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Americans are moving to Europe for free college degrees

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http://money.cnn.com/2016/02/23/pf/college/free-college-europe/index.html?iid=EL

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Chelsea Workman went to Ohio State University because it was her cheapest option. But she still had to take out student loans and work to make ends meet.

By the middle of her sophomore year, she'd had enough. She dropped out and moved to Germany to finish her degree where college is free.
Hunter Newsome, from California, decided to go to college in Estonia rather than the University of California, Davis -- at the very last minute. He's saving more than $10,000 a year on tuition, and he'll earn a bachelor's degree in three years rather than four.

There are at least 44 schools across Europe where Americans can earn their bachelor's degree for free, according to Jennifer Viemont, the founder of an advising service called Beyond The States.

All public colleges in Germany, Iceland, Norway and Finland are free for residents and international students. And some private schools in the European Union don't charge for tuition either. Many are going out of their way to attract foreigners by offering programs taught entirely in English.

When they do charge for tuition, the bill is paltry compared to the U.S. The average cost of tuition here (without room and board) is currently $9,410 at public colleges and $32,405 at private colleges, while a majority of programs in Europe charge less than $2,225 a year, according to Viemont. Some of the highest tuition for international students is in the Netherlands, but it still tends to be less than $9,000.

Of course, a lot of American students don't pay full price for tuition. For those getting a big scholarship at home, moving to Europe might not be that great a deal. Those at public schools end up paying less than an average of $4,000 when you account for scholarships and grants. Still, that doesn't beat free.

"The cost is what makes people think about going to college abroad, but then they start to see the other benefits like learning a new language, travel opportunities, and being prepared to work in a global economy," Viemont said.

It's not for everyone, though. You won't find frat parties, sorority houses, or football games overseas.

And it might not be the right fit for someone with their heart set on immediately returning home after graduating. There aren't very good stats on how many Americans are getting degrees abroad (there were 47,000 in 2012 compared to 20 million in the U.S.), let alone how employable they are back home. The unique experience might be to your advantage, but it could be hard to find fellow alumni to help with a job hunt in the States.
Overseas, you'll probably have to find your own housing. On average, room and board costs about $10,000 at American colleges, but the students CNNMoney spoke to for this story pay much less in rent in Europe.

They don't have dining halls to go to for meals, though. And they also have to apply for a residency permit or visa, and -- depending on the country -- may have to pay for health insurance.

But these things don't bother these three Americans who are currently getting their college degrees abroad.

Maybe democratic socialism isn't bad.. lets face it.. capitalism has it's share of problems like expensive education and health care and medicine and retirement costs.
 
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Nevermind college, at this point I wish we even had free trade schools. Ultra lean 2 year programs that teach Americans a marketable skill in need of our economy. It would perhaps be a better investment than free college if only because there are many that see college as a social experience, or use it to get willy nilly degrees like liberal arts.

Those at the top of their class can secure scholarships for college. Those not at the very top however could use the help in gearing themselves for blue collar work that pays the bills.
 
This is why i want Bernie to be president. Our educational system is sick. Bernie wants to go the way of europe with their post secondary education.
 
He should plug free 4 year college and "compromise" on free 2 year trade schools. But let's be honest, even in the unlikely event he gives Hillary a smackdown and wins the election there's no way the GoP would go for it. Or anything really.
 
He should plug free 4 year college and "compromise" on free 2 year trade schools. But let's be honest, even in the unlikely event he gives Hillary a smackdown and wins the election there's no way the GoP would go for it. Or anything really.

Yes it's clear what the GOP want.

1. plutocracy
2. turn middle class, working poor into unemployed poor
3. take away voting rights from the poor
4. take away all government subsidies and programs designed to help the poor
5. tell the poor they have to work "really hard"
 
Just because those international students didn't pay for it doesn't mean it's free. Someone had to foot the bill and it was the people working there, paying taxes. Nothing is "free", it's only a question of who is paying for it.
 
"Democratic socialism"

Gotta put that first word in to make the second one look less scary.

And ya see, there are countries that reject the Fuck You I Got Mine attitude that Americans seem ta have, in regards to society. People here want education and healthcare, so we all chip in.
 
Just because those international students didn't pay for it doesn't mean it's free. Someone had to foot the bill and it was the people working there, paying taxes. Nothing is "free", it's only a question of who is paying for it.

Oh wow, thanks for pointing that out. What a fool I've been.:'(
 
He should plug free 4 year college and "compromise" on free 2 year trade schools. But let's be honest, even in the unlikely event he gives Hillary a smackdown and wins the election there's no way the GoP would go for it. Or anything really.

Hard wired into the Repub/Conservative ideology in reference to gov't programs for the middle class and the poor: "If Wall Street can't make a profit from any kind of gov't sponsored program, then it needs to be privatized so they will."

Together with this: "We will obstruct and obstruct and obstruct until the very rich gets the lion's share of anything/everything that the Dems propose to benefit the middle class and the poor."

edit - Too bad this strategy of theirs works so well. And then of course, after the Dems make concessions to get even a little of what they were going for, they then get blamed by the Repubs for not getting anything done for their constituents.
 
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Just because those international students didn't pay for it doesn't mean it's free. Someone had to foot the bill and it was the people working there, paying taxes. Nothing is "free", it's only a question of who is paying for it.

No shit, but i bet on a per student basis, it's a helluva lot more cost effective even if you take into consideration the taxes used to pay for the education.
 
Just because those international students didn't pay for it doesn't mean it's free. Someone had to foot the bill and it was the people working there, paying taxes. Nothing is "free", it's only a question of who is paying for it.

Well they do not need to spend 600 billion a year on defense. We provide free police/defense services for the world. So with the 600 billion savings a year they probably have money left over for free college.
 
I should have did this!

My mom was born in France, so does that make me a French citizen by default? I know there are hurdles that I would have had to work out.
 
The problem in America is people don't stick together. I'd wonder what would happen if no one attended college for one year.

College tuition would plummet.
 
The problem in America is people don't stick together. I'd wonder what would happen if no one attended college for one year.

College tuition would plummet.

The reason why college is so expensive is because we financialized college. College loans ensures everyone can 'afford' college, which causes colleges to waste money on shit.

We need more public colleges and control the hell out of costs.
 
No shit, but i bet on a per student basis, it's a helluva lot more cost effective even if you take into consideration the taxes used to pay for the education.

There are major issues if you try to bring this into the US, one is just the vast population difference. Stuff like this works in a smaller country because it is a tighter community, they hold each other accountable for their actions.

In the US? You can't hold anyone accountable, just look at the diversity we have right now. The younger generation just doesn't give a shit and feel entitled to get easy grades. Back when I was growing up, it was parents and teachers working together to make sure the kid gets a proper education and good grades. Now, it's the kids and parents ganging up on the teachers to make sure that their special snowflake gets good grades, even if he/she doesn't deserve it.

This creates students that are unfit to receive free education, they would just squander the opportunity. I do not feel like footing the bill for kids who do not deserve it. Now if you put in heavy requirements like straight As, top 5% of SAT scores, etc, then I would be more inclined. But free school for all? Fuck that.
 
He should plug free 4 year college and "compromise" on free 2 year trade schools. But let's be honest, even in the unlikely event he gives Hillary a smackdown and wins the election there's no way the GoP would go for it. Or anything really.

Gee, an additional 25% taxation for a product that's been getting worth less and less. What's not to like?
 
So Europe's got this.

WTF is the problem?

Export all our college students so they can get FREE! college in Europe. Done.

Europeans will love it. Americans share in the (now international) freebietrain. Win-win.

I fail to see what anyone is tossing up their hands and gnashing teeth over.
 
heh. It sure is nice of European taxpayers to subsidize American college students. I wonder if that's what they think they signed up for.

We are absolutely HAPPY and EAGER to subsidize (ANY) students since we realized, long ago, that good education for people benefits the society and economy 🙂 Yes, it's really true!
 
As for this university of Deggendorf...I am a little surprised since I thought Deggendorf is a Bumfvcktown in Southern Bavaria, which it still sort-of is. Didn't know they had such a big University. I checked this today a bit, here's a PDF:

https://www.th-deg.de/files/0/international_2015.pdf

For students outside Europe it's not *entirely* free, for example you need to provide proof you can pay your rent, you will have to buy health insurance etc.... total monthly costs including for rent, food, insurance and "recreational expenses" are €678. (Obviously you would have to pay rent anywhere else in the world too)

Then there are one-time costs like (expected) deposit for apt between €600-€700 and some change for chip card, admission fee etc.
 
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