Americans prefer beer over wine.....& nearly 5 months later (Dec 2007), Beer > Spirits

[vi edit]

Originally posted by: broon

Originally posted by: vi_edit
Yeh, and making a lager is a much more tedious process than making an ale. But that doesn't stop the fact that many lagers taste like skunked fox piss.

Complexity of a drink is not a direct result of the crafting process.

The skunk taste often comes from the bottle color and if it has been exposed to heat or light. Wine is basically three ingredients, grapes, yeast, and water. Beer is much more than that and the amount of each ingredient is much more crucial to the outcome of the final product.

So the type of grape, climate and soil type it's grown in, sugar levels at picking, and barrel aging has absolutely no impact on the flavor of wine?

Again I repeat...the crafting process isn't the only thing that goes into the complexity of a product.

 

[Vic]

I like wine but I really don't like the ignorance of wine snobs.

Fine beer can be just as complex in flavor and style as any wine, and is considerably more difficult to craft.

I say wine snobs need to have that "whole world opened before their eyes."

And oh yeah, I live in an area renowned for both its beer and its wine, its hops and its grapes.

 

[broon]

Originally posted by: vi_edit

Originally posted by: broon

Originally posted by: vi_edit
Yeh, and making a lager is a much more tedious process than making an ale. But that doesn't stop the fact that many lagers taste like skunked fox piss.

Complexity of a drink is not a direct result of the crafting process.

The skunk taste often comes from the bottle color and if it has been exposed to heat or light. Wine is basically three ingredients, grapes, yeast, and water. Beer is much more than that and the amount of each ingredient is much more crucial to the outcome of the final product.

So the type of grape, climate and soil type it's grown in, sugar levels at picking, and barrel aging has absolutely no impact on the flavor of wine?

Again I repeat...the crafting process isn't the only thing that goes into the complexity of a product.

And the type and quality of the grain and hops, and barrel (if used), and aging also has an impact on the flavor of beer. Again I repeat...which part of my accused post was idiotic?

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: vi_edit

Originally posted by: broon

Originally posted by: vi_edit
Yeh, and making a lager is a much more tedious process than making an ale. But that doesn't stop the fact that many lagers taste like skunked fox piss.

Complexity of a drink is not a direct result of the crafting process.

The skunk taste often comes from the bottle color and if it has been exposed to heat or light. Wine is basically three ingredients, grapes, yeast, and water. Beer is much more than that and the amount of each ingredient is much more crucial to the outcome of the final product.

So the type of grape, climate and soil type it's grown in, sugar levels at picking, and barrel aging has absolutely no impact on the flavor of wine?

Again I repeat...the crafting process isn't the only thing that goes into the complexity of a product.

Uh... likewise the growing of hops for beer.

 

[SketchMaster]

So far I haven't found a beer I can enjoy, so I stick to slightly harder stuff. Though when I went to WA for two weeks to visit family they showed me the world of wine, now I think I enjoy that more than anything.

But I only have a drink maybe twice a month so keeping wine fresh is a bit hard.

 

[vi edit]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: vi_edit

Originally posted by: broon

Originally posted by: vi_edit
Yeh, and making a lager is a much more tedious process than making an ale. But that doesn't stop the fact that many lagers taste like skunked fox piss.

Complexity of a drink is not a direct result of the crafting process.

The skunk taste often comes from the bottle color and if it has been exposed to heat or light. Wine is basically three ingredients, grapes, yeast, and water. Beer is much more than that and the amount of each ingredient is much more crucial to the outcome of the final product.

So the type of grape, climate and soil type it's grown in, sugar levels at picking, and barrel aging has absolutely no impact on the flavor of wine?

Again I repeat...the crafting process isn't the only thing that goes into the complexity of a product.

Uh... likewise the growing of hops for beer.

I'm not knocking beer. I'm simply saying that the assumption that wine is "uncomplicated" because of the crafting process is asinine.

 

[Steve]

I'm a beer man, usually once a week. It even helps when I'm hungry, there's a sandwich in every bottle.

 

[broon]

Originally posted by: vi_edit
I'm not knocking beer. I'm simply saying that the assumption that wine is "uncomplicated" because of the crafting process is asinine.

I don't believe I ever said wine is uncomplicated. I said it was less complex than beer.

Here it is:

Originally posted by: broon
Beer is a more complex and more sophisticated beverage than wine.

 

[CKent]

I only drink liquor, I have a high tolerance and I'm a big guy so I have to drink gallons of beer to get the buzz I want. Also never really developed a taste for beer. I drink maybe once every few months, but when I do I drink a good bit. Favorite is whisky.

 

[Kelemvor]

Whoa. I thought it said Beef instead of Beer. Poll makes much more sense now.

 

[waggy]

Originally posted by: broon

Originally posted by: vi_edit
I still can't figure out if you are trolling, or if you really are an idiot.

What part of that post is idiotic?

BTW, it's harder to brew quality beer to style than it is to make wine.

so what? what does it matter?

there is good beer and good wine. how hard it is to make does not matter ot a person enjoying it.

 

[Vic]

IMO beer's popularity and (occasional) negative image in America both come from its egalitarianism. Beer is the drink of the common people. I have no problem with this. Some people do, oh well.
One of the funnier bits though is the negativity often directed towards the mega macrobrews, often misguidedly so by microbrew fans (of which I am a big microbrew fan, there is no doubt).
So this next bit I'm gonna try to say carefully, because I know a lot of people will take it wrong. For its type and style, a light dry lager, Budwieser is probably the finest and most well-crafted alcoholic beverage (much less beer) in the world. It's true, it really is. It's not to my personal taste (my personal favorite style is an amber ale with Cascade hops, call me provincial), but OTOH the perception of Budwieser as being the low-quality "Folgers of beer" is completely inaccurate.

 

[Journer]

nothing is better than a nice aged liquor on the rocks

 

[spamsk8r]

I drink both beer and liquor, very rarely wine. I've only had a couple of wines that I really liked, and I don't know much about how to select a wine or anything, so I just go with what I know, and I know beer (plus if you buy a six pack of a new beer to try and it sucks, you're only out 8 bucks instead of 40+ for a bottle of good wine).

 

[vi edit]

Originally posted by: Vic
IMO beer's popularity and (occasional) negative image in America both come from its egalitarianism. Beer is the drink of the common people. I have no problem with this. Some people do, oh well.
One of the funnier bits though is the negativity often directed towards the mega macrobrews, often misguidedly so by microbrew fans (of which I am a big microbrew fan, there is no doubt).
So this next bit I'm gonna try to say carefully, because I know a lot of people will take it wrong. For its type and style, a light dry lager, Budwieser is probably the finest and most well-crafted alcoholic beverage (much less beer) in the world. It's true, it really is. It's not to my personal taste (my personal favorite style is an amber ale with Cascade hops, call me provincial), but OTOH the perception of Budwieser as being the low-quality "Folgers of beer" is completely inaccurate.

:thumbsup:

I'll take a fully leaded Bud any day over the premium priced competitors like Heineken and Corona.

 

[broon]

Originally posted by: Vic
For its type and style, a light dry lager, Budwieser is probably the finest and most well-crafted alcoholic beverage (much less beer) in the world. It's true, it really is. It's not to my personal taste (my personal favorite style is an amber ale with Cascade hops, call me provincial), but OTOH the perception of Budwieser as being the low-quality "Folgers of beer" is completely inaccurate.

True. It is very difficult to get the consistent product that they get. Although one thing they do is blend the new beer with old beer to maintain consistency.

 

[spamsk8r]

Originally posted by: Journer
nothing is better than a nice aged liquor on the rocks

I love scotch, scotchy scotch scotch, warm in my belly 🙂

 

[Electric Amish]

I prefer liquor (vodka+tonic) over beer and wine.

Beer and Wine are about equal in my opinion and both second to cocktails.

 

[Balt]

I like red wine more than beer, but it usually gives me a bad headache so I don't drink it. I don't like white wine at all.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: vi_edit
I'll take a fully leaded Bud any day over the premium priced competitors like Heineken and Corona.

Except I don't see either Heineken or Corona as being "premium" beers. 🙂
Hell, I think A-B owns Corona (Grupo Modelo, which also makes Pacifico).
IMO, a really good alternative to Corona is a Nicaraguan beer called Toña.


Point being that beer is so varied in style and variety as to boggle the mind.
This variety is IMO what makes a site like ratebeer.com kinda pointless (to take literally), as though all dark beers are better than lighter ones. That would be like saying all red wines are better than whites. Each has its time and place and should be judged accordingly.

 

[Summitdrinker]

beer for me, but I will have a wiskey sour or vodka redbull in a bar

last night I had a Moose Drool Brown Ale and a Huber Bock

Huber Bock

 

[djheater]

Originally posted by: broon

Originally posted by: vi_edit
Yeh, and making a lager is a much more tedious process than making an ale. But that doesn't stop the fact that many lagers taste like skunked fox piss.

Complexity of a drink is not a direct result of the crafting process.

The skunk taste often comes from the bottle color and if it has been exposed to heat or light. Wine is basically three ingredients, grapes, yeast, and water. Beer is much more than that and the amount of each ingredient is much more crucial to the outcome of the final product.

Beer is malted barley and water. Hops is an addition that is not needed, actually, though it's hard to imagine beer without it.

You can make bad beer as easily as you can make bad wine.
Making a quality product from either is mostly art and a little luck.

Humans figured out how to ferment fruits and ran with it. Wine is just like beer, but an adaptation of the fermentation process modified for grapes. Malting is not necessary to make "beer" either techincally come to think of it, though it would probably be pretty weak sauce.

People saying either is categorically better, are retarded IMO.

 

[Vic]

Moose Drool is damned good beer. I haven't been terribly impressed by the rest of Big Sky's offerings, but that one is one of my favs.

 

[broon]

Originally posted by: djheater

People saying either is categorically better, are retarded IMO.

Never said it was better either.

Comprehensive reading FTW. :roll:

 

[djheater]

Originally posted by: broon

Originally posted by: djheater

People saying either is categorically better, are retarded IMO.

Never said it was better either.

Comprehensive reading FTW. :roll:

And I never said you did.

Comprehensive reading FTW. :roll: