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American killed fighting for IDF

SandEagle

SandEagle

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http://www.slate.com/articles/news_...onvinces_american_jews_to_embrace_israel.html

so this American kid gets killed in Gaza fighting for the IDF. Since when did we allow American citizens to join foreign armies to fight foreign wars?

A lot of hoopla was made about the Florida Palestinian teen who got his ass handed to him by the IDF. People were upset that he, as an American, was over in Gaza throwing stones. But this guy decides to go full on war and is given a hero's burial? Talk about hypocrisy.

If India was to to war with Africa, will I, as an American Indian be able to join the Indian army? Can I join the African army because I symphathize with their cause? Where do we draw the line?
 
SandEagle said:
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_...onvinces_american_jews_to_embrace_israel.html

so this American kid gets killed in Gaza fighting for the IDF. Since when did we allow American citizens to join foreign armies to fight foreign wars?

A lot of hoopla was made about the Florida Palestinian teen who got his ass handed to him by the IDF. People were upset that he, as an American, was over in Gaza throwing stones. But this guy decides to go full on war and is given a hero's burial? Talk about hypocrisy.

If India was to to war with Africa, will I, as an American Indian be able to join the Indian army? Can I join the African army because I symphathize with their cause? Where do we draw the line?
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Seems it isn't up to the USA if he joins or not.

If Israel allows him to join their army it is Israel's choice, not ours.

He was fighting terrorist = Hero in my book.

That would be up to India.


That would be up to Africa.
 
so this American kid gets killed in Gaza fighting for the IDF. Since when did we allow American citizens to join foreign armies to fight foreign wars?
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Since Israel came into being it has accepted dual citizenship. Hundreds of thousands of Americans and Germans hold Israeli passports.
Duals of military age are expected to serve in the IDF unless they are from the head-banging variety of ultra-orthodox Haredim, the sort you see dressed in fur coats and fur hats on a 100 degree F day in Haifa.

Lots of American kids commute from New York to do their bit of Palestinian-goading on the West Bank. It's a popular sport.

The only limit on those with dual nationality in Israel is contained in the "Basic Law". Members serving in the Knesset are expect to avoid accusations of 'divided loyalties' by revoking their second or tertiary passports.

I don't really see what surprises you about this, it predates passports. Many immigrants, and America and Israel are full of immigrants, cherish a fondness for their 'homeland' even if they have not been there for 2,000 years and have interbred with other groups ever since.
Irish Americans who have never been to Ireland want to be buried there. Indians and Pakistanis in the UK often retire to, or seek burial in, their homeland.
The Jewish crook Robert Maxwell, who started life as a Czech and later became a Brit, is buried on the Mount of Olives. But graves there are expensive.

As for fighting for causes overseas, this was very common in the Spanish civil war, heard of George Orwell?
500 British Muslims are now fighting in Syria, but ISIS has probably absorbed a few?
People who have been victims of racism often cherish dreams of a 'perfect homeland' somewhere else. This leads to myth-histories of the popular Zionist sort.
 
Many US pilots have gone overseas and fought in different wars before the US entered (if at all)

Example:
Spain (pre WWII)
England WW1/WW2
China WW2
 
SandEagle said:
so this American kid gets killed in Gaza fighting for the IDF. Since when did we allow American citizens to join foreign armies to fight foreign wars?

A lot of hoopla was made about the Florida Palestinian teen who got his ass handed to him by the IDF. People were upset that he, as an American, was over in Gaza throwing stones. But this guy decides to go full on war and is given a hero's burial? Talk about hypocrisy.

If India was to to war with Africa, will I, as an American Indian be able to join the Indian army? Can I join the African army because I symphathize with their cause? Where do we draw the line?
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outrage not found!!
 
SandEagle said:
so this American kid gets killed in Gaza fighting for the IDF. Since when did we allow American citizens to join foreign armies to fight foreign wars?

A lot of hoopla was made about the Florida Palestinian teen who got his ass handed to him by the IDF. People were upset that he, as an American, was over in Gaza throwing stones. But this guy decides to go full on war and is given a hero's burial? Talk about hypocrisy.

If India was to to war with Africa, will I, as an American Indian be able to join the Indian army? Can I join the African army because I symphathize with their cause? Where do we draw the line?
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There is a difference between joining IDF and Hamas. Israel is friendly towards the USA, where as hamas isn't. Who out the following is more likely to be anti-american? An IDF veteran or a ex-Hamas terrorist?


And btw the last thing the Indian Army needs is overweight slobs like you who sit at their computer and troll internet forums all day. Unless you plan on being a clown to entertain soldiers during their free time.
 
inf1nity said:
There is a difference between joining IDF and Hamas. Israel is friendly towards the USA, where as hamas isn't.
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That would explain why Jonathan Pollard was given life for spying for Israel, then?

It is certainly true that the USA is wildly keen on Israel. AIPAC have cleverly persuaded Congress to fund a good slab of the IDF budget.
But if this relationship is so mutual and cozy, why would Israel need to spy on its big goy friend?
Where does Pollard wish to live on his release.....?
 
SandEagle said:
If India was to to war with Africa, will I, as an American Indian be able to join the Indian army? Can I join the African army because I symphathize with their cause? Where do we draw the line?
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Well India does give their international diasporia full right as nationals of India.
 
As an American you cannot go to Israel and join the IDF!
You must be Jewish and have dual citizenship in order to join the IDF!
Also if you have duel citizenship the Israel has rules concerning mandatory military service...
 
Naturalized Israeli citizens are not allowed to maintain dual citizenship. Citizens of Israel, who have immigrated to another country but still maintain citizenship with Israel, retain certain military obligations to the state of Israel. These obligations come into force if the person returns to live in Israel for an extended period. The Consulate states that these obligations only affect dual citizens.
 
JEDIYoda said:
As an American you cannot go to Israel and join the IDF!
You must be Jewish and have dual citizenship in order to join the IDF!
Also if you have duel citizenship the Israel has rules concerning mandatory military service...
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how can I get duel citizenship? can i apply for duel American-Indian citizenship?😕
 
JEDIYoda said:
Naturalized Israeli citizens are not allowed to maintain dual citizenship. Citizens of Israel, who have immigrated to another country but still maintain citizenship with Israel, retain certain military obligations to the state of Israel. These obligations come into force if the person returns to live in Israel for an extended period. The Consulate states that these obligations only affect dual citizens.
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Dual citizens are not required to perform military service.
 
norseamd said:
Dual citizens are not required to perform military service.
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That depends.....on several things.....

Israel allows its citizens to hold dual (or multiple) citizenship.

A dual national is considered an Israeli citizen for all purposes, and is entitled to enter Israel without a visa, stay in Israel according to his own desire, engage in any profession and work with any employer according to Israeli law. An exception is that under an additional law added to the Basic Law: the Knesset (Article 16A) according to which Knesset members cannot pledge allegiance unless their foreign citizenship has been revoked, if possible, under the laws of that country.

A dual national is not considered a foreign citizen under Israeli Security Service Law and is subject to a mandatory military service according to that law; is considered a citizen regarding the criminal liability of Israeli civilians according to the Israeli Penal Law (and accordingly is not entitled to consular access by a representative of the other country); and is considered a citizen according to the Israeli laws of personal status, such as the authority jurisdiction of the rabbinical courts in the matters of marriage and divorce, according to the Israeli Rabbinical courts jurisdictions law. [4]

Israeli citizens cannot renounce Israeli citizenship. They can apply to the Israeli Minister of Interior to cancel their citizenship. The final decision is that of the Minister, who can refuse the application, according to his own discretion. The policy of the Minister has so far made it difficult for people to give up citizenship, requiring them, among other things, to prove that they have been living outside of Israel for a long time.[5]
 
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Craig234 said:
Americans have long served in foreign wars. For example, in the Spanish civil war, many liberal Americans went to fight against the fascist Franco, as I understand (and lost).

American doesn't seem to have much position on it, you're on your own, unless you stumble into something that is viewed as opposed to the US.

The young man who had gone to Afghanistan and the Taliban before 9/11, had never been in any hostilities against the US - the US had given the Taliban $50 million in aid in the year before 9/11 - suddenly found himself a poster boy for American's vengeance after that all changed with 9/11, and when he was captured with the Taliban - still never having had any violent act against the US - many Americans called for his execution as a traitor and he was sentenced to 20 years in prison as the nation watched and took out their rage on him.

So be a bit careful of getting involved if it might become a group at odds with the US.
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do you have a name on this young man who went to Afghanistan? i would like to expose this lie as well.
 
Craig234 said:
Americans have long served in foreign wars. For example, in the Spanish civil war, many liberal Americans went to fight against the fascist Franco, as I understand (and lost).

American doesn't seem to have much position on it, you're on your own, unless you stumble into something that is viewed as opposed to the US.

The young man who had gone to Afghanistan and the Taliban before 9/11, had never been in any hostilities against the US - the US had given the Taliban $50 million in aid in the year before 9/11 - suddenly found himself a poster boy for American's vengeance after that all changed with 9/11, and when he was captured with the Taliban - still never having had any violent act against the US - many Americans called for his execution as a traitor and he was sentenced to 20 years in prison as the nation watched and took out their rage on him.

So be a bit careful of getting involved if it might become a group at odds with the US.
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You're tell me he joined the Taliban and had no idea of their intentions to attack America and kill American citizens? He might not have known about 9/11 directly, but he damn well knew they were planning and going to carry out some kind of attacks in the future.
 
Craig234 said:
You don't remember? Jonathan Walker Lindh.

What lie?
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he's probably an agent procateur stirring up trouble to keep the war against brown people going on as long as possible. why would anyone join Islam to fight? qui bono? who benefits? certainly not muslims. lot of fake al-qaedas caught red-handed. see example in link below. particularly yahya azzam (lol). he dropped off the media radar as soon as it was reported that his grandpa was a prominent Jew with the JDL.

http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?p=29144980
 
smackababy said:
You're tell me he joined the Taliban and had no idea of their intentions to attack America and kill American citizens? He might not have known about 9/11 directly, but he damn well knew they were planning and going to carry out some kind of attacks in the future.
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Yes, I am. The Taliban didn't HAVE planning to carry out an attack on the US, much less planning that this kid would have known about. They were happy to run Afghanistan as a fundamentalist Islamic state, they had no idea about attacking the US. The US attack was the idea of Osama bin Laden, with his organization Al Queda. The Taliban did give Al Queda a 'safe base', but had no interest I see in an attack on the US.
 
SandEagle said:
he's probably an agent procateur stirring up trouble to keep the war against brown people going on as long as possible. why would anyone join Islam to fight? qui bono? who benefits? certainly not muslims. lot of fake al-qaedas caught red-handed. see example in link below. particularly yahya azzam (lol). he dropped off the media radar as soon as it was reported that his grandpa was a prominent Jew with the JDL.

http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?p=29144980
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That makes no sense. He joined because he agreed with them - he's not the first American to convert. Heck, there was just a Dr. Phil show about a young woman converting while her mother is hysterical about it, though she is a normal, very moderate person; there was an 'all-American' kid who radicalized and went overseas to become a terrorist in Yemen, reported on Al Gore's old TV network.

While there may be the sort of 'false flag' activities you mention, it makes so sense to accuse Lindh of that. His activities are from before 9/11, when it had no effect on anything, and his actions never did have any effect other than to provide a media story by finding an American and putting him in jail for 20 years. There's no sense to your accusation.
 
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