America: Yeah, we've screwed some stuff up

[Jschmuck2]

Seriously. We HAVE screwed some things up in the past. Recently as well. What's the big problem with coming out and saying,

"Yeah, we've made some mistakes, we're human."

Why is the right up in arms about this?

EDIT: Before someone jumps in and says:

"UHATEAMERICA! DEYTOOKRJERBS!"

No, I don't. I just don't think there's anything wrong with owning up to past mistakes.

 

[Mani]

Don't you know that if you are not 100% supportive of every single thing America has ever done, you're a subversive terrorist who hates America and wants to see it fail?

 

[1prophet]

Originally posted by: Jschmuck2
Seriously. We HAVE screwed some things up in the past. Recently as well. What's the big problem with coming out and saying,

"Yeah, we've made some mistakes, we're human."

Why is the right up in arms about this?

EDIT: Before someone jumps in and says:

"UHATEAMERICA! DEYTOOKRJERBS!"

No, I don't. I just don't think there's anything wrong with owning up to past mistakes.

Owning up to past mistakes without making reparations is disingenuous at best.

 

[Fern]

Originally posted by: Jschmuck2
Seriously. We HAVE screwed some things up in the past. Recently as well. What's the big problem with coming out and saying,

"Yeah, we've made some mistakes, we're human."

Why is the right up in arms about this?

EDIT: Before someone jumps in and says:

"UHATEAMERICA! DEYTOOKRJERBS!"

No, I don't. I just don't think there's anything wrong with owning up to past mistakes.

This might have been interesting if you'd have given some examples (with support).

Plus, get back to me when the lefties here can admit the CDS and other financial mistakes were from bills signed by Clinton and pushed by his Treas Secretary (along with some Repubs). Then toss in Barney Frank et al (no probs here etc).

H3ll, they can't even admit Obama bowed to the Saudi King.

Did you not watch Chris Dodd and Geithner play 'hot potato' over the whole AIG bonus scandel?

Yeah, luckily it's only a phenomenon we see from the "right" :roll:

Fern

 

[Craig234]

Originally posted by: Fern
Plus, get back to me when the lefties here can admit the CDS and other financial mistakes were from bills signed by Clinton and pushed by his Treas Secretary (along with some Repubs). Then toss in Barney Frank et al (no probs here etc).

Fern, that's not an honest post IMO.

I've posted repeatedly that the dems have plenty of blame for that, that the Democratic Party has been much too infiltrated by the 'corporatocrac donors and ageda' - just less< IMO, than the Republicans. There's still a sizable minority of Democrats who are the progressive faction, while th Republicans have pretty much wiped out their 'liberal faction'.

Let's be clear - most Democrats voted for deregulating CDS, and Clinton signed the bill with a smile on his face. I've posted threads about the pro-Wall Street Dem appointees.

But your 'some rebus' is also an inaccurate description of their role - which is the leading role, as they have embraced this sort of deregulation as a core philosophy. The bill in question was sponsored by three Republicans, no Democrats. Only eight Senators voted against it, but seven of them were Democrats. The people who 'spoke the truth' when you look at the debate were the progressive Democrats, like Buron Dorgan, who said it would cause a crash, we'd regret it in ten years, because the same things that cause systemic risk from allowing excessive risk-taking would apply in 2010 (he spoke in 1999) as applied in the New Deal.

H3ll, they can't even admit Obama bowed to the Saudi King.

I haven't looked closely, but I had no problem assuming the reports are correct that he did, and the photo I saw looks like he did.

Did you not watch Chris Dodd and Geithner play 'hot potato' over the whole AIG bonus scandel?

Ya, I did. Geithnew wrongly denied pressuring Dodd. Dodd wrongly denied giving in to the pressure, though he was justified to say he made an effort against it.

Yeah, luckily it's only a phenomenon we see from the "right" :roll:

Fern

It's far, far, more on the right, and that's your mistake to say otherwise.

 

[dphantom]

Originally posted by: Jschmuck2
Seriously. We HAVE screwed some things up in the past. Recently as well. What's the big problem with coming out and saying,

"Yeah, we've made some mistakes, we're human."

Why is the right up in arms about this?

EDIT: Before someone jumps in and says:

"UHATEAMERICA! DEYTOOKRJERBS!"

No, I don't. I just don't think there's anything wrong with owning up to past mistakes.

Number 1, no President should put themselves in that position.

Number 2, you and your friends are intellectually dishonest anyway since you can never own up to the past mistakes of any of the dems regardless of how egregious they were.

So once you can do that, then maybe we can have a discussion.

 

[GenHoth]

There is nothing wrong with it. Too bad neither party will admit that they screw up. It's not left or right as Fern was trying to say, it's everyone.

 

[brencat]

Originally posted by: Craig234

H3ll, they can't even admit Obama bowed to the Saudi King.

I haven't looked closely, but I had no problem assuming the reports are correct that he did, and the photo I saw looks like he did.

You've got to be effing kidding me. The most powerful man on Earth from the most powerful nation on Earth, bowing before a wahaabist terrorist dictator from an ass-backward part of the world, and you think that was okay to do? Fvck him, he can bow before Obama and us!! Our oil purchases are the only things keeping his piddly little country from being taken over by fundmentalist crazies.

Now I know you'll say that clown is a supposed 'friend' of the Bush family. Spent time at the ranch, Maine, yes, yes. But he was here as a guest -- an equal on a lucky day, and certainly not superior.

But when you bow, the body language conveys a certain level of submissiveness. That's the real problem I have with what Obama did. We are Americans, and submissive to no one.

 

[Acanthus]

1st day of public speaking 101.

Never apologize.

 

[Fear No Evil]

Bill Clinton couldn't even admit he was having sex with interns after he had been caught either..

 

[feralkid]

Originally posted by: Fear No Evil
Bill Clinton couldn't even admit he was having sex with interns after he had been caught either..

Interns?

How many interns do you think he had sex with?

 

[Rhonda the Sly]

Yet another name finds itself in my list of socialist posters on Anandtech...

But more seriously, if we all just admitted someone, somewhere screwed up the first and harshest set of people to be blamed would be Bush and the Republicans, fairly or not. The Right have always been a bit a very Pro-America and they want to paint Pres. Obama as less so. Anti-America, Socialist, Marxist, Fascist, etc. As far as the rhetoric is concerned, just keep throwing shit at the wall and see what sticks.

 

[microbial]

Originally posted by: Jschmuck2
Seriously. We HAVE screwed some things up in the past. Recently as well. What's the big problem with coming out and saying,

"Yeah, we've made some mistakes, we're human."

Why is the right up in arms about this?

EDIT: Before someone jumps in and says:

"UHATEAMERICA! DEYTOOKRJERBS!"

No, I don't. I just don't think there's anything wrong with owning up to past mistakes.

In a word politics.

The people who have political power have a vested interested (in their own feeble little minds) in saying: THEY screwed up. Not WE screwed up.

It's all part of the factions game played every day.

Just recently the de facto (and defecated) leader of one of the two factions said as much that he hoped for America's economy to fail. Then you have a veritable army of minions (politically castrated zombies, oblivious to that fact) defending him for being an a-hole. Like being an a-hole was ever a thing to defend.

A-holes never admit to screwing up because that is the nature of being an a-hole.

Here's the problem: It is very difficult to get the a-holes out of politics... institutionally our political system is corrupt, and the people who do best at politics are the people who do best at corruption.

 

[ProfJohn]

^ exactly which leader said that he "hoped for America's economy to fail"

And could you provide me the direct quote as well.

And if you can't do that then I am sure you will admit that you are talking out of your ass and no such thing was ever said, thank you.

 

[Cuda1447]

We can apologize when the rest of the world apologizes for all the shit they've pulled. No one is free of guilt in this world, no one. Everyone has fucked up something, some more than others. I'd suspect we are on the latter end of that spectrum.

 

[Phokus]

Originally posted by: Fern

Originally posted by: Jschmuck2
Seriously. We HAVE screwed some things up in the past. Recently as well. What's the big problem with coming out and saying,

"Yeah, we've made some mistakes, we're human."

Why is the right up in arms about this?

EDIT: Before someone jumps in and says:

"UHATEAMERICA! DEYTOOKRJERBS!"

No, I don't. I just don't think there's anything wrong with owning up to past mistakes.

This might have been interesting if you'd have given some examples (with support).

Plus, get back to me when the lefties here can admit the CDS and other financial mistakes were from bills signed by Clinton and pushed by his Treas Secretary (along with some Repubs). Then toss in Barney Frank et al (no probs here etc).

H3ll, they can't even admit Obama bowed to the Saudi King.

Did you not watch Chris Dodd and Geithner play 'hot potato' over the whole AIG bonus scandel?

Yeah, luckily it's only a phenomenon we see from the "right" :roll:

Fern

Of course, then you'd have to admit the free market doesn't really work as well as you thought it did.

 

[Craig234]

Originally posted by: brencat

Originally posted by: Craig234

H3ll, they can't even admit Obama bowed to the Saudi King.

I haven't looked closely, but I had no problem assuming the reports are correct that he did, and the photo I saw looks like he did.

You've got to be effing kidding me. The most powerful man on Earth from the most powerful nation on Earth, bowing before a wahaabist terrorist dictator from an ass-backward part of the world, and you think that was okay to do? Fvck him, he can bow before Obama and us!! Our oil purchases are the only things keeping his piddly little country from being taken over by fundmentalist crazies.

Now I know you'll say that clown is a supposed 'friend' of the Bush family. Spent time at the ranch, Maine, yes, yes. But he was here as a guest -- an equal on a lucky day, and certainly not superior.

But when you bow, the body language conveys a certain level of submissiveness. That's the real problem I have with what Obama did. We are Americans, and submissive to no one.

I didn't say anything in that post about an opinion of his bow. I was refuting Fern's claim that liberals won't admit it was a bow.

I'd want more info before saying a lot about the bow. While I agree the Saudi rulers (we ally with) are pretty terrible, there's more to the question.

 

[bamacre]

"Yeah, we've made some mistakes, we're human."

IMO, this doesn't say enough. Nowhere near enough. Much of what we have done overseas were not mistakes.

 

[cliftonite]

Originally posted by: Fern

Originally posted by: Jschmuck2
Seriously. We HAVE screwed some things up in the past. Recently as well. What's the big problem with coming out and saying,

"Yeah, we've made some mistakes, we're human."

Why is the right up in arms about this?

EDIT: Before someone jumps in and says:

"UHATEAMERICA! DEYTOOKRJERBS!"

No, I don't. I just don't think there's anything wrong with owning up to past mistakes.

This might have been interesting if you'd have given some examples (with support).

Plus, get back to me when the lefties here can admit the CDS and other financial mistakes were from bills signed by Clinton and pushed by his Treas Secretary (along with some Repubs). Then toss in Barney Frank et al (no probs here etc).

I guess the repubs were too incompetent to see problem fix it through the six years they had total control? (who controlled congress when that legislation was passed btw?)

H3ll, they can't even admit Obama bowed to the Saudi King.

I guess we don't see this as a big problem? Seeing as there are millions of other things wrong with the country/world. If it keeps you at night, thats too bad, you can cry about it over the next four years or so.

Did you not watch Chris Dodd and Geithner play 'hot potato' over the whole AIG bonus scandel?

Yeah, luckily it's only a phenomenon we see from the "right" :roll:

Coming from one of the chief apologists. :roll:
Fern

 

[microbial]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
^ exactly which leader said that he "hoped for America's economy to fail"

And could you provide me the direct quote as well.

And if you can't do that then I am sure you will admit that you are talking out of your ass and no such thing was ever said, thank you.

Learn to read: said as much that, but if you want quotes here it is directly from the horses ...eh...mouth.

http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/ho...nt/01125113.guest.html

Zombies keep defending that which is indefensible.

back to the thread: The point is politics is all about winners and losers. That is the problem with our political system. As long as people involved in the political process work on that premise, we will always be fucked in the end.

If we can't even identify our mistakes--and in essence allow ourselves to be losers, we can never correct our mistakes.

 

[trenchfoot]

Step #1 - Attack and keep attacking while never ever admitting guilt.

Gee, I wonder what political party that reminds me of. LOL

With a strategy like that, how can we ever close ranks.

Oh, I know....let's invade somebody. That'll force us to close ranks...Well, at least for as long as it's advantageous to the cause. After that's wrung dry, all we have to do is walk away from it and go back to step 1.

Gee, I wonder what political party that reminds me of. LOL

 

[JSFLY]

Originally posted by: Jschmuck2
Seriously. We HAVE screwed some things up in the past. Recently as well. What's the big problem with coming out and saying,

"Yeah, we've made some mistakes, we're human."

Why is the right up in arms about this?

EDIT: Before someone jumps in and says:

"UHATEAMERICA! DEYTOOKRJERBS!"

No, I don't. I just don't think there's anything wrong with owning up to past mistakes.

Nothing wrong with humility.

I remember during Bush's last press conference how he couldn't think of one mistake he'd made during the last eight years of his presidency. We were in a war we didn't need to be in, our economy was in shambles, and this guy couldn't admit one single mistake. That's not the attitude we need in this country.

 

[Craig234]

Originally posted by: JSFLY

Originally posted by: Jschmuck2
Seriously. We HAVE screwed some things up in the past. Recently as well. What's the big problem with coming out and saying,

"Yeah, we've made some mistakes, we're human."

Why is the right up in arms about this?

EDIT: Before someone jumps in and says:

"UHATEAMERICA! DEYTOOKRJERBS!"

No, I don't. I just don't think there's anything wrong with owning up to past mistakes.

Nothing wrong with humility.

I remember during Bush's last press conference how he couldn't think of one mistake he'd made during the last eight years of his presidency. We were in a war we didn't need to be in, our economy was in shambles, and this guy couldn't admit one single mistake. That's not the attitude we need in this country.

It's less about humility than about truth and justice, not to mention effective diplomacy. Think Japan is more popular or a better nation for ignoring its war crimes?

The people who demand the US not say when it does something wrong are noting less than criminal accomplices who are harming the US, blockng it from improving.

They're like the 'OJ is innocent' crowd, who would like nothing more than to see him walk the street like nothing happened, and give their autographs.

 

[Double Trouble]

The idea that somehow the "right" is more prone to this is laughable. Politicians of every stripe do this, and they do it because their handlers and advisers make sure they understand that apologizing is generally seen as a sign of weakness.

It irritates the hell out of me that politicians / leaders can never admit to doing something dumb. I personally would have a lot more respect for one that did come out and say "ya know what, I screwed that one up. I learned from it, so I can do better next time."

 

[OCGuy]

Who cares? Who hasnt done things that dont end up being the correct corse of action?


Its the idiots that keep harping on the past that are worse than anything.


You must be one of those reparations guys?