AMD's answer to Fermi is Trillian

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dguy6789

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With the way Fermi is shaping up, AMD won't have to introduce anything new at all to beat it. Of course an increase in core clocks for a refresh would be enough.
 
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You are debating like the Fermi and Trillian are out. I'd steer clear of deterministic statements either way.
 
OILFIELDTRASH

OILFIELDTRASH

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Fermi does not need an answer. I could draw you better graphics with an etch a sketch. Fermi does not exist as of now.
 
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Udgnim

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"but what we are quite sure is that Trillian won’t be enough" can be interpreted in many different ways. he must be extra special though knowing how Fermi will pan out.
 
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Lonyo

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Well since NV couldn't manage to put out dual GTX285's, and Fermi will use more power than a GTX285, anything they put out will be very cut down dual Fermi, so even if Fermi outperforms a single HD5870, a two GPU product might not exceed the HD5970.

And dual Fermi probably won't be seen particularly soon either, so there's no real need for ATI to put out a single GPU card which is loads faster.
At the end of the day, when Fermi launches, ATI will have the fastest single card in most situations, whether or not "Trillian" is a major step up from the HD5870. (HD5970 being a single card, since it uses one PCIe connector).

When it comes to dual GPU vs dual GPU, if there is a dual from NV, they will both be at the limits of power consumption, and it'll be a case of who can make their card most power efficient, not who has the most raw potential.

AMD/ATI have won now, they will be winning when Fermi launches, and the competition between fastest dual GPU card won't be one of raw potential, but power efficiency.
NV can't blow ATI away, because it's not possible unless they ignore the PCIe specification, therefore ATI have no true reason to be afraid.
 
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This seems like an odd comparison. Trillian is a specialty card for driving 6 displays at once, particularly to be paired with the 6-panel Samsung apparatus that the two of them were showing off last year. I don't know why you'd compare it to Fermi - Trillain is so niche that it doesn't even have DVI ports.
 
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i know people are bitching about Charlie, but honestly this article is horrible.
At least Charlie tries to justify his conclusions though his evidence may be questionable.
Here they are basically just ranting about AMD cutting them off from samples for something in the past, and then claiming trillian "won't be enough" despite the fact they don't have one and did not suggest they even had a ferm.

Also what the heck is "won't be enough"? By that do they mean a refresh and overclock won't make the 5870 faster than Fermi? If so that's a rather naive statement since it doesn't matter if it is or isn't as long as it's priced correctly. If the card is 30% faster than a 5870 and Fermi is only 50% faster than the two would still be in competition just like the 4890 can still compete with the faster Nvidia cards(GTX 275+) despite being slower. It's just cheaper and the extra performance to many consumers isn't worth the extra money.
I assume ATI would have a lot of leeway with the pricing since Fermi will probably not jeapordize current pricing of the 5870 (I assume it will be faster and pricier) so the card could be priced anywhere between the two cards and still generate a profit (I'm assuming it costs about the same as a 5870 to manufacture).
 
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ViRGE said:
This seems like an odd comparison. Trillian is a specialty card for driving 6 displays at once, particularly to be paired with the 6-panel Samsung apparatus that the two of them were showing off last year. I don't know why you'd compare it to Fermi - Trillain is so niche that it doesn't even have DVI ports.
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Trillian is not the 6 port Eyefinity edition of the 5870. I believe they are talking about something else. From the article

"Anyway, Trillian is a tuned HD 5870 card with slightly higher performance. Last year AMD boosted HD 4870 specifications with the HD 4890 1GHz card, and this is exactly what we expect this time around."
 
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MarcVenice

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Trillian, I think that's a name that popped up several months ago. Could be wrong

Fudzilla's articles are getting worse and worse though, especially Fuad's. Iv'e said it before, but it's as if he does some drugs and then just starts writing randomn bullshit.

I haven't heard about Trillian btw, but we do get all samples from AMD, and they let you know about upcoming samples a few weeks in advance, or more if it's something big, like the HD 5870.
 
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soccerballtux said:
for a refresh they'd probably go back to the first 5870 design.
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It will be interesting to see how much efficiency increase they get.

The 55nm RV790 core was smaller than the 55nm RV770 core, but faster at the same time.

Maybe this reduction in size could pave the way for allowing sideport on Cypress? I would imagine synchronizing two Cypress Cores would make it feel like a single much larger GPU.
 
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GodisanAtheist

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The source contained almost nothing at all, except to tell us there would be a 5870 refresh, which we all knew was coming anyway...
 
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SlowSpyder

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Udgnim said:
"but what we are quite sure is that Trillian won&#8217;t be enough" can be interpreted in many different ways. he must be extra special though knowing how Fermi will pan out.
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I have no idea how fast Fermi will be or how fast a refreshed and tweaked Cypress part will be. But, Fuad does I guess. And, he also knew that Fermi would be out in November. Then he knew it'd be out on January. He 'knows' a lot.
 
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