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MrTeal

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I am going to guess that AMD will do their launch/reveal at GDC 2017 (Feb 27-Mar 3).
You think? I could see a Vega launch there (if the timing worked out better), but Ryzen is such a central and critical part of their company that you would think they might want a bigger venue. Either their own dedicated event, or something like CeBit in March.

Edit: It would be cool if they did and the launch was that early though.
 

Thunder 57

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I am going to guess that AMD will do their launch/reveal at GDC 2017 (Feb 27-Mar 3).

I sure hope not. They said several times something like sampling at the end of 2016 and 2017 full year revenue. Now maybe they found a problem with it (SMT?) and are pushing it. That would be better than releasing it like the K10 TLB problem. All I really want to know is when does the NDA expire already???
 

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They did say Q1 2017, so I could see CEBIT or an exclusive event also being possibilities. This was from a PCWorld interview conducted yesterday:

Speaking of which, while AMD wouldn’t commit to a hard launch date for Ryzen, Hallock did give a glimpse at when not to expect Ryzen, which will launch this quarter. “When companies say first quarter or first half, people assume that means the very end of that time frame,” Hallock said. “The very last day of Q1 is not our trajectory.”
 

itsmydamnation

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Timing is everything, and Intel may very well deploy a new pricing strategy along with new products when Zen launches - it could turn into a car crash for Zen.

Intel hold most of the cards.
I think its quite in reverse, for Intel to turn Zen into a car crash is going to require over the next 12 months for Intel to slash their prices in ALL market segments especially servers ( think about what Zens current clocks mean for the 32core parts etc).

As a result of that, they would loose far more money then they would if they did nothing, GF/Samsung have only so much capacity. That would smash their stock price and dividend and probably result in the board getting the boot. Intel have 100k employees, 10 odd fabs, no real product progression since Haswell and apparently nothing new until after cannonlake. Generally the market is pretty flat, intel are nowhere on mobile or IoT and it looks like NV is running away with AI (until google etc start with the dedicated hardware and then we will see). That leaves Intel with only its already dominate markets of laptop, desktop and Server, only one of those has any real growth. There is no war chest to pay for the war you envisage. What happens if intel slash prices to go to war and AMD still take market share? what does that do to FAB utilization and cost per chip etc on top of the revenue loss?

Then you need to consider that Zen is a small die smaller then P10 (<200mm sq), that AMD single die will address from 4 core desktop to 32 core server. The Second chip (APU) will cover laptop, and upto 4 core desktop. That AMD is very lean (probably under weight @ 10K employee's.) and that Sony and Microsoft have probably paid for a lot of AMD development over the 4 completely different SOC's they have produced for them ( PS4, PS4 pro, X1, Scorpio ). Then end result is a lot of development costs have already been paid (fabric's, interconnects, south/north bridges etc, maybe even some of Zen's core itself). The end result of that is AMD if they need to (intel price war) can price very cheap and still make more GP then they have in the last ~7 years while continuing to use semi custom to help fund development.

Personally i think Intel will do almost nothing until they have to, only if /when its obvious that large market share is being taken. The reason i think that is simple, it gives them the most time before shareholders start to worry which gives them the most time to come up with a response, because at the moment a response of a 6 core in the enthusiasts market and avx-512 in server doesn't look very good. Intel would want to hope AMD dont do a BD to PD style 12 month turn around with 5-10% more IPC and 400 more mhz on base clocks (across the board, consumer , server etc).

You only need to look at the people on this forum who loved to take a dump on AMD and their now almost dead silence (go look at what it looked like this time pre bulldozer) to know that AMD have at least a bright short to mid term future.
 
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Doom2pro

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Also linked the PCworld article (thank you Doom2pro).

Yw, I thought it was interesting this bit:

First, and most importantly: When Ryzen launches it won’t be limited to the high-end 8-core, 16-thread model AMD’s been showing in all its demos. AMD product manager Jim Prior tells me that Ryzen will be a complete stack of chips at release, though he declined to go into further details.
 

zinfamous

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I like the potential of a 6 core Ryzen at release. I sure don't need a new computer, but I sure do want one now.

....still, I'll probably wait for a later stepping or whatever and, as always, the early adopters to tank all of the bugs and RMAs, especially with MoBos and early BIOS, that I ain't got no time for.
 

ozzy702

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I think its quite in reverse, for Intel to turn Zen into a car crash is going to require over the next 12 months for Intel to slash their prices in ALL market segments especially servers ( think about what Zens current clocks mean for the 32core parts etc).

As a result of that, they would loose far more money then they would if they did nothing, GF/Samsung have only so much capacity. That would smash their stock price and dividend and probably result in the board getting to boot. Intel have 100k employees, 10 of fabs, no real product progression since Haswell and apparently nothing new until after cannonlake. Generally the market is pretty flat, intel are nowhere on mobile or IoT and it looks like NV is running away with AI (until google etc start with the dedicated hardware and then we will see). That leaves Intel with only its already dominate markets of laptop, desktop and Server, only one of those has any real growth. There is no war chest to pay for the war you envisage. What happens if intel slash prices to go to war and AMD still take market share? what does that do to FAB utilization and cost per chip etc on top of the revenue loss?

Then you need to consider that Zen is a small die smaller then P10 (<200mm sq), that AMD single die will address from 4 core desktop to 32 core server. The Second chip (APU) will cover laptop, and upto 4 core desktop. That AMD is very lean (probably under weight @ 10K employee's.) and that Sony and Microsoft have probably paid for a lot of AMD development over the 4 completely different SOC's they have produced for them ( PS4, PS4 pro, X1, Scorpio ). Then end result is a lot of development costs have already been paid (fabric's, interconnects, south/north bridges etc, maybe even some of Zen's core itself). The end result of that is AMD if they need to (intel price war) can price very cheap and still make more GP then they have in the last ~7 years while continuing to use semi custom to help fund development.

Personally i think Intel will do almost nothing until they have to, only if /when its obvious that large market share is being taken. The reason i think that is simple, it gives them the most time before shareholders start to worry which gives them the most time to come up with a response, because at the moment a response of a 6 core in the enthusiasts market and avx-512 in server doesn't look very good. Intel would want to hope AMD dont do a BD to PD style 12 month turn around with 5-10% more IPC and 400 more mhz on base clocks (across the board, consumer , server etc).

You only need to look at the people on this forum who loved to take a dump on AMD and their now almost dead silence (go look at what it looked like this time pre bulldozer) to know that AMD have at least a bright short to mid term future.

I think you're spot on with this analysis. I don't see Intel doing anything different than if Zen didn't exist.
 
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ozzy702

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I like the potential of a 6 core Ryzen at release. I sure don't need a new computer, but I sure do want one now.

....still, I'll probably wait for a later stepping or whatever and, as always, the early adopters to tank all of the bugs and RMAs, especially with MoBos and early BIOS, that I ain't got no time for.

I'm on a 6700k right now but could see myself switching to AMD this fall or early next year for the same reasons you have listed above. I don't like being an early adopter.

There would have to be an AMD mobo with 10 sata ports though so we'll see if that's going to happen or not. I like the idea of AM4 being upgradable for the next 4+ years like we've seen in the past and am beyond annoyed at Intel with their new socket every two years.
 

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http://www.pcworld.com/article/3155...hitecture-is-expected-to-last-four-years.html

With everything riding on Ryzen’s launch, AMD isn’t taking chances. Jim Anderson, senior vice president and general manager of AMD’s Computing and Graphics business, told PCWorld that Ryzen chips will be available from day one. “We’re not going to do a paper launch,” he said, referring to a “launch” where customers have to wait weeks or months for the products to actually arrive. “We’ve done that before. We’re not going to mess with it.”

While Anderson’s responsible for bringing Ryzen to market—“you don’t have any idea how many hours I and my team have spent on this,” Anderson said—it’s Papermaster who has to think of the future. When asked how long Zen would last, compared to Intel’s two-year tick-tock cadence, Papermaster confirmed the four-year lifespan and tapped the table in front of him: “We’re not going tick-tock,” he said. “Zen is going to be tock, tock, tock.”

http://www.infoworld.com/video/7301...yzen-overclocking-and-core-counts-at-ces-2017

Reddit user summary said:
https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/5mfjun/amd_drops_huge_news_on_ryzen_overclocking_and/

Summary...

  • There will be full range of CPUs available at launch, not just 8 core.

  • All Ryzen chips are overclockable.

  • However, not all mobo's will allow overclocking, only x370, x300, and b350.

  • Only x370 will allow Crossfire and SLI. (Not quite right, see edit below).

  • AMD is aiming for early to mid Q1 for launch. (GDC?)
Edit: Looking at a few of the B350s shown at CES some of them definitely support Crossfire. I going to say PCWorld has this a little wrong. I would say that B350s will support x16 x4 crossfire only x8 x8 Crossfire/SLI will be reserved for x370 similar to how Intel differentiates the Z and B/H chipsets.
 
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MrTeal

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I like the potential of a 6 core Ryzen at release. I sure don't need a new computer, but I sure do want one now.

....still, I'll probably wait for a later stepping or whatever and, as always, the early adopters to tank all of the bugs and RMAs, especially with MoBos and early BIOS, that I ain't got no time for.
I'm with you. Ryzen isn't likely to be a big upgrade over what I have, but building a new one sure does sound like fun.

Maybe the wife's computer would benefit from 0.01s faster facebook loads with a 4.5GHz Ryzen vs a 2500k.
 

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Maybe I will finally upgrade from this overclocked 2500k. Time will tell.


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Thunder 57

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Maybe I will finally upgrade from this overclocked 2500k. Time will tell.

Love your Avatar. "I see nothing, nothing!". I am in a similar situation with an overclocked 3570k. I think AMD can grab people like us with AM4/Zen. I'm not going to pay into Intel's HEDT. Upgrading to the i7 doesn't make sense either. If AMD comes out with a nice AM4 platform, I might bite. If there is a 6C/12T variant, I would absolutely be interested. I may even be interested in a 4C/8T part though. I would get a much newer chipset/mobo, and be in a perfect position to upgrade to an 8C/16T. With Intel, who knows what socket they'll jump to next? I would be willing to spend money on AM4, but not any Intel platform at this point. There may be a lot of people out there with Sandy/Ivy Bridge chips that would like a modern mobo with DDR4 and M.2 SSD's, with some real options for CPU's.
 
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New info reached us that MSI will be manufacturing roughly 20 different models motherboards for AMD Ryzen processors.

The fact that MSI is going all in confirms that they have strong believe in the new AMD processors, and face it from all info that has surfaced, everything certainly is looking good.

This years CES mainly was all about Ryzen news wise. It looks like AMD is on track for a release late next month.

http://www.guru3d.com/news-story/msi-to-manufacture-20-different-model-ryzen-motherboards.html
 
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Sensationalism.

I'll certainly believe that as the reason when Asus/Gigabyte do the same.

They will, or already did the same, because they certainly dont want to lag in what will be a growing and quite profitable offering, i wouldnt be surprised the least if one year from now half of Intel s HEDT marketshare, at least, will be grabbed by AMD...
 

DrMrLordX

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I would strongly prefer an Asus x370 board in the Sabretooth or Crosshair family to anything produced by MSI. Gigabyte has shown off two X370 motherboards already: the Gaming K5 and the Gaming 5. So at least they have shown up to the party.

Asus has the B350M-C and A320M-C. That's about it?
 

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I would strongly prefer an Asus x370 board in the Sabretooth or Crosshair family to anything produced by MSI. Gigabyte has shown off two X370 motherboards already: the Gaming K5 and the Gaming 5. So at least they have shown up to the party.

Asus has the B350M-C and A320M-C. That's about it?

Most reliable manufacturer is Asrock, these are the failure rate for the last six months and the previous six months in the brackets.
 

DrMrLordX

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I am not concerned with failure rates over their entire lineup. I want quality VRM configurations.

On AM3+ and FM2+, Asus had the best VRM setups (Crosshair V Formula Z, Crossblade Ranger). Gigabyte was not far behind, at least on FM2+ anyway (UP4).
 

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I am not concerned with failure rates over their entire lineup. I want quality VRM configurations.

On AM3+ and FM2+, Asus had the best VRM setups (Crosshair V Formula Z, Crossblade Ranger). Gigabyte was not far behind, at least on FM2+ anyway (UP4).

Yeah, I really liked that UP4 board. I hope they have something similar for am4. I never bought the board because I wasn't impressed enough by the APUs.
Now with zen, however, I can barely sit still waiting.
 

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Since quite some boards are cover by some kind of heatsink how will u know how the VRM are quality wise without one board actually in your hands?
 

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Given AMD was still tweaking SKUs I'd say retail availability is the very end of February at the earliest. From the other end AMD high up stated they don't want to just barely make their Q1 target. I'm going to guess it gets released to retail the week before CeBIT so they can capitalize on presumably good reviews and fan enthusiasm by diving into detail post launch and revealing more about Vega.

March 15th, Ides of March, would be a solid date.
 

DrMrLordX

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Since quite some boards are cover by some kind of heatsink how will u know how the VRM are quality wise without one board actually in your hands?

MSI has a reputation, so I can use past performance to guess at future behavior.

Otherwise I'll rely on the manufacturer telling me the truth about the power phases. If they lie it'll come out pretty quickly on the high-end. Plenty of folks tear off those heatsinks for water blocks etc. And a few reviewers will do tear-downs.
 
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http://www.pcworld.com/article/3022...three-pillarsand-the-pc-isnt-one-of-them.html
I think you guys need to realize that AMD and Intel aren't the same companies they used to be. The "war" between them has more or less ended, both companies have achieved peace or "Zen" with one another. Intel is probably not gonna give a redactedabout AMD Zen. Some product lines might directly compete with one another, but this is more limited than it used to be. AMD will offer raw performance and IPC gains where as Intel will offer power savings and innovative form factors plus niche technologies like thunderbolt. Both companies will more or less cater to different market segments. Neither company really wants to directly compete with the other. Both companies are here to stay and neither is going anywhere. Plus Intel will diversify itself as times goes on and AMD will have more companies who want custom SOCs as customers.




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