Americans are stoopid

[irishScott]

What we would need is some sort of a Parliamentary-type of system where the House or Senate is elected on a national basis with seats being distributed based on the percentage of votes received. That way supporters of socialism could get a couple people into Congress, etc.

What we need are fixed levels of government-provided campaign spending, no unreasonable limits on who can run on from which party (say a candidate party needs at least 20,000 registered voters to qualify), no corporate donations of any kind, and a tournament-style system of elections.

Would even the playing field and allow the more rational voices to be heard.

 

[Abwx]

You pick number of unnecessary hospital beds. So? I pick MRI's. Neither is a measure of what it costs to provide care because all care in all situations isn't equal, and why on earth would we want to increase the number of beds beyond what is needed? Has it occurred to you that our situations (see my above post) are different? When you go to a physician are you better off having more beds if you aren't admitted and haven't a need for them?

In any case the one of the goals of medicine should be to reduce the number of beds needed. Perhaps if another nation needs that many it's because they are doing something wrong. You've picked an arbitrary number of "somethings" which we don't need more of and use that as a standard and those are things we don't want to need more of.

Arguing apples and oranges makes no sense.

European population structure is different, seniors are well more in average, so that explain partly the hospital density, but then, the
cost in GDP should be way higher than in the US given this countrie s
younger population, wich is not the case and further point the low
efficency of the US system, wich unfortunately is not built with
efficency in mind but with the doctrinal principle that even this
sector must be a free market.

The limitation is thus ideological and it s quite amazing to see
people revolving around resolving this efficency issue while
still maintaining free market habits.

Sometimes , an equation has only one real solution...

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

European population structure is different, seniors are well more in average, so that explain partly the hospital density, but then, the
cost in GDP should be way higher than in the US given this countrie s
younger population, wich is not the case and further point the low
efficency of the US system, wich unfortunately is not built with
efficency in mind but with the doctrinal principle that even this
sector must be a free market.

The limitation is thus ideological and it s quite amazing to see
people revolving around resolving this efficency issue while
still maintaining free market habits.

Sometimes , an equation has only one real solution...

You first have to know the equation and understand it. Considering that we are paid what others decide what we will be paid, it's hard to understand this theoretical "free market" you speak of. That you haven't a grounded understanding of the needs and peculiarities of the US and you speak of "efficiency" judged in the context of a different economic and political structure it seems that ideology is indeed the issue, and that would be yours. Just how spread out is your country and what is your inner city crime rate? What's your rate of obesity? Have you given health care to someone professionally? In the States?

Can you explain to me what happens from a care and reimbursement perspective in the US?

 

[Abwx]

You first have to know the equation and understand it. Considering that we are paid what others decide what we will be paid, it's hard to understand this theoretical "free market" you speak of.

If you need a particular medication to stay alive, you ll buy the same
quantities whatever the price , up to your income possibilities.

This to say that there is inelastic markets in respect of prices.

As such, the healthcare system is in position to be paid what it wants
no matter that the customers find the service overpriced.

That is the basis of the equation...

 

[freegeeks]

don't know what you guys are discussing, I'm Belgian and we are all in the same boat together with the USA

the fail boat

 

[RabidMongoose]

Really? Belgium had no government for a long time, the US has the tea party in its government. Having no government is better than a government with the tea party.

 

[Red Dawn]

Really? Belgium had no government for a long time, the US has the tea party in its government. No government is better than a government with the tea party.

Well the Teabaggers make sure dumb asses are represented.

 

[RabidMongoose]

Well the Teabaggers make sure dumb asses are represented.

Yeah. That's why having no government is better than a government having tea baggers in it. These people just want to institute policy that gives us the American South, the poorest place in the entire country.

 

[JockoJohnson]

What we need are fixed levels of government-provided campaign spending, no unreasonable limits on who can run on from which party (say a candidate party needs at least 20,000 registered voters to qualify), no corporate donations of any kind, and a tournament-style system of elections.

Would even the playing field and allow the more rational voices to be heard.

I would love jousting tournaments. It would be great to see Bachmann vs. Palin or Hillary vs. Obama.

 

[Infohawk]

don't know what you guys are discussing, I'm Belgian and we are all in the same boat together with the USA

the fail boat

Exactly. There are ignorant Americans and ignorant Europeans / Canadians / Australians who just have animosity towards the other and try to act like one is better or worse when 95% of the economy functions the same way.