america assassinates american citizen without trial

[thraashman]

Oh please. Those of you who are attacking Obama for doing this would support it if any Republican did it. And yes, odds are most of us on the left would be against Bush for doing this. We're all partisan at times, some more than others. In this case I'm in both camps at least a little. But seeing as this man was not within the US, had denounced his US citizenship, was not just aiding but a leader in Al Qaeda, I can minorly support this. In truth I don't support the death penalty, but if this man had been captured he most surely would have been put to death. This way we aren't putting ground troops in another country and putting their lives at risk at least.

 

[Texashiker]

Good for Pres. Obama and the military. A terrorist is a terrorist is a terrorist.

The same thing can be said about George Washington, Benjamin Franklin, Thomas Jefferson,,,,, and everyone else that promoted a war between the crown and the states.

Regardless of what Anwar al-Awlaki said, he was still a US citizen. As a citizen, was entitled to due process.

No person shall be devoid of life, liberty or property without the due process of law.

Oh please. Those of you who are attacking Obama for doing this would support it if any Republican did it.

I do not support any political party that kills citizens without due process.

What obama did was wrong.

 

[Moonbeam]

I am not giving him any aympathy either. I am discussing this from a view of should we allow our govt to throw out due process because the govt are unable to bring American citizens to justice.

So he is in Yemen, so what? Why does that allow the president to issue a death sentence without trial?

If you are too stupid to figure this out you are too stupid to answer.

 

[Moonbeam]

The same thing can be said about George Washington, Benjamin Franklin, Thomas Jefferson,,,,, and everyone else that promoted a war between the crown and the states.

Regardless of what Anwar al-Awlaki said, he was still a US citizen. As a citizen, was entitled to due process.

No person shall be devoid of life, liberty or property without the due process of law.



I do not support any political party that kills citizens without due process.

What obama did was wrong.

God,you morons. I guess this is why a policeman who has a citizen pull a gun on him immediately goes for his hand cuffs and a bull horn to announce he's making an arrest.

 

[JockoJohnson]

Oh please. Those of you who are attacking Obama for doing this would support it if any Republican did it. And yes, odds are most of us on the left would be against Bush for doing this. We're all partisan at times, some more than others. In this case I'm in both camps at least a little. But seeing as this man was not within the US, had denounced his US citizenship, was not just aiding but a leader in Al Qaeda, I can minorly support this. In truth I don't support the death penalty, but if this man had been captured he most surely would have been put to death. This way we aren't putting ground troops in another country and putting their lives at risk at least.

^This. Better stated than me. Instead, I get attacked for calling a terrorist a coward. I can understand the other arguments about killing a US citizen but this one can be classified as an exemption: Al-Qaeda leader, denounced US citizenship, hiding in a country that doesn't exactly turn over accused terrorists to the US.

 

[Moonbeam]

Oh please. Those of you who are attacking Obama for doing this would support it if any Republican did it. And yes, odds are most of us on the left would be against Bush for doing this. We're all partisan at times, some more than others. In this case I'm in both camps at least a little. But seeing as this man was not within the US, had denounced his US citizenship, was not just aiding but a leader in Al Qaeda, I can minorly support this. In truth I don't support the death penalty, but if this man had been captured he most surely would have been put to death. This way we aren't putting ground troops in another country and putting their lives at risk at least.

You must be kidding. Any President that didn't do this should be impeached.

 

[her209]

Obama should apologize to the terrorist's family.

/sarcasm

 

[Texashiker]

God,you morons. I guess this is why a policeman who has a citizen pull a gun on him immediately goes for his hand cuffs and a bull horn to announce he's making an arrest.

Where do you draw the line?

Was Anwar al-Awlaki on the street shooting people? No, he was not.

Whats next, the government shooting people for voting third party? How about arresting bloggers for telling people to resist the government? Is the army going to get called out on #occupywallstreet?

The execution of an American citizen can not be tolerated.

You must be kidding. Any President that didn't do this should be impeached.

A president that does "not" kill an American citizen without due process should be impeached?

 

[ichy]

If he wanted a trial he should have surrendered himself to American authorities. He had plenty of time to do so.

 

[Texashiker]

If he wanted a trial he should have surrendered himself to American authorities. He had plenty of time to do so.

So all people suspected of a crime should surrender, or they will be shot on sight?

Last I heard, freedom of speech was not a crime.

 

[cwjerome]

I am not giving him any aympathy either. I am discussing this from a view of should we allow our govt to throw out due process because the govt are unable to bring American citizens to justice.

So he is in Yemen, so what? Why does that allow the president to issue a death sentence without trial?

You'll have to convince me that constitutional due process applies in this case. I tend to think a different process is probably used.

 

[Texashiker]

You'll have to convince me that constitutional due process applies in this case.

That is laughable.

No exceptions should be made in due process for US citizens. We can not pick and choose to whom the law applies, and who the law does not apply to.

"Every" citizen is entitled to equal protection under the law. That is the very foundation of our legal system.

 

[Thump553]

I agree with Moonie on this. This is a war situation, not an internal police matter. If Yeman had a functional government, and one capable of capturing him and extradiciting him then arrest and trial would be a viable alternative.

Take a look at Anwar al-Awlaki's emails plotting with and sanctioning the doctor who gunned down all those people on the military base or any of his numerous jihad against the US videos on the internet.

A deep felt thank you to all who accomplished this mission, and a big shame on you to the partisan hacks crying foul because it was the Obama Adminstration in charge of this.

 

[Jaskalas]

apparently the us has decided it can murder its citizens without trial as long as it labels them "terrorists"

http://www.cnn.com/2011/09/30/world/africa/yemen-radical-cleric/index.html

Add the requirement that they be out of country, and the host country is not producing results at arresting them itself after an official request.

 

[OutHouse]

The same thing can be said about George Washington, Benjamin Franklin, Thomas Jefferson,,,,, and everyone else that promoted a war between the crown and the states.

Regardless of what Anwar al-Awlaki said, he was still a US citizen. As a citizen, was entitled to due process.

No person shall be devoid of life, liberty or property without the due process of law.



I do not support any political party that kills citizens without due process.

What obama did was wrong.

did you just compare a dirt-bag terrorist who waged war upon women and children to our founding fathers???

 

[her209]

Article 3, Section 3: Treason

Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court.

The Congress shall have Power to declare the Punishment of Treason, but no Attainder of Treason shall work Corruption of Blood, or Forfeiture except during the Life of the Person attainted.

 

[Texashiker]

A deep felt thank you to all who accomplished this mission,

A thank you to people who killed a US citizen without a trial? You have got to be kidding me?

We can not pick and choose to whom the law applies.

By killing a US citizen without due process, all of our rights have been eroded. Whats next? Only white chiristians get a trial by jury? All others are taken out behind the court house and shot without a trial?

We can not expect the rights of one group to be taken away, and our rights upheld.

Every US citizen deserves equal protection under the law - regardless of location, religion, race,,,, or anything else.

did you just compare a dirt-bag terrorist who waged war upon women and children to our founding fathers???

Yes I did.

Who decides whether a person is a terrorist? The victories do. If the founding fathers lost the revolution, they would have been executed as traitors.

 

[OutHouse]

So all people suspected of a crime should surrender, or they will be shot on sight?

Last I heard, freedom of speech was not a crime.

wtf? dude you sound as dumb as our resident P&N beloved patriot terrorist.

 

[cwjerome]

That is laughable.

No exceptions should be made in due process for US citizens. We can not pick and choose to whom the law applies, and who the law does not apply to.

"Every" citizen is entitled to equal protection under the law. That is the very foundation of our legal system.

You may find it funny but there is no clear cut legal answer on the issue. We have argued and determined what exactly due process is, what is means, and how it applies to people for over 200 years. This is a new facet, and what due process looks like in this context might be different from what due process looks like for an old lady who steals a purse in New York City.

Targeted killings have a lot of ethical and political components to work through. There is already a large apparatus in place with drone strikes in general, and the government should go to even greater lengths and checks before targeting an American citizen overseas, including probably warnings/announcements, opportunities for the person to turn himself in, threat, opportunity, and the very highest levels of permission.

People cannot use their citizenship as a magic shield to protect themselves when they join our enemies overseas and work to carry out violence attacks on us.

 

[Texashiker]

You may find it funny but there is no clear cut legal answer on the issue.

Due process. Its very clear cut.

People cannot use their citizenship as a magic shield to protect themselves when they join our enemies overseas and work to carry out violence attacks on us.

Let me get this straight, if someone commits a crime in the US, and leaves the country, instead of bringing that person to trial, we should send over the military and kill that person.

There are no exceptions to due process - trial by jury, its the American way.

Since there was no trial, our government excused an innocent person. A person is innocent until proven guilty in a court of law, and there are no exceptions.

 

[her209]

Let me get this straight, if someone commits a crime in the US, and leaves the country, instead of bringing that person to trial, we should send over the military and kill that person.

There are no exceptions to due process - trial by jury, its the American way.

That's very different from going overseas to work with people trying to do harm to the people and government of the US.

 

[Texashiker]

That's very different from going overseas to work with people trying to do harm to the people and government of the US.

The US government executed an innocent man, and somehow his location made that ok?

Exactly how does that work out?

I am sure there are people in foreign countries that committed crimes in the US, and they can not be extradited. Will the US government kill those people as well?

Whats next? Its to dangerous to serve a search warrant, so its "ok" to burn someones house down in the middle of the night, killing everyone inside?

 

[her209]

The US government executed an innocent man, and somehow his location made that ok?

Exactly how does that work out?

I am sure there are people in foreign countries that committed crimes in the US, and they can not be extradited. Will the US government kill those people as well?

Whats next? Its to dangerous to serve a search warrant, so its "ok" to burn someones house down in the middle of the night, killing everyone inside?

You're comparing someone who fled the country in lieu of committing a crime to avoid prosecution with someone who left the country to work with people who plot to kill Americans and bring down the US government. It doesn't work.

 

[werepossum]

Good for Pres. Obama and the military. A terrorist is a terrorist is a terrorist.

This. Exactly. This is a war, and the object is to kill the other side and break their things, not to "bring them to justice".

 

[cwjerome]

The US government executed an innocent man, and somehow his location made that ok?

Exactly how does that work out?

I am sure there are people in foreign countries that committed crimes in the US, and they can not be extradited. Will the US government kill those people as well?

Whats next? Its to dangerous to serve a search warrant, so its "ok" to burn someones house down in the middle of the night, killing everyone inside?

You need to stop the hysterics and tin foil slippery slopes. And stomping your feet while shouting "due process" isn't an argument. Due process of law is not a synonym for trial by jury.

I can make a better argument on your side and I don't even agree with it.