[AMD] World's First Shipping FreeSync-Enabled Displays (CES)

[5150Joker]

If Intel supports Freesync the "discrete gaming market" will not matter at all. Display makers will build Freesync support into nearly every display purely due to low cost and the overwhelming market share advantage of Freesync capable systems. A 10:1 ratio of Freesync to Gsync displays would be conservative under this scenario. A fraction of the choice in monitors coupled to a hefty price premium will surely reduce the appeal of Nvidia products.

You also have to consider what the display makers want, and I assure you that they do not want to pay Nvidia for Gsync support, nor to have their destiny controlled in part by an outside company. Gsync desperately needs to become cost competitive with Freesync to stay relevant.

Watch out for confirmation bias.

So all you are riding your hopes on at this point is Intel somehow backing Adaptive Sync and the entire market abandoning Geforce video cards and display makers shunning NVIDIA? Yeah seems realistic. :whiste:

You don't understand what IPS glow is. What you experienced was a bad panel with backlight bleed. IPS glow is a uniform appearance of blacks being faintly lit. Bright spots at edges and corners is backlight bleed and is from having a crap panel. IPS glow is generally only going to be noticeable on a completely or near all black screen where you'll see the faint glow coming through uniformly across the panel.

No, it's not BL bleed, I know exactly what that is and what IPS glow looks like. Four Viewsonics I went through had pretty crap IPS glow (glow shifted depending on the angle you looked at it) + dead pixels and dust in the panels, the Dell's had horrible BL bleed (leaked through badly and showed all the time even in color) and all were IPS. In fact, if IPS was such reliable and great technology you wouldn't have tons and tons of threads complaining about all the inherent problems with them. Google any Dell 2713 thread and you'll find people returning an excess of 5+ panels due to shoddy quality. So blaming Asus for the TN ROG isn't a unique case, shoddy QA is endemic to the whole industry.

The swift is far from being monitor utopia. I probably would of kept mine, even though colours were crap compared to my IPS and viewing angles were truly bad causing the image to wash out depending on where you looked on the screen, but it had a handful of dead pixels and backlight bleed so back it went. The whole myth of a 'quality' TN panel is just that. TNs are junk and only good for response times now that these new panels are coming out. They're down to one metric where they have an advantage and otherwise IPS/AHVA etc crush them.

That's just your opinion but isn't shared by hard numbers or even other ROG Swift owners. You had a defective display and we spoke about that in the G-Sync thread I made and you warned me not to get one. I went for it anyway and got a perfect one, that's how the panel lottery goes. The Dell U3011 you have is a wide gamut panel just like my LG, of course it's going to have better colors than an 8 bit TN.

These new upcoming 1440p 144hz IPS panels with adaptive and gsync are the holy grail of monitors until we get 4K @ 120hz. The swift is an excessively hyped and grossly over-rated panel. It's a low budget TN and exhibits all the negatives that every other TN does in use. It was good for a short while there with the 1440p, 144hz and gsync - but once these 1440p 144hz IPS screens start launching with gsync and adaptive sync - they've even announced ULMB on one of the models using the IPS panel - the swift will be back to being just another low budget TN.

Holy grail with 5 ms g2g? You've got low standards for a holy grail. I wouldn't get so hyped up about that Acer AHVA panel until you see one in person and credible reviewers have compared it against panels like the ROG Swift. For comparison's sake, Prad.de reviewed the LG panel I have and wrote this:

The latency is an important value for players, we determined as the sum of the signal delay time and half the average picture change time. The signal delay is extremely short in 27EA83-D with only 1.4 milliseconds. Half the middle picture change time is 4.3 ms (fast) is also very short. With only 5.7 milliseconds, the mean total latency is also attractive for high-speed gamers.

The reality is the response time in person for me was very noticeable and negatively affected my K/D in games likes BF4, especially compared to the ROG. So a 4-5 ms AHVA panel wouldn't fare much better I'd imagine and I'm really curious to see how much overshoot these new AHVA panels will have. For people that don't care about twitch shooters or fighting games that depend on fast reaction times, then these IPS + GSync panels may really hit the spot and I'm glad to see them on the market. For gamers that want the fastest, the Swift is still the best until they somehow develop an IPS panel that can match it in response time.

For reference, here's what TFT Central measured for those that are curious:

And of course one of the most important things, input lag:

 

[RampantAndroid]

ROG swift is 8 bit, not 6 bit. The "better color" argument doesn't apply to all IPS panels by default, only the top ones which are a small subset and also pricey. And if you think 10 ms input lag makes no difference, you're no gamer and should stick to consoles and TV's with input lag laden scalers.

Huh, seems like the first 8bit TN panel I've seen. (Edit: online searching says it's the first. My point about TN still stands, as a whole - and will remain standing until 8-bit TN film panels are commonplace.)

As for input lag, 10ms is less than 1 frame a second at 60fps (which is higher than the eye can really see.) If we were talking 30ms difference, fine. But we're not.

 

[bystander36]

Huh, seems like the first 8bit TN panel I've seen.

As for input lag, 10ms is less than 1 frame a second at 60fps (which is higher than the eye can really see.) If we were talking 30ms difference, fine. But we're not.

Latency is not about what you can see. At least for myself. It is about what I feel. I don't know the exact latency point that causes me problem, but I do know that going from 60 FPS to 80+ FPS while playing a mouse driven 1st person view game, takes me from getting nausea after 30mins of play, to not having it.

I know that the Oculus Rift guys have learned that having more than ~8ms of latency is the difference between most people getting motion sickness and not.

It does matter, even if you cannot react to it. Your mind can notice it at some level.

 

[Spanners]

I specifically said TN is superior for gaming and that is more than just twitch shooters. It also encompasses fighting games (e.g. street fighter) and can benefit racing games greatly with it's reduced blur and input lag. Platform games will also benefit from less input lag that TN offers. So really, IPS is more suited for people that do non-gaming work on their displays. In that regard, a G-Sync + IPS is the market for them and I recognize that.

However, that does NOT mean IPS is in any way shape or form superior to TN, it's just an alternative technology with some pros and and many cons.

No you didn't you said "IPS is inferior to TN, especially if you are a gamer" not the same thing at all. Even if that's what you said you seemed to have missed the point of my post which was "...for me IPS is a better gaming experience than TN."

 

[3DVagabond]

I'll leave everyone a quote from NVIDIA's Tom Petersen: There is no truth [to that rumor of NVIDIA Adaptive Sync support] and we have made no official comments about Adaptive Sync. One thing I can say is that NVIDIA as a company is 100% dedicated to G-Sync. We are going to continue to invest in G-Sync and it is a way we can make the gaming experience better. We have no need for Adaptive Sync. We have no intention of [implementing it]."

Would you expect them to say they plan on supporting it while they don't have hardware that does and they are trying to sell you G-sync? Who's being naive?

 

[bystander36]

We simply don't know what will happen. We haven't seen them go head to head on sales yet. All we know right now is that either scenario is possible.

 

[stahlhart]

15 pages of this broken record is enough. Thread closed.
-- stahlhart