Damn, good argument and I missed it 
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It's clear that this whole argument was flawed right from the beginning. People seemed to complain that USA was not allowed to fly it's flag. Wrong! each and every country flies their flags in the olympics! People complained that USA wasn't allowed to fly that one particular flag. What's the problem with that? IOC's ruling was the right one. IOC as an organisation might be political, and there might be politics involved in the selection-process of the host-cities. But the actual event, The Olympics, has always tried to be non-political sporting-event. Sometimes, individual countries have tried to turn it political by boycotts and assasinations. But those things are beyond the control of IOC.
The Olympics is not about politics, and it should not be turned in to political event.
!It's clear that this whole argument was flawed right from the beginning. People seemed to complain that USA was not allowed to fly it's flag. Wrong! each and every country flies their flags in the olympics! People complained that USA wasn't allowed to fly that one particular flag. What's the problem with that? IOC's ruling was the right one. IOC as an organisation might be political, and there might be politics involved in the selection-process of the host-cities. But the actual event, The Olympics, has always tried to be non-political sporting-event. Sometimes, individual countries have tried to turn it political by boycotts and assasinations. But those things are beyond the control of IOC.
The Olympics is not about politics, and it should not be turned in to political event.
The Olympics is not about politics, and it should not be turned in to political event.
my god, have you people no compassion?! what part of "this is not about politics" do you not understand? this is about innocent people losing their lives. there is nothing about that flag that says any one group is wrong, or whatever. it's a tribute to those who lost their lives. it's not like we're putting up a giant sign that says "go democracy, go!"
in the 1972 games, flags were flown at half mast... are you going to call that political too?
my god, have you people no compassion?! what part of "this is not about politics" do you not understand? this is about innocent people losing their lives. there is nothing about that flag that says any one group is wrong, or whatever. it's a tribute to those who lost their lives. it's not like we're putting up a giant sign that says "go democracy, go!"
in the 1972 games, flags were flown at half mast... are you going to call that political too?
<< The Olympics is not about politics, and it should not be turned in to political event.
my god, have you people no compassion?! what part of "this is not about politics" do you not understand? this is about innocent people losing their lives. there is nothing about that flag that says any one group is wrong, or whatever. it's a tribute to those who lost their lives. it's not like we're putting up a giant sign that says "go democracy, go!" >>
January, 2001. Earthquake hits India, killing over 10.000 people. Did India get the right to fly somekind of special flag in the Olympics (well, obviously not in the winter olympics)? No. Do african nations fly some special flag because people die of malnutrition there? No. Does Algeria fly a special flag because thousands of their people die because of islamic fundamentalists? No. Does Turkey fly some special flag, they too got hit by a earthquake? No.
There are alot more suffering going on around the world than the one incident that hit USA. They don't get any special rights in the olympics because of that, why should USA?
January, 2001. Earthquake hits India, killing over 10.000 people. Did India get the right to fly somekind of special flag in the Olympics (well, obviously not in the winter olympics)? No. Do african nations fly some special flag because people die of malnutrition there? No. Does Algeria fly a special flag because thousands of their people die because of islamic fundamentalists? No. Does Turkey fly some special flag, they too got hit by a earthquake? No.
did any of those countries request a special flag to be flown?
There are alot more suffering going on around the world than the one incident that hit USA. They don't get any special rights in the olympics because of that, why should USA?
they shouldn't, they should get to fly whatever gd flag they want, when they host the games.
did any of those countries request a special flag to be flown?
There are alot more suffering going on around the world than the one incident that hit USA. They don't get any special rights in the olympics because of that, why should USA?
they shouldn't, they should get to fly whatever gd flag they want, when they host the games.
<< January, 2001. Earthquake hits India, killing over 10.000 people. Did India get the right to fly somekind of special flag in the Olympics (well, obviously not in the winter olympics)? No. Do african nations fly some special flag because people die of malnutrition there? No. Does Algeria fly a special flag because thousands of their people die because of islamic fundamentalists? No. Does Turkey fly some special flag, they too got hit by a earthquake? No.
did any of those countries request a special flag to be flown? >>
No, because Olympics is not the place to do that.
There are alot more suffering going on around the world than the one incident that hit USA. They don't get any special rights in the olympics because of that, why should USA?
they shouldn't, they should get to fly whatever gd flag they want, when they host the games.[/i] >>
Like it was already said, USA is the host, but USA is also the guest. And besides, you did get to fly that flag. It's the official US flag flying right next to the Olympic Flame, what is the problem?
No, because Olympics is not the place to do that.
i don't think that's why they didn't request it...
Like it was already said, USA is the host, but USA is also the guest. And besides, you did get to fly that flag. It's the official US flag flying right next to the Olympic Flame, what is the problem?
as i recall, the problem seemed to be about the flag in the opening ceremony.
i don't think that's why they didn't request it...
Like it was already said, USA is the host, but USA is also the guest. And besides, you did get to fly that flag. It's the official US flag flying right next to the Olympic Flame, what is the problem?
as i recall, the problem seemed to be about the flag in the opening ceremony.
you did get to fly that flag. It's the official US flag flying right next to the Olympic Flame, what is the problem?
they are right the flag is too political. its not like we arent flying A flag at all, just a particular one. The olympics is supposed to be objective. its supposed to be about athletics and not a particular country.
<< No, because Olympics is not the place to do that.
i don't think that's why they didn't request it... >>
Why should they request it? Why should Olympics, a sporting even, be used to highlight their suffering? Olympics is about sport.
<< Like it was already said, USA is the host, but USA is also the guest. And besides, you did get to fly that flag. It's the official US flag flying right next to the Olympic Flame, what is the problem?
as i recall, the problem seemed to be about the flag in the opening ceremony. >>
Well, besides IOC's understandable "no politics" approach, there are practical problems. Isn't that flag HUGE? How would they be able to carry it around? And having USA carry a huge american flag while others had smaller flags hardly seems equal. And having each country carry huge flags of their own would cause even more problems.
Fact is, Olympics is not the place for these kinds of things. And you got your flag, there's no problem.
<< Anybody tried slipping one of these IOC guys a twenty. Bribery seems to be something these guys are for. Just a thought. >>
I guess this worked. CNN is reporting that the flag will be carried in the opening ceremony by "US athletes and other heroes" and then will take its' place in the traditional host country position.
Nemesis77: Since you come from a country as worthless as Finland, we can't expect you to have any concept of what it feels like to be patriotic and actually have some pride in your country. Now go rub off on your Nokia phone. Cheers.
<< Nemesis77: Since you come from a country as worthless as Finland, we can't expect you to have any concept of what it feels like to be patriotic and actually have some pride in your country. Now go rub off on your Nokia phone. Cheers. >>
Thanks! I love you too
! It's nice to know that there are mature and intelligent people here who have something intelligent to contribute to the discussion
. thank you sir, you have restored my faith in humanity.<< Nemesis77: Since you come from a country as worthless as Finland, we can't expect you to have any concept of what it feels like to be patriotic and actually have some pride in your country. Now go rub off on your Nokia phone. Cheers. >>
As an American, I hope you're not... Because comments like that represent everything I'm ashamed of about my country.
In any case, Olympics are indeed political, at least in the sense they draw countries together during peacetime and encourage some lighthearted competition... If India had requested something special be done for the 100,000 people who died in the earthquake, or if African countries requested somehting for the starving people, whatever, it should be granted. It's all about unity...
Similiarly, if the US requested their WTC flag be raised, it should as well. Especially because terrorism is global, and it is a reminder to the global community of that.
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<< Nemesis77: Since you come from a country as worthless as Finland, we can't expect you to have any concept of what it feels like to be patriotic and actually have some pride in your country. Now go rub off on your Nokia phone. Cheers. >>
Thanks! I love you too
! It's nice to know that there are mature and intelligent people here who have something intelligent to contribute to the discussion
. thank you sir, you have restored my faith in humanity. >>Yep, we should all show love and devotion towards "special" poeple like him. Its not his fault he was born a retard who makes Forrest Gump look like Einstein, nor is it his fault that his left him in dumpster....
so sad..
I just love it when we can just sit around the calming glow of a computer monitor and have such heart felt discussions that bring us all closer together.
I?m totally psyched that those effete, arrogant, and bribe taking, one-world-socialist bastards at the IOC saw the folly of their ways.
Now the part that I resent is the fact when you bribe these fascists they don?t stay bribed. They keep coming back for more dead presidents if there is a problem. Do they have no shame?
As for other countries that have problems that want some special recognition, do what we did. Save your pennies and dimes, round up your best looking hookers and treat the IOC right when they come to town. If you can?t play with the big dogs, stay off the porch.
God Bless The U.S.A.
I?m totally psyched that those effete, arrogant, and bribe taking, one-world-socialist bastards at the IOC saw the folly of their ways.
Now the part that I resent is the fact when you bribe these fascists they don?t stay bribed. They keep coming back for more dead presidents if there is a problem. Do they have no shame?
As for other countries that have problems that want some special recognition, do what we did. Save your pennies and dimes, round up your best looking hookers and treat the IOC right when they come to town. If you can?t play with the big dogs, stay off the porch.
God Bless The U.S.A.
Do the Palestinians get to fly a special flag because they are being oppressed by the racist Israelis? Do they get to have banners publicly accepted such as "Free Tibet <- replaced with Palestine"?
No, because the Israelis are "acceptable" oppressors, as opposed to say, unacceptable oppressors, such as China or dare I say Nazis.
Had to get that off my chest.
As an American, proud supporter of Pat Buchanan, I have to agree: it's just a piece of cloth. No reason to see it for something more then it is - a simple piece of cloth, similar to any other cloth. Does it have attached importance to it? No, no more so then you attach to it. As for attaching importance, well, isn't that almost a "false idol"?
It's 11:37PM, haven't slept in days, have the flu, so excuse any grammer/spelling.
No, because the Israelis are "acceptable" oppressors, as opposed to say, unacceptable oppressors, such as China or dare I say Nazis.
Had to get that off my chest.
As an American, proud supporter of Pat Buchanan, I have to agree: it's just a piece of cloth. No reason to see it for something more then it is - a simple piece of cloth, similar to any other cloth. Does it have attached importance to it? No, no more so then you attach to it. As for attaching importance, well, isn't that almost a "false idol"?
It's 11:37PM, haven't slept in days, have the flu, so excuse any grammer/spelling.
come on now.. as much as i love this nation...
This is an INTERNATIONAL event... And let's play by the rules.. if the commitee rules so... Then let it be so... We'll just have to kick some major butt in the actual events themselves =)
This is an INTERNATIONAL event... And let's play by the rules.. if the commitee rules so... Then let it be so... We'll just have to kick some major butt in the actual events themselves =)
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