Re-enlist for 3 years or be send to Iraq (after serving there for over a year)? Which one would you chose?
Soldiers say they are being threatened with Iraq duty
Soldiers say they are being threatened with Iraq duty
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American troops are being blackmailed!
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Darkhawk28
Diamond Member
OMG. :shocked:
LordMagnusKain
Banned
Sounds like preferential treatment to the most loyal of Americans.
I?m for it.
Sometimes you've got to have a group that'll be around for the next X years and if they aren?t going to be then they need to go else ware for the remaining time.
Darkhawk28
Diamond Member
Wow, there's a shock. :roll:
What's next? Prima Nocta (Nocte)?
LordMagnusKain
Banned
about as shocking that you libies being against rewarding those who are willing to sacrifice more of their lives for this country.
yes, but only with a hippy liberal's wife
Darkhawk28
Diamond Member
How is that rewarding the soldiers? C'mon, tell me.
Darkhawk28
Diamond Member
Still waiting.
LordMagnusKain
Banned
nah man, i'm poor, not stupid.
your right, it's not. There is just a strategic need for re-deployment of troupes at home that needs to last for three years, so anyone who can't fill that is going to need to be re-allocated to the battle front.
This has been happening for over a year with some of the Guard units where I llive. We have a friend of the family who was threatened with reinlisting and being allowed to go home for two weeke then returing to Iraq for 6 months (he had already been there for 6 months), or not reinlisting and being involutarilly extended and spending an additional 12 months there. He chose to reinlist to see his 9 month old daughter. He is back for good after spending a full year there. FYI I served 5 years active in the Army, so I know how the miltary operates, extensions are nothing new, just not on this scale affecting so many people. Absolutely disgusting how this administration is treating our soldiers. :disgust:
xxxxxJohnGaltxxxxx
Banned
Judging from the responses, am I to assume none of you have been stationed in a rapid deployment unit, or served in a critical MOS?
Darkhawk28
Diamond Member
Alright, I'll agree that we're short on troops, but that is NOT the way to go about it. They talk about keeping a soldier's morale high, but strongarming them into re-enlisting is not the way morale is raised, just resentment.
Darkhawk28
Diamond Member
Sadly, it's not surprising really, just disheartening.
<- - - - - 20 year Army vet.
There is no "blackmail" involved although this makes for a nice little bleeding heart story.
The fact of the matter is that yes, depending upon time remaining in service, some soldiers could indeed return to Iraq with their unit. However, the key factor here is time remaining in service.
If a soldier is short, say 8 months or less, then I seriously doubt the he or she deploys with the unit. What the reenlisment folks stated to these shortimers merely reflects the reality of the situation in conjunction with available options.
There is no "blackmail" involved although this makes for a nice little bleeding heart story.
The fact of the matter is that yes, depending upon time remaining in service, some soldiers could indeed return to Iraq with their unit. However, the key factor here is time remaining in service.
If a soldier is short, say 8 months or less, then I seriously doubt the he or she deploys with the unit. What the reenlisment folks stated to these shortimers merely reflects the reality of the situation in conjunction with available options.
It doesn't matter what your MOS is atm, not like they are using most of them any way. A local Guard unit was deployed from here less than two months ago, they were sent to Teaxs for two months of 'peace keeping' and infantry training. They are a heavy Artillary unit. One guy I work with was totally pissed that he has given 13 years to the Army National Guard and they essentially changed the whole units MOS and deployed them. They should be on the ground by now, hope all goes well and they return safely.
Edit: They didn't take their artillary pieces as they won't need them (ie Palidin tanks).
Darkhawk28
Diamond Member
I don?t think some of you have considered the negative consequences of blackmailing soldiers into service. It is extremely dangerous to have a division on the battle field, where one group of soldiers is not willing to fight ~ because of simple exhaustion or even worse, psychological problems.
It might be time to send some replacements ~ it could be called 101st Keyboarder Division, made up of all the loudmouths on these forums who are so vocal in support of war.
Hmmm?on the other hand, I don?t think we would want to see a bunch of useless idiots with guns, running through Iraqi cities.
It might be time to send some replacements ~ it could be called 101st Keyboarder Division, made up of all the loudmouths on these forums who are so vocal in support of war.
Hmmm?on the other hand, I don?t think we would want to see a bunch of useless idiots with guns, running through Iraqi cities.
LordMagnusKain
Banned
uh huh? dude, your not some douche-bag chuckle head, you can do better than that.
I?m simply suggesting that there may be valid strategic reasons that you need a group at home on a 3 year stint, and everyone not able to serve that out would need to be relocated. Or as this fellow said:
It?s not ?add 3 years to your duty or go to iraq? it?s ?we need you for 3 years if your going to be deployed else ware, otherwise you?ll serve your time in Iraq". So, although a tough decision for some that want to stay near home, we don?t need to:
there is no black-mail, it?s just a mater of how the troupes need to be aligned, and if they have enough years remaining to keep at home, or if the lower remaining service means they need a more generic Iraq assignment. Even if you disagree with that, isn?t it only fair that you give people who are willing to spend more of their lives serving our country an easier time of doing so than those who?ll gain the same veterans benefits with less time in service?
hells ya, then I could pop me some towel heads.
Ars.:roll:
When one signs on the dotted line, one agrees to 8 years of service - X years active, X years Ready Reserve. Some soldiers have been involuntarily extended past their initial term of service. Army PERSCOM says that attempts are made to preclude previously extended, active-duty soldiers from redeploying to Iraq.
Indeed, leaders generally take factors such as fatigue, psychological disorders and personal problems into consideration before deploying a soldier with their unit. During deployments, soldiers are monitored too. For example, from April 03 to March 04, over 5,000 soldiers returned early from Iraq to the US/home station not because wounds/injuries but rather on account of personal or psychological problems.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yet another sophomorically juvenile rant based on no clue of how the system operates. If you think you can contribute as much or more than the "loudmouths on these forums", then I'm sure an Armed Forces recruiter would be happy to discuss the situation.
EDIT: Missing sentence.
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