AMD's Quad Core Lineup Revealed

[jpeyton]

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Looks the the first ones are scheduled for production in June, hitting retail sometime this summer.

Intel will undoubtedly respond with a few Core 2 Quad releases of their own (hopefully the lower-clocked, lower-priced flavor).

This should be an interesting summer for both camps.

You can count me in for a pair of Opteron 2262s and a Core 2 Q6400

 

[Regs]

Yeap. Though I would like to see what the Desk Top models have to offer in terms of price/performance per watt.

 

[SickBeast]

4 cores is too much.

 

[jpeyton]

Originally posted by: SickBeast
4 cores is too much.

No way, I have four now and I wish I had eight.

Heavy multitasking + encoding + CS2 + VMWare.

 

[broly8877]

2 cores is *just* right for me... 4 cores would be great

 

[Furen]

Clocks are a bit low. These are Opteron parts so we might see some higher-clocked FX parts, though. AMD better outperform Core clock-for-clock by a decent margin or these 2.4GHz parts will get spanked by the year-old 2.67GHz Clovertown. It's pretty much a given that AMD will outperform Intel in FP, so ALU performance is what matters.

 

[jpeyton]

Originally posted by: Furen
Clocks are a bit low. These are Opteron parts so we might see some higher-clocked FX parts, though. AMD better outperform Core clock-for-clock by a decent margin or these 2.4GHz parts will get spanked by the year-old 2.67GHz Clovertown. It's pretty much a given that AMD will outperform Intel in FP, so ALU performance is what matters.

It has already been mentioned that the revisions for K8L won't be enough to outperform Core 2 clock-for-clock, core-for-core. K8L will be enough to close the gap (in some areas completely), and maybe even taking a small lead in some tests. Even after Barcelona comes out, if you're in the market for a single-socket quad-core system, Intel is your best bet.

Where AMD is looking to make some noise is in the dual/quad-socket platforms. The ample memory bandwidth of the Opteron platform plus the K8L revisions should give AMD the lead in 8-way server/workstation performance. Intel doesn't have any Core-based CPUs for their quad-socket platform, so there is no competition there (yet; late 2007/early 2008 will bring Intel's quad-socket Tigerton).

 

[hardwareking]

AMD already have the lead in 4S and 8S servers.Intel has nuthin worthwhile in those segments.
Releasing procs there will just boost AMD's lead.And AMD's architecture and platform scales better as more procs/cores are added compared to intel.

 

[Accord99]

Originally posted by: hardwareking
AMD already have the lead in 4S and 8S servers.Intel has nuthin worthwhile in those segments.
Releasing procs there will just boost AMD's lead.And AMD's architecture and platform scales better as more procs/cores are added compared to intel.

Intel with Tulsa is very competitve in key enterprise applications and AMD doesn't have much of a presence in the 8S market at all. Though the 8S x86 market is niche, and getting more so with multi-core processors.

 

[Furen]

Originally posted by: jpeyton
It has already been mentioned that the revisions for K8L won't be enough to outperform Core 2 clock-for-clock, core-for-core. K8L will be enough to close the gap (in some areas completely), and maybe even taking a small lead in some tests. Even after Barcelona comes out, if you're in the market for a single-socket quad-core system, Intel is your best bet.

Huh? It's already been mentioned? By whom? No one knows for sure just how Barcelona will perform, most of us are simply speculating with what is known. We should be seeing samples out in the while within the next month or two, and after that we'll be able to know with ceirtainty.

 

[Regs]

AMD is a little reluctant in the marketing department or they simply do not have a good working sample of the Barcelona core yet (which means they are still tweaking it for yields and such so a performance demo right not may not be the same for release).

Though my only guess with improved L2 and branch prediction alone, that the gaming performance crown will return to AMD. As for other things, I have no idea.

 

[Duvie]

Without better cooling solutions most of these quad cores are not as much fun to OC....A stock quad QX6700 on a stock HSF Intel provides hits high 70c in coretemp....Get to 3.2ghz and high end air wont keep orthos from hitting near 80c...

I expect AMDs 65nm process to be still immature and likely will run a tad hotter IMO. I dont see them ocing much for the overclockers.

We are all going to need more liquid cooled systems soon. The Coolit Freezon I am using is actually a 2 year old part that wasn't even designed for quads. It can keep my system at 58c after 26hours of prime on all 4 cores at 3.2ghz. 48c for my folding activities and a touch lower for most loaded activities. Coolit is coming out with a version built for kentsfield in 2Q 07. Once I hit 3.5ghz I am at 200watts of heat to dissipate and even then I hit 70-75c under prime....

 

[nyker96]

Tell me this can't be, so it means all those people who has AM2 will have to wait until end of the year to get quad core? unless they ditch their AM2 and get a socket F they can't get AMD quad. by then Intel would have already came out with second iteration of quads for the desktop masses. This isn't what they said originally!

 

[Furen]

Originally posted by: nyker96
Tell me this can't be, so it means all those people who has AM2 will have to wait until end of the year to get quad core? unless they ditch their AM2 and get a socket F they can't get AMD quad. by then Intel would have already came out with second iteration of quads for the desktop masses. This isn't what they said originally!

These are Opterons, I'm sure we'll see some AM2 Athlon X4s during Q3, as AMD already promised.

 

[Duvie]

Do any of you guys actually read this stuff?

It says production June 07 which geniuses is at the end of 2Q 07...It wont be avalable for retail for at least 2 months putting it around end of 3 quarter...

Also if opteron Am2 chips wont be in production until Q4 07 with launch TBD you can pretty much use logic to figure desktop versions will not be out in 3Q 07 and only weeks behind the opterons....Dual core X2's took 2-3 months to come behind the opteron dual cores....

Expect more like end of Q4 if we are lucky and who knows about availability.

If they delay desktops to Q4 then intel may have soe Penryn 45nm wolfdales and Yorkfields out by then...NOt a good move IMO....



<<These are Opterons, I'm sure we'll see some AM2 Athlon X4s during Q3, as AMD already promised.>>

Link me to this....I haven't seen any official roadmap showing this...and frankly that is all that matters.

 

[jpeyton]

Originally posted by: Duvie
It says production June 07 which geniuses is at the end of 2Q 07...It wont be avalable for retail for at least 2 months putting it around end of 3 quarter...

Right, and summer 2007 ends August 31st, two months after production.

 

[Duvie]

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: Duvie
It says production June 07 which geniuses is at the end of 2Q 07...It wont be avalable for retail for at least 2 months putting it around end of 3 quarter...

Right, and summer 2007 ends August 31st, two months after production.

NO...I know you have it right...Its the people thinking there will be AM2 desktop quad cores in Q3 that are delusional.....

Summer actually ends September 22nd....BUt I would assume launch in AUG-SEP 07 with retail availability 2-4 weeks later. Then add 2-3 months for AM2 desktop chips minimum will mean possible launch in DEC 07 but wide availability in Jan 08

 

[BlingBlingArsch]

i want 35W Kuma!..end of story.

 

[Viditor]

Originally posted by: Duvie
Do any of you guys actually read this stuff?

It says production June 07 which geniuses is at the end of 2Q 07...It wont be avalable for retail for at least 2 months putting it around end of 3 quarter...

Also if opteron Am2 chips wont be in production until Q4 07 with launch TBD you can pretty much use logic to figure desktop versions will not be out in 3Q 07 and only weeks behind the opterons....Dual core X2's took 2-3 months to come behind the opteron dual cores....

Expect more like end of Q4 if we are lucky and who knows about availability.

If they delay desktops to Q4 then intel may have soe Penryn 45nm wolfdales and Yorkfields out by then...NOt a good move IMO....



<<These are Opterons, I'm sure we'll see some AM2 Athlon X4s during Q3, as AMD already promised.>>

Link me to this....I haven't seen any official roadmap showing this...and frankly that is all that matters.

Daily Tech messed up the roadmap...
It's physically impossible to start production in June, and deliver in mid 2007.
My guess is that what was meant is that shipping begins in June, and availability is mid 07.

 

[Viditor]

Originally posted by: Duvie

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: Duvie
It says production June 07 which geniuses is at the end of 2Q 07...It wont be avalable for retail for at least 2 months putting it around end of 3 quarter...

Right, and summer 2007 ends August 31st, two months after production.

NO...I know you have it right...Its the people thinking there will be AM2 desktop quad cores in Q3 that are delusional.....

Summer actually ends September 22nd....BUt I would assume launch in AUG-SEP 07 with retail availability 2-4 weeks later. Then add 2-3 months for AM2 desktop chips minimum will mean possible launch in DEC 07 but wide availability in Jan 08

You are assuming that the word "production" is correct in DT's hand written roadmap...it isn't. I have heard that production has already begun and that shipping commences in the second week of June.

 

[Duvie]

Originally posted by: Viditor

Originally posted by: Duvie

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: Duvie
It says production June 07 which geniuses is at the end of 2Q 07...It wont be avalable for retail for at least 2 months putting it around end of 3 quarter...

Right, and summer 2007 ends August 31st, two months after production.

NO...I know you have it right...Its the people thinking there will be AM2 desktop quad cores in Q3 that are delusional.....

Summer actually ends September 22nd....BUt I would assume launch in AUG-SEP 07 with retail availability 2-4 weeks later. Then add 2-3 months for AM2 desktop chips minimum will mean possible launch in DEC 07 but wide availability in Jan 08

You are assuming that the word "production" is correct in DT's hand written roadmap...it isn't. I have heard that production has already begun and that shipping commences in the second week of June.

Well "what you heard" isn't much of proof to us....sorry to say it....

We have long trusted these roadmaps....We are commenting on this roadmap...

We will see what happens...speculation is always troublesome....What I am commenting on is what we have in front of us...

 

[Viditor]

Originally posted by: Duvie

Originally posted by: Viditor

Originally posted by: Duvie

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: Duvie
It says production June 07 which geniuses is at the end of 2Q 07...It wont be avalable for retail for at least 2 months putting it around end of 3 quarter...

Right, and summer 2007 ends August 31st, two months after production.

NO...I know you have it right...Its the people thinking there will be AM2 desktop quad cores in Q3 that are delusional.....

Summer actually ends September 22nd....BUt I would assume launch in AUG-SEP 07 with retail availability 2-4 weeks later. Then add 2-3 months for AM2 desktop chips minimum will mean possible launch in DEC 07 but wide availability in Jan 08

You are assuming that the word "production" is correct in DT's hand written roadmap...it isn't. I have heard that production has already begun and that shipping commences in the second week of June.

Well "what you heard" isn't much of proof to us....sorry to say it....

We have long trusted these roadmaps....We are commenting on this roadmap...

We will see what happens...speculation is always troublesome....What I am commenting on is what we have in front of us...

Since it's physically impossible for the roadmap to be correct, I would probably reconsider that in this case...

 

[Duvie]

Wouldn't be the first time I have seen little errors like that. Still doesn't lend credence to AM2 desktop parts by Q3 2007.....It shows production in AM2 opteron parts in Q4 with no shipping date listed.

You need to come to the table with some proof when using assumptions.....


Mid doesn't mean the precise mid point. I can assume it could be +/- 1 month. So if production say started june 1st then July 31st laucnh would make since. Many times I have gotten chips with a fab date about 2 months from the time I get it. I haven't seen many less then this. So basically I dont see anything you are saying that refutes the roadmap....

 

[jpeyton]

Lots of bold claims made here.

We'll see if they materialize.

 

[Hard Ball]

Originally posted by: Duvie
Wouldn't be the first time I have seen little errors like that. Still doesn't lend credence to AM2 desktop parts by Q3 2007.....It shows production in AM2 opteron parts in Q4 with no shipping date listed.

You need to come to the table with some proof when using assumptions.....


Mid doesn't mean the precise mid point. I can assume it could be +/- 1 month. So if production say started june 1st then July 31st laucnh would make since. Many times I have gotten chips with a fab date about 2 months from the time I get it. I haven't seen many less then this. So basically I dont see anything you are saying that refutes the roadmap....

Few here realize that this "newly obtained" roadmap is actually 4+ months old.