AMD's Gaming Evolved snags FarCry3

[NIGELG]

Google: BetaMax...

The inferior solution won...

http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2003/jan/25/comment.comment


Some will disagree.

 

[railven]

And it was said that VHS had the most porn which is what im told helped VHS win.

That, I never heard/read of, but I do recall reading when the Porn Industry switched from 8mm film, they ran into the Betamax vs VHS issue, and chose VHS because of cost, record time, and overally fexibility.

VHS had far more redeeming qualities than Betamax and that is ultimately won that format war.

A better example of forcing a winner, HD DVD vs Blu-Ray. HD DVD had EVERYTHING, yet Blu-Ray won through sheer force.

 

[Final8ty]

That, I never heard/read of, but I do recall reading when the Porn Industry switched from 8mm film, they ran into the Betamax vs VHS issue, and chose VHS because of cost, record time, and overally fexibility.

VHS had far more redeeming qualities than Betamax and that is ultimately won that format war.

A better example of forcing a winner, HD DVD vs Blu-Ray. HD DVD had EVERYTHING, yet Blu-Ray won through sheer force.

One more issue is worthy of note—pornography. There is a claim that adult content was not available on Betamax (possibly because Sony would not allow it) while it was becoming readily available on VHS. Whether or not this was really a factor is a contentious topic. Many sources have referred to it as fact (including Wikipedia) while others have made a campaign of debunking the "Myth of Betamax & porn". In researching this article I was unable to find any substantiated evidence that pornography sales significantly influenced the outcome of the war.

http://www.mediacollege.com/video/format/compare/betamax-vhs.html

 

[SlowSpyder]

Google: BetaMax...

The inferior solution won...

Nvermind... read your post wrong.

 

[railven]

http://www.mediacollege.com/video/format/compare/betamax-vhs.html

From your quote:

In researching this article I was unable to find any substantiated evidence that pornography sales significantly influenced the outcome of the war.

Which is what tied to what I said, I know when I got interested in the subject the pornography industry picked VHS over Betamax, thus VHS had more (if not all) the pornography.

But, I've never read/heard anything that was based on facts that supported the claim that "VHS won the war because it had porn."

 

[SirPauly]

Blatant dishonesty. Fun fact -- there is a non-GPU accelerated version of PhysX that a lot more games use, which Nvidia supports regardless of the platform. If support was really a problem, that would not be happening. They are also lying about it being "great for people" if they figure out how to make it work. Nvidia actively prevents AMD cards from being used in hybrid PhysX. WHen that lockout is hacked, hybrid PhysX works great. If they don't want to make the effort to support it, fine. Just don't block it and let users figure out how to make it work. But these statements combined with the reality of what Nvidia does to prevent hybrid PhysX makes it seem like Nvidia is lying through their teeth on this one.

If you invested possibly over 100 million dollars into PhysX -- do all the work -- all the risk -- your view may differ. I would like to see nVidia rethink the move from a consumer point-of-view, specifically so more gamers may enjoy the content officially, which may offer incentive for developers to add more content, but it's clear, nVidia desires to keep PhysX a nVidia only platform -- driver support to possibly leverage it.

If it bothers some strongly - some may voice a view or voice with one's wallet.

 

[Final8ty]

From your quote:



Which is what tied to what I said, I know when I got interested in the subject the pornography industry picked VHS over Betamax, thus VHS had more (if not all) the pornography.

But, I've never read/heard anything that was based on facts that supported the claim that "VHS won the war because it had porn."

I didn't say anything about facts, the fact is it was talked about and you said that you had not come across talk about it, so i gave you a link to show that it was talked about.

 

[AnandThenMan]

The reason Nvidia is not allowing PhysX on AMD hardware is very simple. The are trying to drive AMD out of the market, one sale of an Nvidia card for PhysX is one less sale for AMD. Nvidia is not so interested in profiting directly here. They are free to do what they want with PhysX, that is their choice and their right a a company. But where they descend into anti competitive territory is specifically looking for AMD hardware and preventing PhysX from functioning.

Anyone that supports this type of corporate behavior simply does not care about allowing the market to truly decide.

 

[Silverforce11]

The reason Nvidia is not allowing PhysX on AMD hardware is very simple. The are trying to drive AMD out of the market, one sale of an Nvidia card for PhysX is one less sale for AMD. Nvidia is not so interested in profiting directly here. They are free to do what they want with PhysX, that is their choice and their right a a company. But where they descend into anti competitive territory is specifically looking for AMD hardware and preventing PhysX from functioning.

Anyone that supports this type of corporate behavior simply does not care about allowing the market to truly decide.

Physx is an NV feature, they can do with it however they wish because only they set the rules for its implementation and usage.

If you dont like what they are doing, don't buy their products and support that practice. Thus, you, a small part of the market, decides. Just as i dislike Apple's practices, hence i don't buy their products.

Whats worse are ppl who buy the products of companies they dislike for ethical, moral or other reasons. Doing so, you have directly supported their actions.

 

[blackened23]

The reason Nvidia is not allowing PhysX on AMD hardware is very simple. The are trying to drive AMD out of the market, one sale of an Nvidia card for PhysX is one less sale for AMD. Nvidia is not so interested in profiting directly here. They are free to do what they want with PhysX, that is their choice and their right a a company. But where they descend into anti competitive territory is specifically looking for AMD hardware and preventing PhysX from functioning.

Anyone that supports this type of corporate behavior simply does not care about allowing the market to truly decide.

Are you kidding me dude? Physx has been appearing in 1 title a year and is really not impressive - not impressive enough to make a sole buying decision based on that. Is it a perk? sure. One that I care about? No. (IMO). If either of those 2 facts change then MAYBE you would have a point...

 

[3DVagabond]

Who is us?

GPU Physics isn't innovative is like saying GPU Processing isn't innovative! Choice is not a positive at all. Trying to improve the gaming experience and immersion isn't a positive -- nothing good at all.

It's just division, fragmentation and chaos? Only one side of the coin? Noticed you didn't disagree with me there!

Innovation gives us something new and/or improved. PhysX has given us licensing and lock outs. Without PhysX we have smoke and debris on everyone's computer. With PhysX we have it on computers that have nVidia GPU's only. Just having an nVidia GPU isn't enough either. You have to use them exclusively or nVidia will render your card that you bought because it offers PhysX useless. I call that totalitarianism, not innovative. There is nothing positive at all, except for nVidia and the devs they pay to use it, with PhysX. It offers nothing new, nothing exciting, nothing innovative.

 

[Final8ty]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=zE6xurZyYc4

 

[blackened23]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=zE6xurZyYc4

So EA games will be under AMD gaming evolved now? If that's true its a huge win for AMD I guess. I'm still miffed at EA for ruining numerous design studios such as bullfrog, bioware, etc.

 

[SirPauly]

Innovation gives us something new and/or improved. PhysX has given us licensing and lock outs. Without PhysX we have smoke and debris on everyone's computer. With PhysX we have it on computers that have nVidia GPU's only. Just having an nVidia GPU isn't enough either. You have to use them exclusively or nVidia will render your card that you bought because it offers PhysX useless. I call that totalitarianism, not innovative. There is nothing positive at all, except for nVidia and the devs they pay to use it, with PhysX. It offers nothing new, nothing exciting, nothing innovative.

Appreciate your view - but, don't agree with it!

 

[Dankk]

Minimum/Recommended/"Hi-Performance" specs have been released by Ubisoft.

http://www.shacknews.com/article/75919/far-cry-3-system-requirements-confirmed#

Minimum Specs

CPU: Intel Core2 Duo E6700/AMD Athlon64 X2 6000+ or equivalent dual-core
Video: Nvidia GTX8800/AMD Radeon HD2900 or equivalent 512MB DirectX 9c card
Memory: 4GB

Recommended Specs

CPU: Intel Core i3-530/AMD Phenom II X2 565 or equivalent quad-core
Video: Nvidia GTX480/AMD Radeon HD5770 or equivalent 1024MB DirectX 11 card
Memory: 4GB

Hi-Performance Specs

Video: Nvidia GTX680/AMD Radeon HD7970 or equivalent shiny new DirectX 11 card
CPU: Intel Core i7-2600K/AMD Bulldozer FX4150 or equivalent quad-core
Memory: 8GB

The DRM involves, as per Ubisoft's new policy, a one-time activation through Uplay. You'll only need to be online if you want to play multiplayer, such as the intriguing four-player co-op.

 

[Silverforce11]

Minimum/Recommended/"Hi-Performance" specs have been released by Ubisoft.

http://www.shacknews.com/article/75919/far-cry-3-system-requirements-confirmed#

LOL thats some messed up recommendations:

"Nvidia GTX480/AMD Radeon HD5770 or equivalent 1024MB DirectX 11 card"

Faildozer FX4 series vs 2600K? Are they insane?

 

[Spjut]

LOL thats some messed up recommendations:

"Nvidia GTX480/AMD Radeon HD5770 or equivalent 1024MB DirectX 11 card"

Faildozer FX4 series vs 2600K? Are they insane?

AMD Gaming Evolved must have done wonders for their hardware in this game

 

[RussianSensation]

So EA games will be under AMD gaming evolved now? If that's true its a huge win for AMD I guess. I'm still miffed at EA for ruining numerous design studios such as bullfrog, bioware, etc.

I think that's just in regard to Medal of Honor Warfighter which was confirmed by HWC as a new AMD Gaming Evolved title. The more interesting development is that AMD grabbed Far Cry 3, Bioshick Infinite, MoH:W, Hitman Absolution and Tomb Raider, leaving NV with what major game left? Given how much faster AMD cards are in Metro 2033, Metro Last Light will probably run faster on AMD cards as well. The next major TWIMTBP title appears to be Crysis 3. NV cards perform well in Frostbite 2.0 games though so NV may not care that AMD grabbed MoH:W in the first place. Can't see Dishonored, Assassin's Creed 3, Dead Space 3, Black Ops 2, Epic Mickey 2, NFS: MW, or Resident Evil 6 to be very GPU demanding. Looks like NV doesn't think it's worth it to throw a lot of money to optimize performance for console ports.

AMD Gaming Evolved must have done wonders for their hardware in this game

Sounds like another useless specifications on a game box. I never pay attention to those things. FX4150 as fast as a 2600k? Ya right.

 

[Red Hawk]

LOL thats some messed up recommendations:

"Nvidia GTX480/AMD Radeon HD5770 or equivalent 1024MB DirectX 11 card"

Faildozer FX4 series vs 2600K? Are they insane?

They also match up Athlon X2 with Core 2 Duo for the minimum, and Phenom II X2 with Nehalem i5 for the mid level recommended spec. It's clear whoever wrote these recs had a bias. :whiste:

 

[Dankk]

LOL thats some messed up recommendations:

"Nvidia GTX480/AMD Radeon HD5770 or equivalent 1024MB DirectX 11 card"

Faildozer FX4 series vs 2600K? Are they insane?

Sounds like another useless specifications on a game box. I never pay attention to those things. FX4150 as fast as a 2600k? Ya right.

Yup and yup. Typically, the guy who puts those system requirements on video game boxes doesn't have his head screwed on straight. Didn't Max Payne 3's "official" recommended specs include 16GB of RAM or something?

I wouldn't worry about it. Just wait until 3rd party review sites can actually do some tests with it, only then will we have an idea.