AMD vs. Nvidia - Prefs & Why

[Gordon Freemen]

What are you talking about? I have no clue where you're getting your numbers or the context you want to use them in.

But buying AMD cards and using them to game and bitcoin when you're not gaming isn't a joke. I make over a $100 a month on Bitcoins. It's not enough to live off but it does feed my tech and gaming habits.

Like I said at best Bitcoin mining is a good way to offset or mitigate the cost of that new Radeon card and you just confirmed it so how are you not understanding the facts when you are proof in the putting of what I stated LOL. Plus if you live at home and or don't pay for the electricity to run your part time Bitcoin mining rig then you are laughing like me LOL.

 

[blackened23]

So did this turn into another argument? Unexpected!

Anyway, I will say that nvidia zealots have been extremely aggravating even in the early days back when the voodoo 1 was king, but oh my god
the Riva 128 is so awesome and blows the V1 away! Its only 1 chip compared to 2 on the voodoo! Its faster in 2 games so the horrible dithering/filtering doesn't matter!
Nvidiots have always been annoying and still are. I almost feel obligated to argue with them sometimes because of idiocy years ago.

But dang they make some pretty nice hardware now and then. In fact, they've been in the lead over ATI the past couple of years....nvidia does their homework
and learns from previous product problems. So as much as some of their fanbase is slightly annoying sometimes, I gotta give nvidia props.
Anyway, just gotta tune their more ridiculous fans out and all is well.

 

[Don Karnage]

The 6970 is obviously the better card to compare it to.

6970 is more comparable to the 580. 6950 to the 570

 

[Dark Shroud]

Like I said at best Bitcoin mining is a good way to offset or mitigate the cost of that new Radeon card and you just confirmed it so how are you not understanding the facts when you are proof in the putting of what I stated LOL. Plus if you live at home and or don't pay for the electricity to run your part time Bitcoin mining rig then you are laughing like me LOL.

Your numbers were not right and you changed the discussion because no one was claiming to live off Bitcoins.

My electricity only costs me an extra $20-$30 a month since I have a fixed rate.

 

[Gordon Freemen]

Cool so this thread is headed toward full retard mode just like every other nvidia vs aTi thread.

Anyway, I will say that nvidia zealots have been extremely aggravating even in the early days back when the voodoo 1 was king, but oh my god
the Riva 128 is so awesome and blows the V1 away! Nvidiots have always been annoying and still are. I almost feel obligated to argue with them
sometimes because of idiocy years ago.

But dang they make some pretty nice hardware now and then. Just gotta tune their fans out and all is well.

Now messages to follow:

o m g what about ati fanATIcs, ati drivers will cause the 2nd holocaust, the gtx 480 is used for unmanned drone explosions, blah blah blah ad infanitum

When some people say that Nvidia Drivers are better what they are sometimes trying to say is that nvidia has better developer relations with there "TWIMTBP" titles plus nvidia has way more powerful marketing hence in turn more fan boys. Radeon and nvidia both have there gems and duds they are = products.

 

[SithSolo1]

No preference. I've had Nvidia, I've had ATi. I haven't had an AMD since the takeover. I just get the best for the money whenever I build a new system, every 2-4 years.

 

[Arzachel]

I prefer nVidia based on their pro-active nature which encompasses facets like developer relations, differentiation and IQ enhancing tools and features that improve flexibility, immersion and the gaming experience.

One of the aspects I really liked is improving on the long and winding road on aggressive and questionable optimizations of the past.

Nvidia has a history of actually removing features/de-optimizing games not only for AMD but also for their own customers, which is why I have a pretty large dislike for them. I still suggest their cards to people when they're superior (GTX670) but I probably won't give them any money unless the performance difference gets 8800 huge.

 

[Gordon Freemen]

Your numbers were not right and you changed the discussion because no one was claiming to live off Bitcoins.

My electricity only costs me an extra $20-$30 a month since I have a fixed rate.

I changed nothing of the conversation and you confirmed exactly what I claimed. You might have a higher mh/s "mega hash per second" then most people if you are making $100 a month or Bitcoins went up in value but the Bitcoin market is so volatile is could be not worth the cost of electricity to run the mining rig tomorrow LOL.

 

[Gordon Freemen]

Nvidia has a history of actually removing features/de-optimizing games not only for AMD but also for their own customers, which is why I have a pretty large dislike for them. I still suggest their cards to people when they're superior (GTX670) but I probably won't give them any money unless the performance difference gets 8800 huge.

To tell you the truth in my experience AMD cards have better IQ and AA over nvidia.

 

[chimaxi83]

Gotta love Gordon using his second hand "knowledge" to thread crap. Good job, bro :thumbsup:


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[Dkcode]

I have 2 monitors both requiring dual link DVI. So it rules out ATI cards for me, shame as I would like to try one of their cards some day. Not had a decent ATI card since the X1800XT.

Since the 8 series GeForce I have stuck with nVidia and I like their cards and drivers.

 

[Gordon Freemen]

Gotta love Gordon using his second hand "knowledge" to thread crap. Good job, bro :thumbsup:

I have owned both Radeon and nvidias I will post an IQ showdown & review in the future between the two.

 

[ensign_lee]

I changed nothing of the conversation and you confirmed exactly what I claimed. You might have a higher mh/s "mega hash per second" then most people if you are making $100 a month or Bitcoins went up in value but the Bitcoin market is so volatile is could be not worth the cost of electricity to run the mining rig tomorrow LOL.

So basically, you're saying that you'd rather pay $x of dollars for an Nvidia card that returns you $0/month during its idle time instead of paying $x of dollars for an ATI/AMD card that returns you $>0/month. Is that right?

For instance, a 7970 will get about $50-$60 a month. Is that what you're saying?

Or are you just trying to bait defensive / argumentative responses from bitcoin miners?

It certainly does not take anywhere near "$10k on the low end" to make some money on bitcoin mining. And even *if* it did, that's still better than making $0 on NVIDIA cards.

Most GPUs spend a majority of their time idling, not playing games. May as well put that time to good use.

 

[Kippa]

I have always had Nvidia until the 5870 came out. After that I got the 7970 for two reasons, first of all as a gaming card it is pretty good, but also because it is is a very good opencl card, unlike Nvidia which has crippled the 680 opencl wise. As for pro applications I use photoshop, premiere and lightwave. Lightwave will probably support opencl gpu processing in the long term so getting the 7970 is the best so far as long term investment is concerned. If I were "just" a gaming person I would have gone for a 680 instead.

 

[Gordon Freemen]

So basically, you're saying that you'd rather pay $x of dollars for an Nvidia card that returns you $0/month during its idle time instead of paying $x of dollars for an ATI/AMD card

Nope I rather not Bitcoin at all unless I did it up right and setup a proper Operation or "Farm" that actually turns a real tangible profit not chicken feed. I would hate to have my one and only gaming rig card burn out from continual 100% max load operation for hundreds and hundreds of hrs on end for a messily $100 or less a month but for some it is worth it just not for me. PS I am not hating on Bitcoins I love the premise that it is under for it is a great and solid logic to have a parallel currency that is incorruptible and not FIAT and controlled by government and in turn corrupted Corporation.

 

[cmdrdredd]

Meh...i have owned both at various points in time. The only thing i like about nvidia a bit more is that when a new game comes out they usually have a working sli profile and performance driver out before amd can do thensame for their cards. Really there is not much difference beyond that. Performance can be similar between brands depending on the cards compared.

I dont care about bitcoin or running folding all day. These cards run my games and maybe output some videos. Thats all

 

[Gordon Freemen]

I dont care about bitcoin or running folding all day. These cards run my games and maybe output some videos. Thats all

Amen Brotha and as an aside I don't see to many people getting rich off Bitcoin mining so I am not quitting my day job just yet LOL.

 

[YBS1]

In an ideal situation I'd prefer to support AMD with my money as I don't agree with some of nVidia's practices. In reality however, I made the switch to nVidia after months of one issue after another with AMD's drivers mostly involving crossfire problems. The problem is once you lose a customer for reasons such as this, it's hard to get them back. This is the same reason I build myself intel systems instead of AMD. Now to get my dollars back (barring major issues with nVidia) not only would AMD have to be less expensive, but they have to have clearly better performance. They can't win me back based only on price or performance parity, they will have to be clearly superior.

 

[chimaxi83]

I have owned both Radeon and nvidias I will post an IQ showdown & review in the future between the two.

.......which has nothing to do with you derailing and going off about Bitcoin mining

 

[Atreidin]

I'm going to probably stay away from Nvidia for a while, due to bumpgate. Their sheer incompetence and deception pissed me off and left me with 2 dead laptops.

It is slightly annoying that they do things like buy Physx then lock it up, ensuring that most game companies do nothing with it, thus making it essentially worthless to everyone.

I'm not an AMD fanboy but when there are only two choices and one of them kind of pissed you off, you only have one left. The Nvidia CEO also has no problems with blatant lies and deception (woodscrews anyone?).

AMD isn't perfect but again I'm not rewarding Nvidia for acting like they do, so I don't have any other choice. There isn't a significant difference between their offerings so it isn't like I'm sacrificing anything by avoiding Nvidia until I think they have straightened out.

 

[Gordon Freemen]

.......which has nothing to do with you derailing and going off about Bitcoin mining

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[SirPauly]

Nvidia has a history of actually removing features/de-optimizing games not only for AMD but also for their own customers, which is why I have a pretty large dislike for them. I still suggest their cards to people when they're superior (GTX670) but I probably won't give them any money unless the performance difference gets 8800 huge.

Actually a family like the GTX 2XX series garnered multi-monitor support, GPU Physic support, 3d vision support, garnered improvements with super-sampled support, ambient occlusion enhancements, adaptive V-sync, frame limiters and not placed on legacy support. Examples of being pro-active, adding tools, features and enhancements to improve upon immersion, flexibility and the gaming experience for their customers in the life of the product. This is why I give them money. Far cry of removing features, one may imagine.

 

[Gordon Freemen]

Actually a family like the GTX 2XX series garnered multi-monitor support, GPU Physic support, 3d vision support, garnered improvements with super-sampled support, ambient occlusion enhancements, adaptive V-sync, frame limiters and not placed on legacy support. Examples of being pro-active, adding tools, features and enhancements to improve upon immersion, flexibility and the gaming experience for their customers in the life of the product. This is why I give them money. Far cry of removing features, one may imagine.

Actually my GTX 275 was one of the worst cards I have ever owned as far as IQ and AA effectiveness plus Physx is busted and more so the GTX 275 did not have the gumption to maintain frame rates when the Physx were enabled ditto for 3D vision, supersample, ambient occlusion, and adaptive Vsync is busted and 2xx series did not even bring it to market and at any rate all of which these features are largely busted anyways.

 

[SirPauly]

Also I don't care how good it looks if it drops my frame rate to below 60fps it was not worth the image quality.

Not surprising your views really based on this. When it comes to gaming experiences or image quality, I know which poster not to ask about immersion.

 

[Gordon Freemen]

Not surprising your views really based on this. When it comes to gaming experiences or image quality, I know which poster not to ask about immersion.

What does playing games @ 60fps have to do with your making somewhat false and defiantly misleading and on the borderline of false claims as far as Nvidia goes.