American cars are on top

[Vic]

Originally posted by: bamacre

Originally posted by: PC Surgeon
Pick the company that has a 65mpg car but only sells it in the UK.

A. Ford
B. Ford
C. You get the fucking point

Why don't they sell it in the US?

Ford makes a number of great cars they don't sell in the US. GM has only recently started bringing some of their Opel models into the US, no surprise IMO, has had success with them.
Basically, for the past 15 or so years, the domestics have been selling their best cars overseas and focused on selling their trucks and SUVs domestically.

 

[Colt45]

13. Which country can boast that their automakers are in the red?

 

[freegeeks]

Originally posted by: Skoorb
Not bad. Now line up the management and shoot them and maybe the companies will do better.

VW is a big FAIL these years. How far it's fallen.

I don't think VW management cares. VW is making record profits and VW market cap has overtaken Toyota.

GM and Ford can have decent cars nowadays but it doesn't mean anything if you're going broke.

The Euro Ford Mondeo is a great car

 

[Specop 007]

Domestic manufacturers must have paid a BUNDLE to JD for those propped up reviews.

So I call bullshit, and I will continue to think of domestic cars as complete and utter shit. Because thats what they are IMO. Cadillac being the notable exception mind you.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: blackangst1
OK I admit Im guilty of bashing American cars, as recently as last month for quality, mileage, etc. Im flat out WRONG. Not sure if you guys know these facts:

If you are one of the many Americans who gave up on Detroit ?s cars because of a bad experience many years ago, it?s time to rethink your position. Rethink Detroit .

How much were you paid for this advertisement out of the $25 billion taxpayer auto Industry bailout?

 

[rchiu]

Well then I guess the problem with American cars makers is they don't do enough marketing to change the perception of their brand. Even tho Cadillac, Mercury and Chevrolet have done alot to improve their quality, they still got the same brand name and same customer perception from the 70s, 80s and 90s. If you know anything about marketing, the toughest thing to do is to re-educate customers and change their perceptions. It's much easier to start fresh.

Anyway, I travel every week and drive different rental every week. I still like Japanese car's human factor, everything is where it suppose to be. American car got no standard, different places for different thing, that piss me off.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
One BIG problem with American cars is that they don't hold their value.

That is why Honda and Toyota do so well.

Another problem, for me at least, is that none of the American made cars interest me.

Well that's no surprise since you hate everything about America.

Have no idea why you live here other than to destroy America.

 

[StageLeft]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
One BIG problem with American cars is that they don't hold their value.

That is why Honda and Toyota do so well.

Another problem, for me at least, is that none of the American made cars interest me.

Well that's no surprise since you hate everything about America.

Have no idea why you live here other than to destroy America.

I'm very sure in another thread you said you wanted this financial crisis to destroy America.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: Skoorb

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
One BIG problem with American cars is that they don't hold their value.

That is why Honda and Toyota do so well.

Another problem, for me at least, is that none of the American made cars interest me.

Well that's no surprise since you hate everything about America.

Have no idea why you live here other than to destroy America.

I'm very sure in another thread you said you wanted this financial crisis to destroy America.

I'm very sure you are a Republican liar

 

[StageLeft]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: Skoorb

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
One BIG problem with American cars is that they don't hold their value.

That is why Honda and Toyota do so well.

Another problem, for me at least, is that none of the American made cars interest me.

Well that's no surprise since you hate everything about America.

Have no idea why you live here other than to destroy America.

I'm very sure in another thread you said you wanted this financial crisis to destroy America.

I'm very sure you are a Republican liar

I would find the thread where you said it, but frankly it wouldn't do any good because you have a learning dissability, so I am not going to bother. You have twice said you'd vote for McCain because of his mortgage plan and that makes you more Republican than I, who cannot even vote at all because I'm not a citizen.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: Skoorb

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: Skoorb

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
One BIG problem with American cars is that they don't hold their value.

That is why Honda and Toyota do so well.

Another problem, for me at least, is that none of the American made cars interest me.

Well that's no surprise since you hate everything about America.

Have no idea why you live here other than to destroy America.

I'm very sure in another thread you said you wanted this financial crisis to destroy America.

I'm very sure you are a Republican liar

I would find the thread where you said it, but frankly it wouldn't do any good because you have a learning dissability, so I am not going to bother. You have twice said you'd vote for McCain because of his mortgage plan and that makes you more Republican than I, who cannot even vote at all because

I'm not a citizen.

Which proves my point

 

[SP33Demon]

Originally posted by: blackangst1
OK I admit Im guilty of bashing American cars, as recently as last month for quality, mileage, etc. Im flat out WRONG. Not sure if you guys know these facts:

1. Which country can boast that their brands occupy 2 of the top 3 spots for long-term reliability?

Answer: United States .
Per J.D. Power Vehicle Dependability Study, Mercury and Cadillac are in the top 3, along with Lexus. And in 2007, Buick was tied with Lexus for the top spot.
http://www.jdpower.com/corporate/new...spx?ID=2008115

2. As of August 2007, which manufacturer had the most recalled vehicles in the U.S. for that year?

Answer: Volkswagen.
According to Business Week, Volkswagen had the most recalls at this time a year ago. The second worst was Toyota .
http://www.businessweek.com/autos /content/aug2007/bw20070810_455098.htm

3. Pick the brand from each group that has the highest initial quality.
a. Answer : Cadillac (better than both Acura and BMW)
b. Answer: Mercury (better than both Honda and Nissan)
c. Answer: Chevrolet (better than Acura, BMW, and Mazda)
This is according to J.D. Power?s Initial Quality S urvey.
http://www.jdpower.com/corporate/new...spx?ID=2008063

4. Which midsize sedan has the highest initial quality?

Answer: The Chevrolet Malibu has better initial quality than any competitor, including the Honda Accord, Toyota Camry and Nissan Altima. The Ford Fusion also beat all 3 Japanese competitors.
This too is from the J.D. Power Initial Quality Survey, which also reveals that above average are American brands Mercury, Ford, Cadillac, Chevrolet , Pontiac, Lincoln, and Buick. Below average are import brands Acura, Kia, Nissan, BMW, Mazda, VW, Subaru, and Scion (and several others).
http://www.jdpower.com/autos/article...and-Large-Cars
http://www.jdpower. com/corporate/news/releases/pressrelease.aspx?ID=2008063

5. Which large sedan has the highest initial quality?

Answer: Again per J.D. Power, the highest quality large car is the Pontiac Grand Prix, beating the Toyota Avalon. Two other Detroit cars that beat the Avalon are the Mercury Sable and Mercury Grand Marquis.
http://www.jdpower.com/autos/article...and-Large-Cars

6. Which midsize pickup has the highest initial quality?

Answer: The Dodge Dakota has the best quality for midsize pickups, proving that Chrysler too can beat the imports. Both the Dakota and the Ford Ranger beat the Toyota Tacoma .
http://www.jdpower.com/autos/article...ckups-and-Vans



7. Which car is the most economical overall?

Answer: Per Edmunds.com, the premier automotive analysis site, the most economical car in America , taking into account not only mileage but all costs, is the Chevrolet Ave o. The Honda Fit is #3 and the Toyota Prius is a distant #34.
http://www.edmunds.com/help/about/pr...6/article.html



8. Which car did the Los Angeles Times describe as ?a better car than BMW or Mercedes or Lexus or Infiniti??

Answer: ?Cadillac makes a better car than BMW or Mercedes or Lexus or Infiniti, and that car is the 2008 CTS. No other car in the mass market dares so much as this expressive and audacious bit of automotive avant-gardism.? Dan Neil, LA Times.
http://www.latimes.com/classified/au...3.photogallery



9. Which company makes the winner of the 2008 ?Green Car of the Year? award?

Answer: The Chevrolet Tahoe Hybrid is the winner of this award. How could a full-size SUV defeat the media darling Toyota Prius? Read the link below and you will discover, ?What?s equally eye-opening is that the Tahoe?s 21 mpg city fuel efficiency rating is the same as that of the city EPA rating for the four-cylinder Toyota Camry sedan. ?

Did you catch that?=2 0 A huge, full-size SUV from Chevrolet that gets the same city mileage as a 4-cylinder Toyota Camry!! Chevy obtained this remarkable achievement through the use of its 2-mode hybrid system, a technology that Toyota does not have.
http://www.greencar.com/features/2008greencar/



10. Which car was selected by the North American automotive press corps as the ?North American Car of the Year? for 2007?

Answer: Not only was the Saturn Aura picked by the automotive press corps as better than the Honda Fit and the Toyota Camry, ?When a panel of 47 journalists named the Saturn Aura the North American Car of the Year over the Toyota Camry, the vote wasn't even close, 205-89.? C hicago Tribune, 1/15/07
http://www.northamericancaroftheyear.org/news.html



11. Which car won the same award for 2008?

Answer: GM again crushed the Japanese competition in 2008 when the Malibu received 190 votes to the Honda Accord?s 95. The Accord actually came in 3rd since GM?s other finalist, the Cadillac CTS, received 165 votes.
http://www.northamericancaroftheyear.org/news.html



12. Which company had a luxury vehicle, a midsize sedan, and a large truck removed from the Consumer Reports recommended vehicles list in Oct ober 2007 because of mounting quality problems?

Answer: Toyota?s much publicized quality problems resulted in Consumer Reports actually removing from their recommended vehicles list the Lexus GS luxury car, Camry V6 sedan, and Tundra pickup. This demotion occurred in October 2007.



If you are one of the many Americans who gave up on Detroit ?s cars because of a bad experience many years ago, it?s time to rethink your position. Rethink Detroit .
Detroit automakers: 79 U.S. jobs per 2,500 cars sold in America .
Foreign automakers: 33 U.S. jobs per 2,500 cars sold in America .


WOOT!
/waves flag

For #8:
8. Which car did the Los Angeles Times describe as ?a better car than BMW or Mercedes or Lexus or Infiniti??

Answer: ?Cadillac makes a better car than BMW or Mercedes or Lexus or Infiniti, and that car is the 2008 CTS. No other car in the mass market dares so much as this expressive and audacious bit of automotive avant-gardism.? Dan Neil, LA Times.
http://www.latimes.com/classified/au...3.photogallery

FYI, JDPower (the majority of your source) says that all of those brands (BMW, Benz, Lexus, and Infiniti) are better than Cadillac. Cute how you cherry picked your stats such as latimes for Cadillac? And what does JDPower have to say about DODGE (that they finished last in almost everything?). You also fail to mention that 2008 (you mentioned that Consumer Report's 2007 they didn't do well) JDPower's ratings for Toyota/Lexus get top scores in 3 of the 4 major categories over anything American. According to 2008 JDPower, GM doesn't pass Toyota/Honda, but > Nissan.

It's not hard to find relatively unknown websites that will praise GM. What nobody is talking about is how GM will not turn a profit until 2010/2011. E.g., "In March 24, 2008 GM reported a cash position of $24 billion, or $6 billion less than what was on hand September 31, 2007, which is a loss of $1 billion dollars a month. A further quarterly loss of $15.5 billion, the third-biggest in the company's history, was announced on 1 August 2008."

Unions are killing them, such as UAW holding them hostage a year ago. Until they revamp their corporate structure, it doesn't matter what quality cars they put out.

 

[tw1164]

I swear this list gets posted at least every other month.

 

[StageLeft]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: Skoorb

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: Skoorb

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
One BIG problem with American cars is that they don't hold their value.

That is why Honda and Toyota do so well.

Another problem, for me at least, is that none of the American made cars interest me.

Well that's no surprise since you hate everything about America.

Have no idea why you live here other than to destroy America.

I'm very sure in another thread you said you wanted this financial crisis to destroy America.

I'm very sure you are a Republican liar

I would find the thread where you said it, but frankly it wouldn't do any good because you have a learning dissability, so I am not going to bother. You have twice said you'd vote for McCain because of his mortgage plan and that makes you more Republican than I, who cannot even vote at all because

I'm not a citizen.

Which proves my point

You got me, pwned again!

 

[DivideBYZero]

Train wreck thread, coming right up.

 

[Robor]

Originally posted by: Skoorb
Not bad. Now line up the management and shoot them and maybe the companies will do better.

VW is a big FAIL these years. How far it's fallen.

VW is awful. I mean freaking awful. I got one in 2000 when everyone said they had improved their quality/reliability. They were incorrect. Don't get me wrong, they're nice cars to drive but they're undependable and extremely expensive to fix when they break down - and they will break down. Often. I've got a GTI VR6 so I speak from personal experience. I'm not going to list all of the problems but take my word for it the list is a long one. Fine German Engineering my ass!

Don't buy a Volkswagon. Ever!

Edit: Bitek's sig is 100% correct... "German Engineering; n., def : Design philosophy characterized by needless complexity and excessive gadgetry to the point of unreliability and impracticality."

 

[blackangst1]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
One BIG problem with American cars is that they don't hold their value.

That is why Honda and Toyota do so well.

Another problem, for me at least, is that none of the American made cars interest me.

Well that's no surprise since you hate everything about America.

Have no idea why you live here other than to destroy America.

You fucking troll. First you say

Originally posted by: blackangst1
OK I admit Im guilty of bashing American cars, as recently as last month for quality, mileage, etc. Im flat out WRONG. Not sure if you guys know these facts:

If you are one of the many Americans who gave up on Detroit ?s cars because of a bad experience many years ago, it?s time to rethink your position. Rethink Detroit .

How much were you paid for this advertisement out of the $25 billion taxpayer auto Industry bailout?

Indicating YOU dont defend the auto's in the US, and then this gem:

Well that's no surprise since you hate everything about America.
Have no idea why you live here other than to destroy America.


Fucking troll. Dont you have your own board to spout this drivel on? Oh thats right. Only two people psot there.

 

[blackangst1]

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

FYI, JDPower (the majority of your source) says that all of those brands (BMW, Benz, Lexus, and Infiniti) are better than Cadillac. Cute how you cherry picked your stats such as latimes for Cadillac? And what does JDPower have to say about DODGE (that they finished last in almost everything?). You also fail to mention that 2008 (you mentioned that Consumer Report's 2007 they didn't do well) JDPower's ratings for Toyota/Lexus get top scores in 3 of the 4 major categories over anything American. According to 2008 JDPower, GM doesn't pass Toyota/Honda, but > Nissan.

It's not hard to find relatively unknown websites that will praise GM. What nobody is talking about is how GM will not turn a profit until 2010/2011. E.g., "In March 24, 2008 GM reported a cash position of $24 billion, or $6 billion less than what was on hand September 31, 2007, which is a loss of $1 billion dollars a month. A further quarterly loss of $15.5 billion, the third-biggest in the company's history, was announced on 1 August 2008."

Unions are killing them, such as UAW holding them hostage a year ago. Until they revamp their corporate structure, it doesn't matter what quality cars they put out.

cherry pick? I copy and pasted. Dont shoot the messenger.

 

[blackangst1]

Originally posted by: Robor

Originally posted by: Skoorb
Not bad. Now line up the management and shoot them and maybe the companies will do better.

VW is a big FAIL these years. How far it's fallen.

VW is awful. I mean freaking awful. I got one in 2000 when everyone said they had improved their quality/reliability. They were incorrect. Don't get me wrong, they're nice cars to drive but they're undependable and extremely expensive to fix when they break down - and they will break down. Often. I've got a GTI VR6 so I speak from personal experience. I'm not going to list all of the problems but take my word for it the list is a long one. Fine German Engineering my ass!

Don't buy a Volkswagon. Ever!

Edit: Bitek's sig is 100% correct... "German Engineering; n., def : Design philosophy characterized by needless complexity and excessive gadgetry to the point of unreliability and impracticality."

I always thought that was a great car. Sorry you had issues 🙁 Funny thing is, Porsche and Mercedes are reliable as hell.

 

[GroundedSailor]

Originally posted by: Robor

Originally posted by: Skoorb
Not bad. Now line up the management and shoot them and maybe the companies will do better.

VW is a big FAIL these years. How far it's fallen.

VW is awful. I mean freaking awful. I got one in 2000 when everyone said they had improved their quality/reliability. They were incorrect. Don't get me wrong, they're nice cars to drive but they're undependable and extremely expensive to fix when they break down - and they will break down. Often. I've got a GTI VR6 so I speak from personal experience. I'm not going to list all of the problems but take my word for it the list is a long one. Fine German Engineering my ass!

Don't buy a Volkswagon. Ever!

Edit: Bitek's sig is 100% correct... "German Engineering; n., def : Design philosophy characterized by needless complexity and excessive gadgetry to the point of unreliability and impracticality."

Couldn't agree with you more.

Their slogan should be "Mechanics wanted"!!

 

[GroundedSailor]

Originally posted by: miketheidiot

Originally posted by: GroundedSailor

Originally posted by: miketheidiot
some hack called me an idiot for saying this a week ago, i should go dig up the thread.

Could he be just using your name? miketheidiot :laugh:

*facepalm*

What happened to your funny bone?

 

[Vette73]

Originally posted by: blackangst1

Originally posted by: Robor

Originally posted by: Skoorb
Not bad. Now line up the management and shoot them and maybe the companies will do better.

VW is a big FAIL these years. How far it's fallen.

VW is awful. I mean freaking awful. I got one in 2000 when everyone said they had improved their quality/reliability. They were incorrect. Don't get me wrong, they're nice cars to drive but they're undependable and extremely expensive to fix when they break down - and they will break down. Often. I've got a GTI VR6 so I speak from personal experience. I'm not going to list all of the problems but take my word for it the list is a long one. Fine German Engineering my ass!

Don't buy a Volkswagon. Ever!

Edit: Bitek's sig is 100% correct... "German Engineering; n., def : Design philosophy characterized by needless complexity and excessive gadgetry to the point of unreliability and impracticality."

I always thought that was a great car. Sorry you had issues 🙁 Funny thing is, Porsche and Mercedes are reliable as hell.

Porsche does not produce a lot of cars and their reliability has gone up and down but held at least average or above. But Mercedes is still below average enough to pass on it. BMW has also come a long way like Porsche. But I put Mercedes over VW/Audi but still under other European brands.

Oh and all the VW fanboys are still saying "No... VW/Audi is much better..." to this day. I guess it falls under the if you say it enough... 🙂

 

[evident]

this article is always posted and it gets old. initial quality means nothing. and even though the aveo gets the "most efficient" award, it's still a heaping POS overall compared to the fit. its a bunch of handpicked articles and categories put in an article and it's misleading. sure US automakers are getting better, but overall fleetwise they are still lacking, and alot of their products still need work.

 

[blackangst1]

Originally posted by: evident


this article is always posted and it gets old. initial quality means nothing. and even though the aveo gets the "most efficient" award, it's still a heaping POS overall compared to the fit. its a bunch of handpicked articles and categories put in an article and it's misleading. sure US automakers are getting better, but overall fleetwise they are still lacking, and alot of their products still need work.

How about consumer reports?

http://blogs.thecarconnection....utscores-mercedes-bmw/

Now comes an even bigger surprise from the influential CR: in an equally noteworthy upset, Cadillac?s second-generation CTS sedan has whupped both the benchmark BMW 328i, as well as the recently redesigned Mercedes-Benz C300 in the magazine?s list of upscale sports sedans. Among a tough, competitive field, CTS was the only model to win an ?excellent? ranking.

?The Cadillac CTS now competes toe-to-toe with some of the best German and Japanese sport sedans,? explained David Champion, Consumer Reports? senior director of automotive testing. ?There are more safety features and interior amenities in the new model. Fit and finish is greatly improved, and the interior is much more pleasant than in the previous generation.?

While the folks at General Motors headquarters, in the Detroit Renaissance Center, may be cheering, they?re not entirely surprised. CTS also won the coveted Motor Trend Car of the Year trophy late last year, and it was the first runner-up in the closely watched balloting by 45 North American auto writers. In the end, however, honors as the North American Car of the Year went to CTS?s sibling, the latest-generation Chevrolet Malibu. (The shot below captures a beaming Chevy General Manager Ed Peper collecting his NACTOY award.)



Not so coincidentally, Consumer Reports announced that it has given an ?excellent? rating to the Malibu, as well, both in inline-4 and V-6 trim. In its ?Auto Test Extra,? CR proclaimed, ?The redesigned Malibu now ranks among the best family sedans in CR?s ratings, just below the Nissan Altima, Honda Accord, and Toyota Camry.?

Chevrolet Malibu, Mazda CX-9 Grab Car/Truck-of-the-Year kudos. Malibu marks big GM comeback while Mazda stakes out a position in the truck market. Sunday, January 13, 2008

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: Born2bwire

Another thing to note is that it is diesel and in the UK. The UK uses the imperial gallon, which is slightly larger in volume. Diesel also has a higher energy content in addition to its added efficiency so you will get extra mileage that way too. I would be interested in knowing if you processed a barrel of oil to maximize diesel fuel how many miles you would get with this car as opposed with a barrel of oil's equivalent of gasoline for a high mileage gas car.

the diesel fiesta get 80 UK mpg. there is a gas version that does 65.