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AMD's Athlon XP 2000+ on sale in Japan

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... Which is precisely what I've been trying to say, AGodSpeed 😀

The 1900+ XP already competes VERY well with the 2.2GHz Northwood. The 2000+ XP will bring the two so close as to be negliglible. That leaves the usual -- price and mainboard. I think we know who has the advantage in both categories 😀

I'm not particularly convinced, first of all, that "all kinds" of people are hitting 2.9GHz with the 2.2GHz Northwood. Some, perhaps. I think 2.4 or 2.5 is more reasonable, and at that speed, Northwood will still (at best) hold only a slight performance advantage.
 
Hey guys your forgetting one thing, In that review they are using basic DDR memory with the P4. Equip the northwood 2.2ghz with RDRAM and you'll most likely see a another slight boost to the P4. Also this bench is done with the i845d which in most testing is the slower performer out of the new DDR boards although not by much.
 
Hey guys your forgetting one thing, In that review they are using basic DDR memory with the P4. Equip the northwood 2.2ghz with RDRAM and you'll most likely see a another slight boost to the P4. Also this bench is done with the i845d which in most testing is the slower performer out of the new DDR boards although not by much.

Intel's own i845 DDR mainboards win/lose to the i850 RDRAM boards by around 1-2%. So it really doesn't matter.

Btw, what do you mean to say about different DDR i845 boards? The i845-B?
 
well here the 850 is pretty dominant over the 845 DDR. It loses in one test I believe. And the 850 with RDRAM beats DDR by 10+% in some tests so it could make a difference. Add 2-3% to the northwood and it definatly give a slight boost to what is shown in these benchmarks. Add 3% to a few of those benchmarks and the northwood would be 10% faster in some tests,15% in quake. It could also mean the difference in the XP 2000+ vs the 2.2ghz northwood benchmarks. We should probably wait until a lot more reliable sources bench these guys.
 
So is this summary correct and fair:

The Intel P4 Northwood 2.2GHz (at 2.53GHz) runs about 10% faster than the AMD Athlon XP 1900+ (at 1.60GHz) in several different benchmarks?

Just looking for a summary here. 🙂
 
You want a summery?

Until more reputable websites post their reviews (except tom of course) we simply do not know yet one way or the other 🙂
 
It's good to know that AMD is keeping their processor releases consistent. Anyone know how well the Palomino core is expected to scale?
 
By the way, does anyone really care which CPU is faster? I always enjoy seeing faster CPU's come out, just for the sake of advancing technology. However, I don't really look in-depth into the newer releases because it's pretty damned hard to tell the difference between my 1GHz at stock speed and at 1275MHz with a 150MHz FSB. Once you have a 1GHz CPU or so, the clockspeed and performance becomes all but irrelevant. All that will do is help you get more frames in lower resolutions. That's not all that important. The frames obtained with those kinds of clockspeeds are more than acceptable. I'm much more interested in seeing where video cards go. For those of you who just can't help but care about a game running faster at 640x480 resolution, well, 10% is barely noticeable. I would call anything less than 10% negligible.
 


<< By the way, does anyone really care which CPU is faster? >>




You must be new here 😀

Welcome 😉


Actaully, I dont care what CPU is faster. I care what combination is faster with the mobo, ram, video card, etc.
 


<< T<< The 2000+ will likely fall in to the $325 - $350 price range VERY shortly.

That's about right, considering it outperforms a chip costing twice as much. >>



LOL From Pricewatch. Intel P4 2.0ghz= 395.00

Twice as much eh? LOL Back to school for you!

But you are correct it is faster at normal clock speeds. >>



I was referring to the 2.2GHz Northwood, actually. $660+

There's no competition between the 2000+ XP and the 2GHz Willamette. The XP eats it for dinner >>




<cough> So While the XP drops price.... INtel sits on its a$$ doing nothing? its funny how there is always two sied to a story... While XP drops price quick.... so does intel!!! wow!
 


<< Clock for clock, Northwood is but a mere piddance better than Willamette. About 7% on average. Clock for clock, Northwood is still eaten for dinner by AthlonXP (extrapolating Willamettes' figures and adding 10%). >>

 
Equal Clockspeed.. ha still wanna go through that? Until AMD can produce a 2.2Ghz CPU, not some stupid 2200+ PR, when The fastest intel CPU is a 2.2GHz then your points might me of any use. (not of direct intensions to Bulga)

By the way, Noticing that AMd releases each CPU @ increments of 66mhz, The rate at wich their clockspeed climbs is rather slow, considering that the Athlon core is coming to an end. ( i am guessing 2000+ or 2100+, 1.67Ghz or 1.73GHz will be the last b4 the next change comes in.)

From this thread i think everyone should look at a review from a respectable site, see the performance, see the overclockability, to settle this.
 
<< Clock for clock, Northwood is but a mere piddance better than Willamette. About 7% on average. Clock for clock, Northwood is still eaten for dinner by AthlonXP (extrapolating Willamettes' figures and adding 10%). >>

<< Equal Clockspeed.. ha still wanna go through that? Until AMD can produce a 2.2Ghz CPU, not some stupid 2200+ PR, when The fastest intel CPU is a 2.2GHz then your points might me of any use. (not of direct intensions to Bulga) >>

Yeah, Clock for clock is definatly not a fair comparison considering these CPU's are different. AMD XP( Stronger FPU/ALU) Intel P4( Longer Pipeline and faster ramp speeds). Not to mention a retail P4 1.6ghz=173.00 and retail 1.6ghz athlon XP= 279.00 at newegg.
 
MAN YOU GUYS ARE RICH, using super fast cpus at over 2ghz. Im just a poor college student who could barely afford the $100 for my 1.4GHZ tbird😀. Until the prices are at around that range, I could really give a damn whos fastests cuz they are both outta my reach. How bout donating one to this poor college student to try😉.
 
Christoph83 wrote:

"Not to mention a retail P4 1.6ghz=173.00 and retail 1.6ghz athlon XP= 279.00 at newegg."

LOL 😀

You do realize the 1.6GHz XP (1900+) absolutely eats the 1.6GHz Willamette (P4) for dinner? It's competitive with a chip costing more than twice as much.

I'll only reiterate that comparing an overclocked CPU to a stock one is a little stupid. Joe Blow won't be mounting a copper chunk and noisy Delta and spending the time trying to get a few extra MHz out of his CPU.

Therefore, comparing them logically, like I said ... it's a draw between a 2000+ XP and a 2.2GHz Northwood. If you'd like to spend twice as much for equal (and in some cases less) performance, go right ahead. I'll take a matched set of 2000+ XP which will absolutely annihiliate even a 3GHz Northwood 😀

EDIT: And before anyone whines that comparing an SMP configuration to a single CPU setup isn't "fair", I say baloney. It is when the cost is equal 🙂
 


<< Correct me if I'm wrong, but is it not fair to compare a stock speed AXP to an overclocked NW? I fully acknowledge that NW will be the overclocking monster of the universe until something else comes out (T-bred?), but you can't compare a stock processor to an overclocked processor. >>



But we can compare performance of the Northwood 2.2Ghz to the XP 2000 . . . it'll be pretty close . . . However, I DO plan to O/C my CPU - I do NOT care for SMP - in that case the Northwood is far more attractive to me.

And that $679 price is way overinflated. Look at the 2 Ghz P4 right now . . . it's under $400. It won't be long till the Northwood is also under $400 . . . I will have a choice to make at that time . . . However, I will be on vacation for the next 11 weeks - away from my desktop (with a notebook!) in Hawaii - until then, the choice is moot for me right now . . . WHATEVER single CPU offers the best O/C'd performance is the one I will choose (assuming I have money left after my vacation). . . .

EDIT: Evidently it's no big deal o/c'ing the Northwood. It is going to be running at a 533FSB pretty shortly . . . no "noisy fan" needed. 🙂
 
yawn. i rarely post anymore because of the degradation [sort of =)] of this forum.. but one question.. why do you guys really care whos the fastest.. =\
 
Pabster : Did I say anywhere that the P4 1.6ghz is faster than the XP at the same clock? I said its not fair to compare clock to clock because of the price....just like you were mentioning. Theres a lot of price comparison going on between two chips that arent even officially released yet. You seem to be doing the same type of comparisons your telling other people not to do. You say dont compare a overclocked CPU to a stock one which is definatly not fair, but yet you continue to compare a sub 350 dollar price for the XP 2000+ (when its going for 425 + dollars on the net)to a 2.2ghz northwood at 679 dollars a googlegear and these processors arent even officially released yet! You dont really think the 2.2ghz will stay at 679 when it hits release date do you?You keep saying the 2.2ghz will cost twice as much as the 2000+ but your not dropping the price for the northwood like you did for the XP. This is just like comparing a stock CPU to an overclocked one. It's an unfair comparison. We Both know that the 2.2ghz northwood and Athlon XP 2000+ will drop at launch,it just depends how much.
 


<< Christoph83 wrote:

"Not to mention a retail P4 1.6ghz=173.00 and retail 1.6ghz athlon XP= 279.00 at newegg."

LOL

You do realize the 1.6GHz XP (1900+) absolutely eats the 1.6GHz Willamette (P4) for dinner? It's competitive with a chip costing more than twice as much. >>



Erh? if the prices are right... the P4 1.6Ghz is twice as CHEAP compared to the Athlon 1.6Ghz.
 
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