calculated move requiring no honesty at all.
 
ecogen said:
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2014/11/10/7-reasons-net-neutrality/

While I fucking hate giving this piece of shit site clicks, this was my first contact with Ben Shapiro. Read it and tell us if you see any logical inconsistencies with the article. Hint: the guy literally owns himself by destroying one of his own arguments.
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I love the "some companies take up more bandwidth than others" point, and saying higher bandwidth websites cost ISPs money: Wow, I had no idea that ISPs have been providing their service for free to end users out of the goodness of their hearts! Someone should really pay them for that service! Maybe they could also provide different service offerings depending on the amount of bandwidth the end user uses.

<clears throat>
 
realibrad said:
Nobody said to remove assistance. Examine does not mean remove. Your whole point is built upon that.
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I based my argument on your statement:

realibrad said:
So when resources are taken from Black communities and then given back through programs that are run by the state, he expects negative out comes as Black people are just as able as anyone else to improve their lives.
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If that is the starting position then the only reasonable conclusion is to end the programs. Arguing he just said to 'examine' the programs when his basic assumption starts from the position is that all such programs have inherently negative outcomes is disingenuous.
 
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