Americans getting fed up with asylum seekers

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MrSquished

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I guess when @fskimospy called Greenman smart he meant the kind of smart that is regressively stupid, willfully ignorant, purposely obtuse and irredeemable.
 

K1052

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Luckily more people are for zoning than against it. It comes from the desire to not live in a shithole. Everyone want's to live in a nice place, and will work hard to do it. Some people want to make everything fair by forcing ev

Well it's basically attractive lie right? Zoning is explained as say not allowing a chemical plant to be built next to your house when what it really means in practice is just that incumbent property owners can keep new people out. Some people contend that is their right as owners but that's a rationalization because everybody has to deal with the externalities a gigantic housing shortage causes.
 

fskimospy

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Well it's basically attractive lie right? Zoning is explained as say not allowing a chemical plant to be built next to your house when what it really means in practice is just that incumbent property owners can keep new people out. Some people contend that is their right as owners but that's a rationalization because everybody has to deal with the externalities a gigantic housing shortage causes.
Generally speaking when people who support restrictive housing are confronted with the incredibly obvious consequences they invent reasons why it wasn’t really their ideas that led to a catastrophe, it’s some other reason like mental illness or drug addiction.

If you ask them why say, West Virginia, which has some of the highest rates of drug addiction but among the lowest rates of homelessness they furiously wave their arms.

I wish they would just own their position. They don’t care that they are causing homelessness. Anti-regulation conservatives want the government to regulate housing to the extent that it causes mass homelessness. They don’t want to admit it because admitting it makes them look bad, but that’s what they want.
 
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K1052

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I wish they would just own their position. They don’t care that they are causing homelessness. Anti-regulation conservatives want the government to regulate housing to the extent that it causes mass homelessness. They don’t want to admit it because admitting it makes them look bad, but that’s what they want.

I would respect the honesty of "I want what I want and fuck everybody else I don't care if they struggle and/or die". It's reprehensible but truthful.
 
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fskimospy

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I would respect the honesty of "I want what I want and fuck everybody else I don't care if they struggle and/or die". It's reprehensible but truthful.
They won’t say that though because they know the results of their preferred policies are monstrous.

Instead they pretend homelessness is due to mental illness or drug addiction because they can’t admit it’s due to their own actions.
 
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It explains why conservatives think they never lose elections fairly. They think everyone secretly agrees with them and are unable to understand why they keep losing. They keep losing because they are delusional.
or their mothers drank and used hard core drugs while they were in the womb. all legitimate possibilities.
 

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I would respect the honesty of "I want what I want and fuck everybody else I don't care if they struggle and/or die". It's reprehensible but truthful.
you expect too much from a group of voters who think the meal team six band of pussies are "badass"
 
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Does OP not remember this is exactly the same shit right wing propaganda that happens in the leadup to every, single, election, now? Sad how they're being used to push the rhetoric they know is the source of the things they claim to be concerned about.
 
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Yeah but the bolded is right wing propaganda and you repeat uncritically. A lot of numbers were mentioned in the article indicating there were tens of thousands of migrants coming into New York, can you find a credible citation for that because the article provided none. In fact, the article was very light on facts and heavy on anecdotes and the articles it linked to were also light on actual facts.
NYT has some figures.

For several nights last week, New York City’s migrant crisis seemed to have passed a breaking point: As many as 300 newly arrived migrants were left to sleep on the sidewalk outside the main processing center in Midtown Manhattan.

Mayor Eric Adams said the city had simply run out of room in its sprawling, ever-growing network of emergency shelters, after receiving nearly 100,000 immigrants since last year. Images of men crammed behind metal barricades in a line that wound around a Manhattan block drew comparisons to migrant surges that have overwhelmed the streets of European countries and chaotic tent cities on the West Coast.

But by the end of the week, the overnight line had disappeared.

So where has the city been putting everyone? That remains a bit of a mystery.
Not that all these migrants received one-way bus tickets from Greg Abbott. I believe there is some reporting of that elsewhere:

 
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As a former New Yorker, New Yorkers only have themselves to blame for the anemic housing development and underbuilding of shelters for the past 40 years.

But the next best time to fix this problem is to open the flood gates and start building now.
 
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As a former New Yorker, New Yorkers only have themselves to blame for the anemic housing development and underbuilding of shelters for the past 40 years.

But the next best time to fix this problem is to open the flood gates and start building now.
It’s always funny to me that here all people can talk about is how expensive housing is and then when you suggest expanding the supply they are horrified.

For some weird reason everyone understands the basic law of supply and demand but so many think it magically doesn’t apply to houses.
 
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It’s always funny to me that here all people can talk about is how expensive housing is and then when you suggest expanding the supply they are horrified.

For some weird reason everyone understands the basic law of supply and demand but so many think it magically doesn’t apply to houses.
"My house should be the last one built." or "My purchasing of this one property means I get a say in how nearby properties are or are not developed further."

My parents used to live on Long Island, and over the years, the smaller post-war homes in their neighborhood were being torn down to make giant mcmansions that could house 3 generations, and have 3-4 cars per household. That was apparently okay with people in the town, but the moment you suggest that someone be allowed to tear down their post-war home and build a duplex, triplex, or just a simple 2-unit townhouse, people would lose their mind about "the character of the neighborhood."
 

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"My house should be the last one built." or "My purchasing of this one property means I get a say in how nearby properties are or are not developed further."

My parents used to live on Long Island, and over the years, the smaller post-war homes in their neighborhood were being torn down to make giant mcmansions that could house 3 generations, and have 3-4 cars per household. That was apparently okay with people in the town, but the moment you suggest that someone be allowed to tear down their post-war home and build a duplex, triplex, or just a simple 2-unit townhouse, people would lose their mind about "the character of the neighborhood."
What they really mean is they are afraid that poor people and/or minorities will move in. They aren’t wrong either - if only one area legalizes housing for poor people that’s where the poor people will go.

This is why local level housing reforms are not the answer. The proper answer is mass legalization of housing everywhere.
 

HomerJS

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I guess it makes me a bad person for deriving some small amusement from the situation. Lots of people want open borders as long as all those foreigners don't end up in their state.
Just for the official record, nimbyism is not only perfectly normal, it's rational, logical, and desirable.
Who has advocated for open borders. Maybe you don't say shit that isn't true?
 
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You've got to laugh* when conservatives start bleating about "open borders" again, when it's conservatives who want to pay the least for labour, devalue public services as much as possible such as education (which ensures that more immigrants are needed, not fewer) while also taking great joy in demonizing and torturing the same immigrants they try to attract.

* laugh / cry / wonder "what the fuck is wrong with you people"
 
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You've got to laugh* when conservatives start bleating about "open borders" again, when it's conservatives who want to pay the least for labour, devalue public services as much as possible such as education (which ensures that more immigrants are needed, not fewer) while also taking great joy in demonizing and torturing the same immigrants they try to attract.

* laugh / cry / wonder "what the fuck is wrong with you people"

Florida has run itself aground somewhat on this particular issue. They passed a really strict law about employing undocumented labor and are now freaking the fuck out as that labor disappears.

The state likely cannot exist in its present condition without those people since it's a place regularly subject to massive natural disasters.
 

HomerJS

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"Open borders" is one of those right-wing rinse and repeat lies they tell so many times people like @Greenman get it implanted in their brains and just regurgitate on demand.

We will not be able to solve the border problem until we can agree on a set of facts.

Dems tried during Trump's term to push comprehensive immigration reform. Remember that clip from a meeting with him and Dem leaders agreeing on that framework. Trump goes back to his people and then reneges.

Also red states are removing age restrictions for work creating an additional incentive. That's how you get 14 year old undocumented working the night shift in slaughter houses.