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American democracy is over

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ivwshane said:
Any word from those who didn’t vote for Harris because of Palestine?
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Any word from the administration that decided to do a genocide and then is shocked that a block of voters who cared about such things declined to vote for them?
 
MrSquished said:
You have no idea how politics work to absolve the opposition of any responsibility on how to operate in a difficult environment.

That's just ridiculous. Dangerous. Insane. And your thinking will result in total submission and no functional opposition.
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Except I do, and I didnt't absolve the opposition of any respnsibilty. I said the majority of the failure falls on the voters. What you seem to want is a car salesman, to win over voters, thinking that is how politics works, or should work, and how voting works. That ideology is exactly why this country's leadership has erroded over decades, and we got trump. Because the voters, voted for the car salesman over facts and truth, because he said what they wanted to hear, and sold them on lies. It's the voter's responsibility to educate themselves on issues, canidiates, etc, and base their vote on the information they gathered, not the otherway around relying on the media and car salesman's (politicians) sales pitches.

What's really perplexing, is you are blaming the democrats, blame Biden, blame Harris because they didn't push back, didn't get the messaging out.. etc.. yet you admitted that Harris told us that this was going to happen, so you already disproved your own argument. In fact it wasn't just Harris, it was various democrate leaders, including Biden, who did push back and such, on many differnt plateforms. Which means, that voters didn't care, ignored it, or what have you. I guess they should have resorted to taking a club to the voter's heads and beating them into summision, as it seems that is the only way voters will give their due dilligents to what is right in front of them.

Now as for the governing side of the equation, such as making legislation, we already have one party who votes against the other party no matter what it is, and doens't care about what's best for the citizens. How will it help the citizens, or the country if both parties start doing it? I know you think that the democrats should be doing something now, but you don't seem to realize that due to the voters, they dont have any meaningful power to do so, due to republicans having majority and control in every part of our federal govement.
 
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NWRMidnight said:
Except I do, and I didnt't absolve the opposition of any respnsibilty. I said the majority of the failure falls on the voters. What you seem to want is a car salesman, to win over voters, thinking that is how politics works, or should work, and how voting works. That ideology is exactly why this country's leadership has erroded over decades, and we got trump. Because the voters, voted for the car salesman over facts and truth, because he said what they wanted to hear, and sold them on lies. It's the voter's responsibility to educate themselves on issues, canidiates, etc, and base their vote on the information they gathered, not the otherway around relying on the media and car salesman's (politicians) sales pitches.

What's really perplexing, is you are blaming the democrats, blame Biden, blame Harris because they didn't push back, didn't get the messaging out.. etc.. yet you admitted that Harris told us that this was going to happen, so you already disproved your own argument. In fact it wasn't just Harris, it was various democrate leaders, including Biden, who did push back and such, on many differnt plateforms. Which means, that voters didn't care, ignored it, or what have you. I guess they should have resorted to taking a club to the voter's heads and beating them into summision, as it seems that is the only way voters will give their due dilligents to what is right in front of them.
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You just keep repeating your same nonsense. It's obscene.

It's only the voter's fault what they do - the opposition party has no ability to affect this - is your implication. The point is not if they pushed back, it's how. And you refuse to assign them some responsibility. You are a fool.

The Democrats could have done a lot better but they have too many people that think like you in the party. Very disappointing that you people still haven't learned a goddamn thing. You enjoy the ignorance. It's MAGA like in that regard.
 
MrSquished said:
You just keep repeating your same nonsense. It's obscene.

It's only the voter's fault what they do - the opposition party has no ability to affect this - is your implication. The point is not if they pushed back, it's how. And you refuse to assign them some responsibility. You are a fool.

The Democrats could have done a lot better but they have too many people that think like you in the party. Very disappointing that you people still haven't learned a goddamn thing. You enjoy the ignorance. It's MAGA like in that regard.
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They don't keep voting themselves back into office now do they? You keep blaming the democrates, but not the voters, even though it's the voters who keep voting them back into office. Hell, we all saw and heard everything Trump did, and it was plastered all over the place for months about project 2025, his crimes, what he was going to do, and the voters still voted for him.. yet, you blame the democrates. and keep giving the voters a pass. And you call me ignorant.. That is laughable.
 
NWRMidnight said:
They don't keep voting themselves back into office now do they? You keep blaming the democrates, but not the voters, even though it's the voters who keep voting them back into office. Hell, we all saw and heard everything Trump did, and it was plastered all over the place for months about project 2025, his crimes, what he was going to do, and the voters still voted for him.. yet, you blame the democrates. and keep giving the voters a pass. And you call me ignorant.. That is laughable.
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So dumb. The democrats hold no responsibility for taking advantage of the two party system and only giving us certain choices, not just for candidates, but also for policies, and keep themselves entrenched. It's only the voters fault?

You are a pathetic fool absolving the Dems. You are in a cult of stupidity.

Also to say I don't blame voters or the MAGA fuckers. Just total lies from your insane melted minds. You are the fundamental issues of the Democratic party - you echo and represent all their massive failures so well.
 
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BoomerD said:
You blame it on Biden…I blame it on the voters who didn’t vote Democrat…even though “our” candidate sucked. (see what I did there?)
The Democratic party has swung too far left. They’ve become the Wimp Party. A bit of liberalism is fine…this country runs better when we’re a bit liberal…but ipI have yet to see a STRONG Democrat with the stones to lead the party.
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HOLY CRAP! I mostly agree with Boomer! I didn't vote for either. It was like a moron contest. The last president we had that could speak coherently was Obama. Then we get Trump, then senile fucking Biden and then the democratic party decides to forgo the primaries AGAIN and runs Harris...

People want to blame racism or whatever but she was a moron.

Don't blame the voters, blame the party.
 
BoomerD said:
The Democratic party has swung too far left. They’ve become the Wimp Party. A bit of liberalism is fine…this country runs better when we’re a bit liberal…but ipI have yet to see a STRONG Democrat with the stones to lead the party.
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Huh?
You can want a 50% tax rate, Basic Income, Housing, and Medicare.... while also wanting to send the surviving MAGA to Gitmo.

"Left" or "Liberal" does not equal weak. That's a separate trait born of modern American life style of comfort and luxury. A life that Reaganomics has slowly eroded over the years. Leading towards this MAGA revolution of pure evil and stupidity. Which will only work to usher in something worse. Worst times since the Civil War are in our near future. We WILL need Democrats who can lead that battle, but they will not be found among anyone who grew up knowing the America of the 20th century. Good times, soft people. Hard times, natural born killers.

MAGA has sown the seeds of its own destruction, but it will take time to replace Democrat politicians with street fighters.
 
You want to see the top dog case officer doing his thing? Playing his target as a fiddle? Here comes Putin

 
Kaido said:
Hey so this seems like a bad idea...


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On TV ABC network news tonight they said 2 million buyout offers were made, with a 24 hour expiration and 40,000 had been accepted. My impression is that this was Musk's doing. Where does he have the authority to do this sort of thing? Presumably there's the threat of them just being fired in some way if they don't accept the buyout. This is nutty stuff. Buyout offers were sent to the entire workforce of the CIA. Looney.
 
Reflex said:
Any word from the administration that decided to do a genocide and then is shocked that a block of voters who cared about such things declined to vote for them?
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I don't recall seeing any indication that Trump administration wouldn't be worse for Palestinians.
 
MrSquished said:
So dumb. The democrats hold no responsibility for taking advantage of the two party system and only giving us certain choices, not just for candidates, but also for policies, and keep themselves entrenched. It's only the voters fault?

You are a pathetic fool absolving the Dems. You are in a cult of stupidity.

Also to say I don't blame voters or the MAGA fuckers. Just total lies from your insane melted minds. You are the fundamental issues of the Democratic party - you echo and represent all their massive failures so well.
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God you are an ignorant fuck!

Edit: Confirmed by you very next post where you claim Democrats need to clean house. That can only happen if the voters make it happen, yet they are the reason it hasn't happened because they keep voting them back in. And yet, you refuse to put the blame on the voters.
 
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nutxo said:
HOLY CRAP! I mostly agree with Boomer! I didn't vote for either. It was like a moron contest. The last president we had that could speak coherently was Obama. Then we get Trump, then senile fucking Biden and then the democratic party decides to forgo the primaries AGAIN and runs Harris...

People want to blame racism or whatever but she was a moron.

Don't blame the voters, blame the party.
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I agree the party didn’t do everything right but what kind of fight can be had when people are willing to believe blacks steal pets to eat them ?
 
nutxo said:
HOLY CRAP! I mostly agree with Boomer! I didn't vote for either. It was like a moron contest. The last president we had that could speak coherently was Obama. Then we get Trump, then senile fucking Biden and then the democratic party decides to forgo the primaries AGAIN and runs Harris...

People want to blame racism or whatever but she was a moron.

Don't blame the voters, blame the party.
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How is Harris a moron? I'll wait for a coherent explanation that isn't rooted in misogyny and racism...
 
NWRMidnight said:
God you are an ignorant fuck!

Edit: Confirmed by you very next post where you claim Democrats need to clean house. That can only happen if the voters make it happen, yet they are the reason it hasn't happened because they keep voting them back in. And yet, you refuse to put the blame on the voters.
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The Democrats choose their own leadership, just like they did in the DNC recently, and they do in the Senate and House, they also hire their consultants, the appoint their committee leaderships, etc.... - the voters do not.

How ignorant can one person be about politics? We'll stay tuned for your next post.

Also the Dems do have some control of which of the candidates they want to win - in certain states they back certain candidates in primaries. Many also dropped out in 2020 to endorse Biden. There are various ways the party elite push the choices in one certain direction.

You have no idea how politics works. All you are is a Dem party apologist. Imagine after all this, this is the hill you want to die on. Sad.
 
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