AMD's Richard Huddy on DirectX 11, Eyefinity, and the competition

[nemesismk2]

Yay...! Wreckage is back and adding 'value' to the forums again.

Where did Wreckage go?

 

[nemesismk2]

I don't think AMD have anything to cry about, they have had some amazing product releases recently unlike Nvidia who seem to have spent the last few years recycling their product line.

 

[tweakboy]

In my opinion DX11 is still the future not the present. Most games are DX9 and DX10 if your lucky.

Ok theres 1 game with DX11 lol , thats Dirt 2 ,, which I dislike as a game. How about NFS Shift getting a DX11 makeover ,, or something,

 

[KIAman]

Good read. The article mentioned he previously worked for Nvidia, anybody know what position he held and when?

 

[PingviN]

Ok theres 1 game with DX11 lol , thats Dirt 2 ,, which I dislike as a game. How about NFS Shift getting a DX11 makeover ,, or something,

The new STALKER game is out in the eastern block and Battle Forge is available world wide.

So, it's 3 games Not a great deal yet, but DirectX11 actually got a good start, something DirectX 10 never will get.

KIAman: "
Richard started working with 3DLabs in 1996, and from 1998 to 2002 he ran Nvidia's game developer relations program and as the first non-US member of staff he set up its European office."

 

[JimmiG]

I think Huddy is Charlies "source".

AMD needs to stop crying and start doing something.

You mean, like Nvidia? They've discontinued all GT200 cards, re-branded the G80/G92 countless times and in recent months released a couple of low-end cards that no one cares about, finally bringing DX10.1 support a few months after AMD brought out DX11 GPUs across the board. The rest, is just marketing.

Maybe AMD should do the same? Re-release the X1800 on 40nm as the GSO250RTX and just discontinue the 5800 series because they're too big and expensive to manufacture? Then buy some small company and make their tech proprietary by locking everyone else out via software, and proclaim it to be the best thing to ever happen to graphics...

Or maybe they should do like Intel and just cancel their next part altogether and only make integrated graphics that runs games at 8 FPS at 800x600...

The graphics division of AMD are the only ones who are doing something these days.

 

[Lonyo]

Nvidia needs to stop crying and start doing something.

They still don't have DX11, their multiple monitor support sucks, PhysX so far is a disappointment, OpenCL still hasn't done anything for most people, Fermi is vaporware and pretty soon they will be having to work the spin machine when Fermi launches and they still don't have widespread DX11 support.

Nvidia is so much PR spin with no substance.

Hi, I fixed your post for you.

 

[FiLeZz]

I think Huddy is Charlies "source".

AMD needs to stop crying and start doing something.

They still don't have physics, they still have poor developer relations, their OpenCL support sucks, their folding performance is in the garbage, DX11 so far is a disappointment, the 5970 is basically vaporware and pretty soon they will be sitting at the back of the bus again when Fermi launches.

That article read like so much PR spin with no substance. (granted it's clearly preaching to the choir here).

I must have two vaporware cards installed in my pc, because I have two 5970's in my box..

 

[ibex333]

I absolutely agree with the original post. The video card manufacturers are tricking us into buying these expensive video cards when it is very possible to create games with amazing gfx on much older video cards. It's just that they don't want to, and not because they cant. Many games are poorly coded, ON PURPOSE, to make it look like the GPU is more important than CPU when in many cases it isn't. We are buying these expensive multicore CPUs but they are not even being utilized to their max potential. Most often not even to 50% of that potential. The 64bit CPUs have been available for a while now, but I am still running most everything in 32bit mode. Not because I choose to, but because there ar very few things out there for an average consumer that are really benefiting from this technology. Again, this is probably a marketing trick, because if they wanted to, they could probably utilize the 64bit tech more.

I remember when I got my dual core CPU only two years ago, and now they are already strongly pushing quad cores, when I have barely seen any games or apps take advantage of my dual core cpu!!! Sure, there has been a certain number of such games and apps, but it's really not that much, when compared to the amount of software that runs just fine on single core CPUs. It's like a grain of sand in the sea...

And why the hell are they jumping onto the DX11 wagon, when we havent even seen all that many games take advantage of DX10 yet?!

Every time I hear about how some video card I have is outdated and needs replacement, a game comes out from some not so well known game company somewhere in Russia, Poland or Korea, and this game runs just fine on older video cards, somehow managing to look on par or better than games that can only run on much better faster video cards. Why is this I wonder? Do we really NEED better video cards to run prettier games or are they FORCING these video cards onto us, despite the fact that they could have squeezed out more life out of the older hardware with proper coding if they wanted to?

We are getting less and less performance for our money with every year, and this.. well.. it sucks.

 

[Wreckage]

I must have two vaporware cards installed in my pc, because I have two 5970's in my box..

Well right now the fastest card available on Newegg is a GTX295.

 

[hdfxst]

http://www.ewiz.com/detail.php?name=AT-5970_2G not hard to find

 

[Jaskalas]

Well right now the fastest card available on Newegg is a GTX295.

Products that are selling out like hotcakes aren't always available. Those collecting dust on the shelf are.

 

[Attic]

It's unfortunate that the community here lets these threads get derailed by a huge lack of integrity of one it's members in his attempt to spread misinformation and half truths. He's loud, but he shouldn't be given audience.

I gotta give AMD credit. I'm a huge PC game enthusiast and AMD is bringing good thinks to the PC gaming community, i'm just not seeing that from nVidia as much as I used to earlier in the decade. I liked the interview, found it worthwhile.

The point Huddy makes here when talking about developer relations and the difference between AMD and nVidia, "...the difference in the way [AMD] works - we work through enablement and opent standards. [Nvidia] works through closed standards and disablement,..."

100% agree with this point and I think it's importance can't be overstated. This difference in philosphoy between the the two companies directly affects the PC gaming environment going forward. Closed standards and disablement, what nVidia has been doing, is a very bad path to head down on if you want better PC games in the future.

 

[thilanliyan]

Products that are selling out like hotcakes aren't always available. Those collecting dust on the shelf are.

 

[evolucion8]

Well right now the fastest card available on Newegg is a GTX295.

Who kind of fool will pay $519 bucks for an obsolete GTX 295 when a single HD 5870 trade blows with it and cost $115 less, much lower power consumption plus DX11 and Eyefinity?

Try again.

 

[Lonyo]

Who kind of fool will pay $519 bucks for an obsolete GTX 295 when a single HD 5870 trade blows with it and cost $115 less, much lower power consumption plus DX11 and Eyefinity?

Try again.

But an HD5870 doesn't have PhysX and CUDA, so it's crap and worthless.

 

[thilanliyan]

Who kind of fool will pay $519 bucks for an obsolete GTX 295

Do you really need to ask? :\

 

[PingviN]

Products that are selling out like hotcakes aren't always available. Those collecting dust on the shelf are.

^This

Well said.

 

[FiLeZz]

Well right now the fastest card available on Newegg is a GTX295.

There are other means, other then newegg, although mine came from newegg.

ebay has lots of them..

 

[SlowSpyder]

Well right now the fastest card available on Newegg is a GTX295.

Well then that settles it. The 5970 is vaporware.

 

[BFG10K]

I found this interesting about Stalker:

We added DirectX 10.1 via a patch and improved their 10.0 code path with MSAA support as it's a deferred rendering game, which is more difficult to do. Deferred Rendering is a style of creating the content inside the game - games are either forward rendering or deferred rendering and it's very hard to get multisample anti-aliasing into a game that uses deferred rendering as the two fight each other. Well, we not only helped them do that for DirectX 10.1, because 10.1 adds the ability to do it specifically, but we also included the ability to do it on the DirectX 10 code path too. On our hardware, and on Nvidia's hardware. [AMD] believes in enabling.

I guess the Batman supporters would also advocate locking out MSAA in Stalker under DX10/10.1 on nVidia boards given ATi provided engineering resources to implement it.

 

[ShawnD1]

AMD needs to stop crying and start doing something.

..their folding performance is in the garbage

This is the one of the strange things I discovered when I built a new computer. When I ran GPU folding, the GPU client took 100% of one of my cores just to run. wtf? The computer I'm using right now uses about 5% CPU power to run folding on a GeForce 8800. AMD's GPU offloading is also pretty terrible in Anand's review of the new Flash beta, and AMD's GPU offloading didn't even work when Anand tried to run GPU video encoding. Flash and Badaboom worked great on the Nvidia hardware.

They need to get their asses in gear. Get some relationships going. Talk to the Adobe people and get all of Adobe's products to work on AMD video hardware. Work with the AutoCAD people. Work even harder with Microsoft and their DirectCompute project.

 

[Wreckage]

I found this interesting about Stalker:

I guess the Batman supporters would also advocate locking out MSAA in Stalker under DX10/10.1 on nVidia boards given ATi provided engineering resources to implement it.

Over 100 games have been improved using TWIMTBP program. I'm pretty sure a lot of those benefits worked on ATI cards. Heck even HL2 uses code licensed from NVIDIA and that was a game severely hyped by ATI.

I'm sorry you bought the wrong card and a lot of features (MSAA in Batman, PhysX, etc.) don't work for you. However, crying about it when the company you love was unwilling to do the work is just pathetic. My neighbor has a nice tractor that will mow my lawn just fine, but it's locked out and I can't use it. Ha! Do the work AMD. Do the work AMD. Do the work AMD. Do the work AMD. Do the work AMD.

 

[Schmide]

Heck even HL2 uses code licensed from NVIDIA and that was a game severely hyped by ATI.

I'm calling shenanigans. You've claimed this like 3 times. I've googled it, talked to people I know, nothing? Each time I ask for proof and you just ignore me.

 

[thilanliyan]

I'm sorry you bought the wrong card and a lot of features (MSAA in Batman, PhysX, etc.) don't work for you. However, crying about it when the company you love was unwilling to do the work is just pathetic.

Isn't BFG10K's primary card a GTX285 (maybe a GTX275?)? He's done some of his tests on it I think.