amd64 vs p4 (for video games)

[RobsTV]

Originally posted by: Mike01
Okay....


We are not talking about what is a better gaming laptop. Right now, that's obvious. XPS 2 and 9300.

No mike, that is all we are talking about.
Original poster wanted info on laptop gaming.

thinking of a new laptop for gaming and i was wondering which was better?

Then some that have not been paying attention state that A64 blows away everything in laptop gaming, and for some reason, still do not get it. Oh well.

Best place for ALL the TRUE info is notebookforums.com
Please go there to compare any laptop qualities before buying.

 

[Mike01]

Nice way to give up. It's obvious that what we were discussing is a little different than what the topic starter wanted to know. Otherwise, why would you post specs for outdated video cards such as the MR9700 and 9600?

 

[RobsTV]

Originally posted by: Mike01
Nice way to give up. It's obvious that what we were discussing is a little different than what the topic starter wanted to know. Otherwise, why would you post specs for outdated video cards such as the MR9700 and 9600?

perhaps because that is still what is being used with latest A64 3700+ systems?
That is all there is for direct comparisons.
The new Gateway A64 3700+ uses MR9600.
The new Fujitsu A64 3700+ uses MR9700 (but no reviews yet).

Please, show me an A64 notebook using something better, and I'll use those specs.

BTW, while I personally would take a i9300 with 6800 in a heartbeat, many that have both i9300 and i9200 keep the slower i9200 and send back the i9300 for a refund. I guess the MR9700 is not that outdated after all. Sure, it does not score 10,000 in 3dm2003 like the i9300 does, but it still plays all games with ease.

 

[RobsTV]

sorry, double post
(but I'll give you the last word)

 

[Mike01]

A lot of people want powerful laptops with decent graphics cards, but don't care to play the latest FPS on them. I am one of them.

"Gaming laptops" are for people whose only PC is a laptop. Otherwise, why the hell would you spend thousands of bucks on a gaming PC that will be obsolete in a year? The MR9600 was last years champion, now it's relegated to budget gaming status.

An A64 CPU, on the other hand, with its ability to run 64 bit windows and superior speed in just about everything, is a good solid investment that will be serviceable for many years to come.

As for why Dell doesn't put a A64 into an XPS gen 2, I suspect the answer lies more on the corporate side than any deliberate performance decision.

 

[Mike01]

Anyway, you and I were talking about what CPU WOULD make a better gaming laptop. Failing to show benchmarks, you had to fall back to what's out there that IS a better gaming laptop. I've conceded that point from the very begning.

 

[railer]

Ran aquamark on my 9200 and 9300...

9200 w clocked 9700 128, p m 1.6:
gfx: 3516
cpu: 8187
score: 28950
fps: 29

9300 w clocked 6800 256, pm 1.86:
gfx 8241
cpu 9883
score 58163
fps 58


just some more random numbers....

 

[Mike01]

railer,

Did you run 3DMark03 on either of those? Do you remember what the CPU score was?

 

[railer]

646 was my best cpu score for 3dmark 03 on the p m 1.6.
Don't have it installed on the 1.86 p m machine.
Got 3470 for cpu on 3dmark 05 on the 1.86.

 

[RamIt]

Originally posted by: Mike01
railer,

Did you run 3DMark03 on either of those? Do you remember what the CPU score was?

~900 with the 2.0

 

[Mike01]

Interesting. The tests I've run suggest the CPU score is somehow dependent on the video card...don't know how or why, though.

 

[railer]

791 on the 1.86.... (9889 3dmarks)

 

[RobsTV]

3dm2k3 = 735 with i9200 1.8Ghz.

http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k3=3609034

 

[iiibuddhaboy]

Originally posted by: RobsTV

Originally posted by: Mike01
Okay....


We are not talking about what is a better gaming laptop. Right now, that's obvious. XPS 2 and 9300.

No mike, that is all we are talking about.
Original poster wanted info on laptop gaming.

thinking of a new laptop for gaming and i was wondering which was better?

Then some that have not been paying attention state that A64 blows away everything in laptop gaming, and for some reason, still do not get it. Oh well.

Best place for ALL the TRUE info is notebookforums.com
Please go there to compare any laptop qualities before buying.

Umm, im the original OP and i was just wondering on cpus, i knew that the gpu was the most important, but i was just wondering if it would have been better to get a certain cpu over another. of course the 6800 is one of the best, but does it come in a 15 inch? no, thats enough for me not to get a xps2 or a 9300, way too big, way too heavy, i would never move that thing unless i was going home.

 

[railer]

Pretty sure you can get 6600's in a 15" screen...not by Dell tho.
That would be pretty fast, regardless of what cpu it was coupled with.
Incidentally, the 9300's aren't heavy. Don't weigh any more than my old 5150. They do have a big footprint tho....thanks to the 17" screen.

 

[RamIt]

Originally posted by: iiibuddhaboy
does it come in a 15 inch? no, thats enough for me not to get a xps2 or a 9300

Originally posted by: iiibuddhaboy
15 inch or better

Sorry I thought you ment 15" or better ment larger not smaller

 

[RobsTV]

Originally posted by: RamIt

Originally posted by: iiibuddhaboy
does it come in a 15 inch? no, thats enough for me not to get a xps2 or a 9300

Originally posted by: iiibuddhaboy
15 inch or better

Sorry I thought you ment 15" or better ment larger not smaller

I thought the same thing too. Sorry. Finding a laptop with graphics of MR9700 or better in a 15", at around $1500 (and now also very light weight), is not going to be easy, if at all possible.

As to weight of i9300 or XPS2 being too heavy, they are good for some examples of P4 Vs P-M.

Original XPS with P4 and MR9700 weighs in at 12.2 lbs.
New XPS2 with P-M and 6800 weighs in at 8.6 lbs with 9 cell battery.
i9300 is 7.85 lbs with 6 cell battery. (more powerful than original XPS)
i9200 w/MR9700 is 7.7 lbs.

You can see that the new laptops are much lighter weight.
The new XPS2 and i9300 weigh less than many 14" or 15" laptops.
A modern 15" laptop such as i8600, using P-M and MR9600 still weighs 6.9 lbs.

Forget about weight. If you want to game, it will require some weight.
Less weight, and no gaming.
I moved from a 14" Toshiba laptop to the 17" gaming laptop, and the 17" weighs less.
I take it everywhere. Besides gaming, it is awesome for HDTV or WMV-HD on the 17" screen.


Next is screen size and native resolution.
17" too big? Perhaps.
(Here is what I am waiting for! http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/05/11/dell_19in_notebook/)
However, laptops are made to be run best at their native resolutions.
With the 17" WXGA screen I choose for i9200, that is 1440x900.
They did have a higher res option WUXGA with something like 1920x1200 resolution.
Depending on what you do, and how good your eyes are, this is important.
1440x900 is the smallest I can comfortably use with 17" screen.
To run 1440x900 on a 15" screen would be tough for me.
Gaming is an issue as well. 1440x900 is much easier to do than 1920x1200.
That means the lower res screen does not require as powerful video as the higher res screen.

A notebook like the Dell i8600 might suit you needs fine.
The MR9600 Pro is just a tad slower than MR9700, and at lower resolution (better for 15") it should perform well.
No longer produced, but refurbs are available for a little over $900 at Dell outlet.
As seen from the specs of the overclocked unit above, these can be great gaming laptops.
" Pentium-M 1.6GHz w/ 2MB Cache 441MHz FSB - OCed to 1.77GHz
128MB ATI Mobility Radeon 9600 (405/310)
7:29 Hours Batt Life on Single
3DMark01 SE: 13,104
AquaMark3: 33,472 "

Fujitsu A1630 with A64 3700+, 15" screen and MR9700 weighs about 8 lbs, but US price?
Here is a review of the A64 3400+ with MR9700.
(little slower than the $900 overclocked i8600 w/MR9600 above).
http://www.amd64notebooks.com/reviews/fsa1630/index2.php
"A1630 is the fastest notebook I have ever tested" (from AMD64notebooks review).

 

[ActuaryTm]

Originally posted by: RobsTV
Finding a laptop with graphics of MR9700 or better in a 15", at around $1500 (and now also very light weight), is not going to be easy, if at all possible.

While I am certainly not a gamer at all, this wasn't all that difficult to find. As it uses Clevo as the ODM, there will likely be many implementations by many different OEMs/resellers.

More in-depth information here.

 

[RobsTV]

Originally posted by: ActuaryTm

Originally posted by: RobsTV
Finding a laptop with graphics of MR9700 or better in a 15", at around $1500 (and now also very light weight), is not going to be easy, if at all possible.

While I am certainly not a gamer at all, this wasn't all that difficult to find. As it uses Clevo as the ODM, there will likely be many implementations by many different OEMs/resellers.

More in-depth information here.

Looks like a great choice just released.
Probably because of the 12 cell battery, it does weigh a little more than the Dell i9300, which original poster said was "way too heavy".

Or, to kick it up a notch and still under $1500:
http://www.pctorque.com/4880.php

 

[mcflurry4321]

The model numbers for the Dell notebooks are confusing me. On the Dell website they don't have the i in front of the model number like you guys put. Ex. i9300. Are they the same thing?

 

[Conroy9]

i = inspiron