AMD's Athlon plays catch-up with Intel: 2600+, and possible FSB increases

Ryan

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I'm happy :) I know that their is a thread about this from the Inquirer, but this is CREDIBLE source confermation :) http://zdnet.com.com/2100-1103-950216.html

"The chipmaker will introduce, at a minimum, an Athlon XP 2400+ and an Athlon XP 2600+ for desktop PCs toward the end of the month, sources familiar with AMD's plans said. AMD is also evaluating whether to increase the speed of the chip's front-side bus--the pathway used to shuttle data between the processor and PC memory. Doing so would boost the performance of future Athlon-based PCs.

The newest Athlon XPs will help AMD increase its competitiveness with archrival Intel's Pentium 4. The Pentium 4 currently tops out at 2.53GHz, while AMD's highest performance Athlon XP is a 2200+ model, which runs at 1.8GHz.

To get there, AMD moved up the launch of the 2600+ chip, which was not expected until the fourth quarter, to this month. The move helps AMD combat Intel's imminent 2.8GHz Pentium 4 launch. Intel moved the chip forward to this month from the fourth quarter to help stimulate demand, analysts said.

Both companies are expected to cut chip prices as the new chips become available.
AMD upping the ante harkens back to the two chipmakers' race to 1GHz in early 2000, analysts said. AMD won that horse race, but right now the Pentium 4 gives Intel the upper hand, analysts said.

"There's a twofold purpose behind these introductions. It's designed to juice the market and compete with the other guy," said Dean McCarron, analyst with Mercury Research. "It's no secret that Intel doesn't care much for AMD. That move increased Intel's strength against AMD at a time when AMD was more vulnerable than usual...due to its loss of market share and the (PC market) inventory problems of the second quarter."

AMD share of the PC processor market dropped 2.6 percent to 15.6 percent during the second quarter, while Hewlett-Packard, its main customer, struggled with excess inventory of consumer PCs.

AMD will battle back, however. Its new schedule calls for an Athlon XP 2800+ chip later in the year, sources said.

Under the company's model numbering system--designed to reflect the actual performance of the chip rather than its clock speed--the new 2400+ and 2600+ chips will perform as well as or better than Pentium 4 chips running at 2.4GHz and 2.6GHz. The 2400+ and 2600+ could have clock speeds in the range of 2.06GHz and 2.2GHz, based on AMD's previous Athlon XP models. Its Athlon XP 2200+ chip, for example, runs at 1.8GHz.

Meanwhile, AMD has other things in the works. The chipmaker is considering boosting the speed of Athlon XP's 266MHz front-side bus to faster 333MHz. The move would give the chip a performance boost by better matching the chip's bus frequency with its higher clock speed. The chip would also be able to take better advantage of higher bandwidth DDR333 (333MHz Double Data Rate SDRAM) memory.

"Customers have said they're interested (in the faster bus), and we're evaluating it. We're always looking to drive performance improvement," said Catharine Abbinanti, an AMD representative.

The company could benefit from a higher bus frequency, analysts say.

"Moving to 333MHz alone will probably buy (AMD) one or two clicks in model numbers," McCarron said.

AMD could pair the faster bus with a new version of the Athlon XP chip, code-named Barton, which is expected later in the year. The combination would allow AMD to produce new chips that are at least a couple of model numbers higher than the current ones, analysts said. (Barton has a larger, 512KB level 2 cache, allowing the chip to store more data on board and therefore increasing its performance.)

Some, however, might consider AMD's moves to make Athlon XP more competitive as the opening act. While it continues to improve the chip, AMD is finishing work on an all-new desktop processor, code-named "Clawhammer."

This new Athlon chip, expected to carry a model number of 3000+ or higher, is on track to begin shipping to PC makers later this year for wide scale introduction to the public early next year.

AMD declined to comment on its plans for higher Athlon XP model numbers. "
 

ElFenix

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/elfenix waits for the naming convention flame fest
 

grant2

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Raising the FSB but keeping the same performance rating scheme would buy back some credibility with people who say the PR is getting too optimistic lately.
 

CTho9305

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Originally posted by: grant2
Raising the FSB but keeping the same performance rating scheme would buy back some credibility with people who say the PR is getting too optimistic lately.

nah... i read the benchmarks and I still think it is a fair mark... we shall see how it continues with the new ones.
 

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Don't slam the Athlon, just look at how the 1.8GHz (2200+) is just about staying close to the 2.4Ghz P4, although the 2.56Ghz is now the fastest, AMD's baby is still keeping up at 600Mhz slower! A 2400+ would be 1.866Ghz right? It should in theory be close to the 2.56 P4 and the 2600+ (1.933Ghz) would be threatening the soon to be released 2.66Ghz P4.... You people just wait for the Hammer to hit Intel on the skull - they won't know it was there! Ever!
 

XMan

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Originally posted by: DeathByDuke
Don't slam the Athlon, just look at how the 1.8GHz (2200+) is just about staying close to the 2.4Ghz P4, although the 2.56Ghz is now the fastest, AMD's baby is still keeping up at 600Mhz slower! A 2400+ would be 1.866Ghz right? It should in theory be close to the 2.56 P4 and the 2600+ (1.933Ghz) would be threatening the soon to be released 2.66Ghz P4.... You people just wait for the Hammer to hit Intel on the skull - they won't know it was there! Ever!

The way I understand it, 100 points of PR rating is 66MHz.

So . . .

2300+ = 1.86 Ghz
2400+ = 1.93 Ghz
2600+ = 2.00 Ghz
 

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Originally posted by: Xerox Man
Originally posted by: DeathByDuke
Don't slam the Athlon, just look at how the 1.8GHz (2200+) is just about staying close to the 2.4Ghz P4, although the 2.56Ghz is now the fastest, AMD's baby is still keeping up at 600Mhz slower! A 2400+ would be 1.866Ghz right? It should in theory be close to the 2.56 P4 and the 2600+ (1.933Ghz) would be threatening the soon to be released 2.66Ghz P4.... You people just wait for the Hammer to hit Intel on the skull - they won't know it was there! Ever!

The way I understand it, 100 points of PR rating is 66MHz.

So . . .

2300+ = 1.86 Ghz
2400+ = 1.93 Ghz
2600+ = 2.00 Ghz

you missed a speed bump for 2500+ (2.00GHz)
2600+ = 2.06 GHz :)

-Ice
 

tokamak

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good news. intel is able to ramp up the p4 so high, it seems like AMD is getting a little overwhelmed trying to keep up.

and, since its impossible to post in an AMD thread without saying something about the naming system, i am hopeful that hammer will debut at high enough clock speeds to enable AMD to abandon the naming system. i think its time to lengthen the pipeline, boys, mhz sells.
 

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I hope this will have a tangible performance boost, as it appears that it does not from articles at Anand, THG, and the likes.
 

McCarthy

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I still think bumping the FSB is probably a bad idea.

Does it go faster? Yup.

But.

It doesn't go much faster. Like MrMan3k pointed out a number of sites have bumped the FSB with other Athlons and noted that when compared to the same mhz at a slower fsb the gains aren't extraordinary. The Athlon just doesn't benefit from the faster FSB the way a P4 does.

Faster, but not huge. Yet at the same time it confuses the issue for upgraders. Lots of people still have SDram system like I do or slower DDR already in place. Will a XP 2600+ benefit as much on my SDRam system as on a DDR333 system? Heck no. Will it go faster than anything under a 2600+? Heck ya. Will it decrease overall sales to have a single 2600+ based on a faster FSB that doesn't work on a lot of motherboards only because of the FSB? Yup. So then we need to have two lines of XPs with different default bus speeds as the XP gets to the end of it's cycle to satisfy upgraders who have SDRam or DDR2100 that won't take the extra speed. Does that yield more money on the bottom line than having a single line of XP's with 133mhz FSB?......

Well, guess we'll see. If they introduce it then I guess AMD has figured it is more profitable overall. I still doubt it though. When we get to the Barton, a completely transitionary product from what I gather, maybe it makes sense to displace a large number of upgraders at that point. While still under the XP flag it doesn't...

...at least to me.

Yeah, I like faster computers. Don't ever get me wrong there. But I also like AMD doing what's best for them even if it means 166mhz FSB will be skipped.

--Mc

 

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this sounds tasty
i'm wondering what kinda core modifications this revision will have
and how much better it will overclock
 

glenn1

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I still think bumping the FSB is probably a bad idea.

Does it go faster? Yup.

But.

It doesn't go much faster. Like MrMan3k pointed out a number of sites have bumped the FSB with other Athlons and noted that when compared to the same mhz at a slower fsb the gains aren't extraordinary. The Athlon just doesn't benefit from the faster FSB the way a P4 does.

I agree, i think the Barton core will offer a lot more in the way of improvement than the bump to a 166 bus. I'm not sure the chips will ever be made to do a head-to-head comparison, but it's probably safe to say that at equal clockspeeds, a Barton core on a 133 bus would beat the T-bred core on a 166 bus fairly handily.

As for Hammer, i'd say all bets are off. My intuition tells me, however, that it's not going to be the second coming some are hoping it's going to be. And this coming from an admitted AMD fanboy, and previous (and likely again in the future) AMD shareholder. I think it's probably going to take a core revision or three of the Hammer before it truly begins to shine, similar to the growing pains the P4 experienced.
 

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Originally posted by: DeathByDuke
Don't slam the Athlon, just look at how the 1.8GHz (2200+) is just about staying close to the 2.4Ghz P4, although the 2.56Ghz is now the fastest, AMD's baby is still keeping up at 600Mhz slower! A 2400+ would be 1.866Ghz right? It should in theory be close to the 2.56 P4 and the 2600+ (1.933Ghz) would be threatening the soon to be released 2.66Ghz P4.... You people just wait for the Hammer to hit Intel on the skull - they won't know it was there! Ever!

lol slow down there a bit. Hammer will be impressive to be sure, but Intel's Prescott is quite impressive, as well. I expect there will be a pretty tight race between Hammer and Prescott. As for a 2200+ staying right up there with a P4 2.4, while it certainly does match or beat a 2.4 in some benchmarks, I would say that overall a 2200+ is dead even with a P4 2.2. One very interesting thing is that AMD has apparantly altered its ratings system. A P4 2400+ should be 1.93GHz, not 2.06GHz and a 2600+ should be 2.13GHz not 2.2GHz. Extra MHz is always a good thing :D
 

BFG10K

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The processors look good but I wonder how much power they'll require and how much heat they'll produce.
 

Ryan

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Originally posted by: AnAndAustin
Another AMD 333FSB Thread

didn't I already say this in my first post?!?!?!?!?
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Ryan

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According to ZDnet, the 2400+ will be 2.06 ghz and the 2600+ will be 2.2ghz.