AMD? What's the point?

[b4u]

Hi,

I'm thinking of buying a new system in the near future. First thing, Intel vs AMD ... looking at the motherboards, I do like that ASUS A7N8X Deluxe, but the processors ... well it's a diferent story ...

Looking at an AMD 2400+, it should have same speed as P4 2.4 ... but the price, it's almost the same!!!

Am I wrong, or shouldn't AMD have lower prices on equivalent processors to Intel? I have Intel processors since the 486DX2-66, before that I had 1 or 2 AMD's, but now, looking for a less $$$ PC, I was looking forward to AMD ... Mobo's are more attractive, less $$$, but processors looks like a different story.

Yep, What's-up, Doc????


Thanks.

 

[pillage2001]

What's up doc.

 

[WA261]

ummm....so spend $50 on an xp1700..clock it to 2.3...you will stomp that 2.4 Intel

 

[Megatomic]

Why should AMD price their equally high performing chips lower than Intel? Have you ever studied economics?

 

[YoungChowFun]

I say you look at the 2100 tbred Bs instead.

 

[RobCur]

AMD processor are really picky on type of ram, soundcard, and video card you use. It seem to lock up alot on low quality stuff. I tinker around with amd processor most of the time, this is how I know. Generic Dimm Pc133 did not work with Duron 800 or faster processor at all, constant crashes. I did not have any problem with Generic DDR 2100 with Duron 1300mhz at 133FSB however, and the performance was very good at 1475/1455 sandra memory benchmark. So I say go DDR, with generic/standard grade dimm you would have to go Celeron Tuatulin 1.1ghz-1.4ghz since it isn't very picky on ram quality. Thank god, i have 3 computer build using these mobo and cpu so I don't have to buy higher quality dimm and the speed isn't so bad! only 10 percent slower at equal mhz.

 

[ChampionAtTufshop]

i say go for xp2100+ (not retail if you wanna oc tho) and the board is aight (i have it too, well the nondeluxe version anyways)

 

[AndyHui]

AMD processor are really picky on type of ram, soundcard, and video card you use

These are motherboard or chipset issues. The procesor does not care, or know, what type of RAM, soundcard or video card you are using.

 

[pillage2001]

Originally posted by: RobCur
AMD processor are really picky on type of ram, soundcard, and video card you use. It seem to lock up alot on low quality stuff. I tinker around with amd processor most of the time, this is how I know. Generic Dimm Pc133 did not work with Duron 800 or faster processor at all, constant crashes. I did not have any problem with Generic DDR 2100 with Duron 1300mhz at 133FSB however, and the performance was very good at 1475/1455 sandra memory benchmark. So I say go DDR, with generic/standard grade dimm you would have to go Celeron Tuatulin 1.1ghz-1.4ghz since it isn't very picky on ram quality. Thank god, i have 3 computer build using these mobo and cpu so I don't have to buy higher quality dimm and the speed isn't so bad! only 10 percent slower at equal mhz.

What has the CPU to do with the type of RAM anyone uses??? Please enlighten me. As fast as this goes, most of the time, it's the chipset that gave problems.

 

[ChampionAtTufshop]

Originally posted by: pillage2001

Originally posted by: RobCur
AMD processor are really picky on type of ram, soundcard, and video card you use. It seem to lock up alot on low quality stuff. I tinker around with amd processor most of the time, this is how I know. Generic Dimm Pc133 did not work with Duron 800 or faster processor at all, constant crashes. I did not have any problem with Generic DDR 2100 with Duron 1300mhz at 133FSB however, and the performance was very good at 1475/1455 sandra memory benchmark. So I say go DDR, with generic/standard grade dimm you would have to go Celeron Tuatulin 1.1ghz-1.4ghz since it isn't very picky on ram quality. Thank god, i have 3 computer build using these mobo and cpu so I don't have to buy higher quality dimm and the speed isn't so bad! only 10 percent slower at equal mhz.

What has the CPU to do with the type of RAM anyone uses??? Please enlighten me. As fast as this goes, most of the time, it's the chipset that gave problems.

exactly
if its sh*t ram, it will lockup on any platform (granted it still uses the same type of ram)

the cpu has nothin to do with it, its most likely the chipset
there was an intelchipset that would not work with either low density ram or high density ram (cant remember which) and caused some grief

OT: LoL i just found out there are "forbidden words" hahah

 

[DivideBYZero]

Originally posted by: RobCur
AMD processor are really picky on type of ram, soundcard, and video card you use. It seem to lock up alot on low quality stuff. I tinker around with amd processor most of the time, this is how I know. Generic Dimm Pc133 did not work with Duron 800 or faster processor at all, constant crashes. I did not have any problem with Generic DDR 2100 with Duron 1300mhz at 133FSB however, and the performance was very good at 1475/1455 sandra memory benchmark. So I say go DDR, with generic/standard grade dimm you would have to go Celeron Tuatulin 1.1ghz-1.4ghz since it isn't very picky on ram quality. Thank god, i have 3 computer build using these mobo and cpu so I don't have to buy higher quality dimm and the speed isn't so bad! only 10 percent slower at equal mhz.

Typical Intel bias FUD.

 

[b4u]

So, the point is:

[1] AMD and Intel "are the same", sort of speach (is that how you say it?), and so to buy a new system, we must check for the other stuff.

[2] That said, we must choose a Mobo with lots and lots and lots of great great features, like an ASUS A7N8X Deluxe, and then we stuff the CPU in it.

[3] Now I would save about ?100 (about $100 ) on the Mobo, and this is where today's benefict goes from choosing an AMD ($$$ speaking, of course). Am I right, or am I right?

[4] Now ... if I equip an ASUS A7N8X Deluxe with some 400Mhz PC3200 1Gb (2x512Mb sticks) I would have a great configuration for the future, right?


Well, I gess the increase in $$$ of the AMD processors is ok, I'm no economist, although I've studied the matter at university, but I just wasn't expecting to find equal prices, it was a surprise to me after so many years of getting my ears filled with "AMD is cheaper" statements.

Well, at least for now the socket A mobo's are less expensive then the socket 478 ones ... hurray!

Anyway, I do think this great performance of AMD comes with the excellent work with specifying decent chipsets for their CPU's. I will never forget the mess I went through with Intel's 820 chipset! What a crap!

Thanks

 

[rogue1979]

The point of AMD is to buy a 1700+ t-bred "B" for less then $60 shipped and get 2000-2200MHz.

Or the 2100+ t-bred "B" for $90 and get 2200-2500MHz.

You cannot get this kind of performance for that price from any P4 cpu, overclocked or not. If you want the fastest desktop cpu available, then buy the 3.06GHz and overclock it. Too bad it will cost more for that cpu then to put together a complete 1700+ system!

 

[Shimmishim]

if you've been checking threads by PJ and thugsrook and maxse and others, you will see that INTEL chips are overclocking VERY VERY WELLL!!!

2.4Bs are getting in the range of 3.2 to 3.4 ghz

i say intel = rich man's cpu
amd = poor man's cpu



i know this isnt ALWAYS true.. but... if i had the money, i'd get a p4g8x with a 2.4B and some twinmos/winbond pc3200



it's a personal preference in the end....

i think thugs is a hardcore INTEL fan and isn't going to be switching anytime soon..

and then you have others that are hardcore AMD fans that won't switch as well...

i like AMD just because their processors are cheaper and i can upgrade easily

 

[deerslayer]

AMD is affordable and has a good price/performance ratio. If I could afford Intel, i'd give it a try, but for now i'll stick with AMD It's all preference, budget, and beliefs

 

[specktre]

if i had $5000 to build a dream machine i wouldn't spend a dime of it on an intel CPU. to me the whole Intel vs. AMD thing isn't about price. It's the fact that Intel threatens OEM's if they use AMD cpu's. Intel is like the "mafia" of the cpu world. also intel fanboys are just ignorant. they use excuses like AMD systems (in general) are unstable, which we all know is B.S. it is the components you put in your system that make it stable, or unstable. if you buy crappy memory, video card, sound card, motherboard, or Pwr sup. then your system will be crap.

if i did have $5000 i'd probly get a 3000+ barton, some 400mhz. corsair(with the lowest timings), an ati 9700 pro, an hercules sound card, a good case w/an antec 400-500 watt psu. probly 2 200gb hdd. and a bad ass water cooling kit.

sorry for the long post. just my 2 cents.

intel fanboyz, eat a dick.

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[GnatGoSplat]

My T-bred B XP1700+'s were $46 shipped back when I bought them.
At the same time, Celeron 1.7GHz was $59 shipped.
I bought both to try.
The XP1700+ runs circles around the Celeron, night and day difference.
The XP1700+ can also oc easily to XP2000+.
I could not overclock the Celeron.

For the low-end, AMD is the clear winner for price vs. performance.
I think AMD is untouchable in the <$100 CPU market.

I have no idea what's going on in the $100+ CPU market, but there's definitely a place for AMD.

 

[FearoftheNight]

overall amd platform is still cheaper.

 

[wicktron]

Just look at the benchmarks and pick the platform which best suits the software that YOU use.

 

[Soulkeeper]

this thread blows !!

 

[touchmyichi]

With Amd, the less you spend the more you get.

 

[OverVolt]

This is the most retarded threat in AT history (i'm sure it's not ) But close!