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Nevada

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i had my doubts about this movie at first but i was sure wrong. definitely a great movie. part of my dvd collection now.
 
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her209

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I kept waiting for Ahhnold to pop out and kill all the white supremacists.
 
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Broohaha

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it's alright but i thought it did a poor job of explaining how the ed norton dude went from being a complete xenophobe to a tolerant guy. i mean the buttsex in prison and the kind/friendly black prisoners is good and all but his hatred seemed so deep-rooted that it seemed like a real quick and easy way to move the story along.
 
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SSP

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Originally posted by: Broohaha
it's alright but i thought it did a poor job of explaining how the ed norton dude went from being a complete xenophobe to a tolerant guy. i mean the buttsex in prison and the kind/friendly black prisoners is good and all but his hatred seemed so deep-rooted that it seemed like a real quick and easy way to move the story along.
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I dont think it was as deep rooted as you think. He only became that way when his father was killed, before that he was a normal kid, so its not like they raised him in a KKK daycare.
 
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Sunner

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Originally posted by: Broohaha
it's alright but i thought it did a poor job of explaining how the ed norton dude went from being a complete xenophobe to a tolerant guy. i mean the buttsex in prison and the kind/friendly black prisoners is good and all but his hatred seemed so deep-rooted that it seemed like a real quick and easy way to move the story along.
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It wasn't merely about those two things.
When he entered prison, he immediately let everyone know who he was, or rather what he stood for, and quickly found his likes in the other Nazis/racists, and hung out with them.
But he seemed to be the only one with some kind of real conviction, remember for example the scene where he sees one of them dealing with one of the black people, and he says something like "What the he** is doing talking with that black guy?" and one of his "friends" tells him they're tired of his preaching babble, or something to that effect.
As this happens, he realizes they don't have the kind of morals and code he seems to value, which drives him away from them, and where does that leave his opinions about his old friends, seeing as they are pretty much the same?

And having to work with the black guy did it's part.
He starts out really cold, not talking to him unless he really had to, but eventually, when the black guy(I forget his name) does an immitation of a KKK guy, he actually starts laughing, maybe realizing they're not all bad?

The belief that the racists(arian warriors, whatever) is torn away as he realizes they're not the noble warriors he thought, but rather just another bunch of scum, except one centered around the hatered for non-whites.
The discovery that he can actually laugh and talk with one of the people he used to hate.

Where does that leave a person like that?

At least that's my interpretation.
 
GregGreen

GregGreen

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Originally posted by: Sunner
Originally posted by: Broohaha
it's alright but i thought it did a poor job of explaining how the ed norton dude went from being a complete xenophobe to a tolerant guy. i mean the buttsex in prison and the kind/friendly black prisoners is good and all but his hatred seemed so deep-rooted that it seemed like a real quick and easy way to move the story along.
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It wasn't merely about those two things.
When he entered prison, he immediately let everyone know who he was, or rather what he stood for, and quickly found his likes in the other Nazis/racists, and hung out with them.
But he seemed to be the only one with some kind of real conviction, remember for example the scene where he sees one of them dealing with one of the black people, and he says something like "What the he** is doing talking with that black guy?" and one of his "friends" tells him they're tired of his preaching babble, or something to that effect.
As this happens, he realizes they don't have the kind of morals and code he seems to value, which drives him away from them, and where does that leave his opinions about his old friends, seeing as they are pretty much the same?

And having to work with the black guy did it's part.
He starts out really cold, not talking to him unless he really had to, but eventually, when the black guy(I forget his name) does an immitation of a KKK guy, he actually starts laughing, maybe realizing they're not all bad?

The belief that the racists(arian warriors, whatever) is torn away as he realizes they're not the noble warriors he thought, but rather just another bunch of scum, except one centered around the hatered for non-whites.
The discovery that he can actually laugh and talk with one of the people he used to hate.

Where does that leave a person like that?

At least that's my interpretation.
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really excellent way of explaining it
 
Triumph

Triumph

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Oct 9, 1999
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Originally posted by: Broohaha
it's alright but i thought it did a poor job of explaining how the ed norton dude went from being a complete xenophobe to a tolerant guy. i mean the buttsex in prison and the kind/friendly black prisoners is good and all but his hatred seemed so deep-rooted that it seemed like a real quick and easy way to move the story along.
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I disagree. Between the black guy he worked with, the phony nazi group in jail, Commander Sisko, the butt sex, and the realization that he had been used by his former mentor, it was a pretty compelling case for him switching his views. Plus this all happened in the span of a couple of years.
 
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MrDingleDangle

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Originally posted by: Anghang
Originally posted by: Spoooon
Originally posted by: Tabb
Originally posted by: jjsole
the teeth-to-curb trick still freaks me out.
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God that would fscking hurt....
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No kidding. I don't think I could ever do that to anyone.
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hmm...i think i could if the situation was right...hehe...
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in that situation i would run...i would rather be shot or beaten to death then to have that happen

thats the only part of any movie i have ever seen that i still cant bare to watch...or hear
 
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phatj

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Originally posted by: jjsole
the teeth-to-curb trick still freaks me out.
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put your teeth on the f*ing curb! Crunch. Bleh it hurts even thinking about it.
 
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