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AMD's Cayman - HD 6900 series info delayed till week of Dec 13th

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Well shoot, I hope they still do a paper launch at the same time, I want to see numbers.

No cussing in the technical forums please.

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apoppin said:
Are you really kidding me? If you were expecting one before X-mas then it is very bad news.
^_^

No drama. The title is purely informative. The post you quoted is my personal feelings of extreme disappointment. i actually got a launch date from AMD and was expecting one in my hands very shortly.

i felt much the same way with Fermi delays. :|
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Are you allowed to tell us whether you have Cayman's for testing yet? Sorry for the potentially stupid question, but I'm not sure how far the 'd' in NDA functions.

From that email it still seems that the 5XXX series are selling well. Faxon (a Fry's employee on the forums) implied the same in his store: that AMDs cards had and have been selling well, only impacted by Nvidia's sharp price cuts and the rebates offered on Nvidia cards at the time.

It sucks for us enthusiasts to get the cards later but if it makes AMD more money in the long run...who are we to blame them? Of course it could just be damage control on a delayed product, but who knows, either way.
 
Aristotelian said:
Are you allowed to tell us whether you have Cayman's for testing yet? Sorry for the potentially stupid question, but I'm not sure how far the 'd' in NDA functions.

From that email it still seems that the 5XXX series are selling well. Faxon (a Fry's employee on the forums) implied the same in his store: that AMDs cards had and have been selling well, only impacted by Nvidia's sharp price cuts and the rebates offered on Nvidia cards at the time.

It sucks for us enthusiasts to get the cards later but if it makes AMD more money in the long run...who are we to blame them? Of course it could just be damage control on a delayed product, but who knows, either way.
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As you can see, Cayman is officially delayed. No one would probably have the final card now; anything else would probably be engineering samples and generally only the partners get those.

If there are problems with a HW part, it is reasonable that AMD would know when the problem eases - and setting Dec 13th as the week for info also gives them time to do everything including fine-tuning of clocks, BIOSes and drivers.

i would not start to worry until after Dec 13; if there is a second delay then, it might be indicative of deeper issues.
 
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What does this part do on the card? I find it interesting they couldnt divert supply from the 6800 series for a quicker launch? It isnt like they dont know the supply chain from TI on this item.
 
Genx87 said:
What does this part do on the card? I find it interesting they couldnt divert supply from the 6800 series for a quicker launch? It isnt like they dont know the supply chain from TI on this item.
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They probably make money off the 6800s than they would on the 6900s.
 
shangshang said:
As you predicted huh?

I guess AMD must have a load of R&D money left to send those engineers back to the boiler room for 1 more month to fix the card huh? Oh wait, the issue is component supplies. But as you predicted..... lol you're comical dude
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When you are too slow to catch something it's better asking questions first or you might end up looking like an ignorant loudmouth calling others comical...


Personal attacks are not acceptable.

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tviceman said:
You predicted wrong. And so did Silverforce.... again.
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If you have something to say, do it. If you don't why spamming the thread with worthless nonsense?

Personal attacks are not acceptable.

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Skurge said:
They probably make money off the 6800s than they would on the 6900s.
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I doubt they would make "more" money. The 6900 series should due to its pricing be a lower volume but higher profit part. I just dont understand how they couldnt have seen this coming and diverted this chip to 6900 series cards without really hurting 6800 series supply. Just seems weird to me.

Also curious what it is supposed to do. Is this something another older higher supply part could do? Seems silly to use a part so new TI doesnt even list it for your flagship products and thus limiting your own supply.
 
Arkadrel said:
http://translate.google.com/transla...kaistaan-viikolla-50?p=1#kommentti-22&act=url


Link above is a from a finnish site, it explains why the 6970 are late.

Apperntly its about a small chip called a "driver-MOSFET" made by Texas Instruments. Theyre (amd) supply constrained with these currently.

This little guy (below) is why you cant buy a 6970 yet.
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This "driver-MOSFET" is also used in the 6870 and 6850's..... Anyways soon as TI have more of these little guys at amd we should see them pumping out 6970's.
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They call it a rumor - correctly because it's a one-liner without any evidence.
Unless it's something of a new, high-end piece - doubt it - or TI had a fire in its plants etc it's pretty much bollocks.


Also when a translator engine outputs "box of cereal" I don't think I will trust it... 😀
 
apoppin said:
As you can see, Cayman is officially delayed. No one would probably have the final card now; anything else would probably be engineering samples and generally only the partners get those.

If there are problems with a HW part, it is reasonable that AMD would know when the problem eases - and setting Dec 13th as the week for info also gives them time to do everything including fine-tuning of clocks, BIOSes and drivers.
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I would go even further: they might be even connected (hence my point about the possibility of some high-end component is on short supply)...

At any rate it comes handy for tweaking the hell out of the cards they have already in hand, I agree.

i would not start to worry until after Dec 13; if there is a second delay then, it might be indicative of deeper issues.
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Fully agreed.
 
Genx87 said:
I doubt they would make "more" money. The 6900 series should due to its pricing be a lower volume but higher profit part. I just dont understand how they couldnt have seen this coming and diverted this chip to 6900 series cards without really hurting 6800 series supply. Just seems weird to me.

Also curious what it is supposed to do. Is this something another older higher supply part could do? Seems silly to use a part so new TI doesnt even list it for your flagship products and thus limiting your own supply.
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Thats assuming it will have a much higher price. It could always end up slower than a 580 and thus be cheaper.
 
T2k said:
As I predicted, they are working hard to make it into a killer - it's practically an extra month now so it can make a lot of difference...
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or, more likely, they are having driver issues related to going to 4v and having maufacturing issues b/c they're not used to building so large a chip. amazing that nvidia was 7 mos late last time and now all of a sudden it's amd who can't get out the refresh on time. And before any zoners jump in on me about that last comment, I define "on time" as "in time for the xmas selling season". If this was just about perf relative to gtx 580 they would still rush it out b/c they are going to lose a LOT of sales by not being available on BF.
 
Skurge said:
AMD must be pissed though, if it really is a shortage of DrMOS chips.

They planned out their strategy really well for the last 2 gens to launch as the most important times of the year and a tiny component messes up their launch through no fault of their own.
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I find it hard to believe that TI gave them no warning that this might happen. And if that happened then why did they use them all on 68x0? I think there's more to this story. IDK used to work there I think, hopefully he can get in touch with some old work buddies and get the real story here.

apoppin said:
As you can see, Cayman is officially delayed. No one would probably have the final card now; anything else would probably be engineering samples and generally only the partners get those.

If there are problems with a HW part, it is reasonable that AMD would know when the problem eases - and setting Dec 13th as the week for info also gives them time to do everything including fine-tuning of clocks, BIOSes and drivers.

i would not start to worry until after Dec 13; if there is a second delay then, it might be indicative of deeper issues.
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it's amazing how quickly the tables can turn, isn't it? that message was 100% damage control, there's no way that they deliberately waited to release 69x0 just b/c "5870 is selling super dooper good". maybe part of the reason they changed barts to 68x0 instead of 67x0 was that they anticipated this kind of delay.

I'll say the same thing I said about fermi last year: the later cayman is, the faster it needs to be. if it's two weeks late but still squeeks in before xmas they'll probably be able to get away with ~ gtx 480 performance. however, if it drags on into jan/feb/etc then there will be more and more pressure to produce something more powerful, not least b/c 7xxx and maxwell get closer every day.
 
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I was wondering why Amazon went on such a huge backorder delay for many of the 6800 series. The part shortage would explain it.

I cancelled my order with them and got one elsewhere. 😀
 
Looks like it's gonna be a tough holiday season for AMD. A mid-December or later release will crimp the holiday sales. If NV could actually drop the 570/560 parts within the next 2 weeks look out:hmm:
 
T2k said:
They call it a rumor - correctly because it's a one-liner without any evidence.
Unless it's something of a new, high-end piece - doubt it - or TI had a fire in its plants etc it's pretty much bollocks.


Also when a translator engine outputs "box of cereal" I don't think I will trust it... 😀
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Ooooh, you didn't hear? NV sunk the shipment. 🙂

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bryanW1995 said:
I find it hard to believe that TI gave them no warning that this might happen. And if that happened then why did they use them all on 68x0? I think there's more to this story. IDK used to work there I think, hopefully he can get in touch with some old work buddies and get the real story here.
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I agree the story is suspicious. But maybe true. Or maybe TI just called AMD and AMD was like, dammit, if you're going to hold us up, we're going to spend extra time on our drivers in the meantime. The folks with AIB contacts all said pre-Dec. 1 launch which makes me think this decision came from AMD from on high.

By the way, the fact that AMD even gave out a firm time for NDA lift means that they are confident that the product will be ready by then. Else they would simply have not said anything. Then again, we've seen misplaced confidence before.

By the way, Newegg has a 10% off video card sale with coupon, so they are jacking up prices on GTX580, HD6850, etc. to compensate. Don't read too much into the elevated prices, even if they're price gouging by 10 bucks on the GTX580. It is a bit disturbing to see Amazon prices going back up, though, to serious price-gouging levels. So you do have to wonder what's pushing Barts prices back up there--lack of supply, or overwhelming demand, or both, or something else?
 
too much demand combined with not enough supply, certainly it's both.

that does seem to validate somewhat the "suppliers issue", however.

I wonder what sort of financial penalties amd has tied into their supplier contracts for this sort of issue. missing BF by 2-3 weeks, and quite possibly the entire xmas shopping season should casue a very large penalty to kick in vs ti. I wonder if amd will use them in 7xxx? 😀
 
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