AMD vs Intel Performance With OpenCL Realtime Face Animation

[krumme]

Exactly. Just like half the benches out there are Intel optimized, or even have code supplied by Intel. I keep saying, AMD has to make their mark by ramping up the software side of things. The best hardware in the world does no good if the software is not there to take advantage.

Amd dont have the funds for it. Period.
So it will not happen unless someone else does it for them.
Sony and MS have the incentives on the gaming side because of consoles.
And Amd need to get into similar position on the general application side.
Pr projects like this dont make a difference.
It needs to be solved on the business level.

 

[fusion238]

A8-4500M is a slow APU, in basically all OpenCL applications way slower than IVB or HSW. There is something going on in this bench. But this is expected from a marketing slide.

Benchmarks performed by independent parties reaffirm that 32nm based $150 AMD APUs can outperform even the 22nm $300 Haswell i7-4770 in this area of computing.

Brightsidesofnews reported that government agencies using benchmarks like PCMark 8 that will give more weight to OpenCL performance will shift purchasing decisions worth billions of dollars toward AMD.

These benchmarks presage a seismic shift and the upcoming Kaveri APUs with advanced GCN compute engines will elevate AMD over Intel in the near future.

 

[rootheday3]

Benchmarks performed by independent parties reaffirm that 32nm based $150 AMD APUs can outperform even the 22nm $300 Haswell i7-4770 in this area of computing.

You know that the same HD4600 graphics that is available in all the Core i5 and i7 skus and in the majority of the Core i3 skus? You don't have to buy the $300 sku from Intel if all you care about is integrated graphics performance.

You know that HD4600 isn't Intel's fastest graphics -right? the Iris Pro (a mobile 47w part) absolutely stomps the fastest Richland A10-6800K 100W desktop part and even beats the Richland in dual graphics mode with a 6670). An even faster version is coming to desktop in the Core i7-4770R (65W).

Sure, the Iris Pro is only found in expensive skus, but the same GT3 graphics (minus eDRAM) will be in much cheaper skus too- for example the mobile dual core 28W skus with Iris 5100 (Core i3-4158U, Core i5-4258U, Core i5-4288U, Core i7-4558U).

If anyone should be worried, its AMD. Their only advantage was integrated graphics performance.

The world is going mobile. AMD mobile skus always run at much lower clocks than the desktop skus; not so much with Intel. In standard voltage (25-25w) mobile skus, I bet the Intel HD 4600 (GT2) will beat the top AMD mobile APU. And I don't think it gets any better for AMD as you go down to 15W and below.

 

[monstercameron]

You know that the same HD4600 graphics that is available in all the Core i5 and i7 skus and in the majority of the Core i3 skus? You don't have to buy the $300 sku from Intel if all you care about is integrated graphics performance.

You know that HD4600 isn't Intel's fastest graphics -right? the Iris Pro (a mobile 47w part) absolutely stomps the fastest Richland A10-6800K 100W desktop part and even beats the Richland in dual graphics mode with a 6670). An even faster version is coming to desktop in the Core i7-4770R (65W).

Sure, the Iris Pro is only found in expensive skus, but the same GT3 graphics (minus eDRAM) will be in much cheaper skus too- for example the mobile dual core 28W skus with Iris 5100 (Core i3-4158U, Core i5-4258U, Core i5-4288U, Core i7-4558U).

If anyone should be worried, its AMD. Their only advantage was integrated graphics performance.

The world is going mobile. AMD mobile skus always run at much lower clocks than the desktop skus; not so much with Intel. In standard voltage (25-25w) mobile skus, I bet the Intel HD 4600 (GT2) will beat the top AMD mobile APU. And I don't think it gets any better for AMD as you go down to 15W and below.

a]. doesnt "absolutely stomp" the much cheaper richland part.
b]. gt3 in cheaper skus? ok, beating richland?
c]. amd doesnt have to worry about graphics, much more things out there
d]. intel mobile and desktop skus operate at different freqs
e]. bet? finds some evidence or explain why you think so plz.
f]. sub 15W amd is there best range, kabini is fine.

 

[Enigmoid]

a]. doesnt "absolutely stomp" the much cheaper richland part.
b]. gt3 in cheaper skus? ok, beating richland?
c]. amd doesnt have to worry about graphics, much more things out there
d]. intel mobile and desktop skus operate at different freqs
e]. bet? finds some evidence or explain why you think so plz.
f]. sub 15W amd is there best range, kabini is fine.

a) Stomps it yeah when you consider CPU + igp performance.
b) probably not. I doubt that intel will release gt3 cheaply (but on the other hand a gt3 non -e haswell i3 released during the 'haswell refresh' could make things interesting).
c) Yeah they do. CPU frankly sucks and their GPU is what is keeping them hanging in there
d) yes but intel generally has a small difference in igp frequency between desktop and SV parts
e-f) kabini gets stomped by a 15 watt haswell.

 

[AtenRa]

You know that the same HD4600 graphics that is available in all the Core i5 and i7 skus and in the majority of the Core i3 skus? You don't have to buy the $300 sku from Intel if all you care about is integrated graphics performance.

HD4600 performance is not the same in Core i3, Core i5 and Core i7. And once again Intel use the same name, misleading as it was with HD3000 and HD4000. Number of CUs may be the same but, core frequency and Cache (L3) is not the same in all three CPUs.

You know that HD4600 isn't Intel's fastest graphics -right? the Iris Pro (a mobile 47w part) absolutely stomps the fastest Richland A10-6800K 100W desktop part and even beats the Richland in dual graphics mode with a 6670). An even faster version is coming to desktop in the Core i7-4770R (65W).

Yeap, but at what cost ?? GTX780M is way faster than Iris Pro but again different price points.

Sure, the Iris Pro is only found in expensive skus, but the same GT3 graphics (minus eDRAM) will be in much cheaper skus too- for example the mobile dual core 28W skus with Iris 5100 (Core i3-4158U, Core i5-4258U, Core i5-4288U, Core i7-4558U).

Whats the price off those HD5000 parts again ???

If anyone should be worried, its AMD. Their only advantage was integrated graphics performance.

In desktop that we know the actual prices, Intel after Three generations and a Node advantage is still behind in iGPU performance per price. Haswell i3 GT2 is slower and more expensive than Ritchland. I dont see why AMD should be worried. It is Intel that has to catch up not AMD.

The world is going mobile. AMD mobile skus always run at much lower clocks than the desktop skus; not so much with Intel. In standard voltage (25-25w) mobile skus, I bet the Intel HD 4600 (GT2) will beat the top AMD mobile APU. And I don't think it gets any better for AMD as you go down to 15W and below.

There are no Intel Mobile CPUs with HD4600 at 25W. Every HD4600 comes at 37W or above. At the same TDP, Ritchland A10-5770M is faster.

 

[Enigmoid]

HD4600 performance is not the same in Core i3, Core i5 and Core i7. And once again Intel use the same name, misleading as it was with HD3000 and HD4000. Number of CUs may be the same but, core frequency and Cache (L3) is not the same in all three CPUs.

Its generally very similar. L3 makes a minor difference. Fastest haswell igp for the desktop runs at 1250 mhz, most others run at 1100-1150. You are looking at most a 20% difference between fastest and slowest. You get a similar difference in mobile gpus where clock speeds (and boost) can be quite different with variations between ddr3 and GDDR5.

In desktop that we know the actual prices, Intel after Three generations and a Node advantage is still behind in iGPU performance per price. Haswell i3 GT2 is slower and more expensive than Richland. I dont see why AMD should be worried. It is Intel that has to catch up not AMD.

There are no Intel Mobile CPUs with HD4600 at 25W. Every HD4600 comes at 37W or above. At the same TDP, Ritchland A10-5770M is faster.

No, at that tdp level the 28 watt CPUs intel offers have HD 5100. Which yes will be faster. No ~25 watt CPU intel offers has HD 4600.

And on mobile the HD4600 is basically equal to the a10-4600m. a10-5750m maintains a slim lead over the HD 4600.

 

[FalseChristian]

The question is: How important is OpenCL? If it's important than Intel better start sweating. If not, then who cares?

 

[AtenRa]

Its generally very similar. L3 makes a minor difference. Fastest haswell igp for the desktop runs at 1250 mhz, most others run at 1100-1150. You are looking at most a 20% difference between fastest and slowest. You get a similar difference in mobile gpus where clock speeds (and boost) can be quite different with variations between ddr3 and GDDR5.

20% is a lot of performance difference.

No, at that tdp level the 28 watt CPUs intel offers have HD 5100. Which yes will be faster. No ~25 watt CPU intel offers has HD 4600.

And on mobile the HD4600 is basically equal to the a10-4600m. a10-5750m maintains a slim lead over the HD 4600.

I very much doubt that Intel Core i5 4250U (HD5000) 15W TDP will be faster than AMD A8-5545M (384 cores) 19W TDP. Yes i know they are not the same TDP but you also will have to take cost in to consideration, Battery capacity etc.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/6993/intel-iris-pro-5200-graphics-review-core-i74950hq-tested
Also, if A10-4600M Trinity at 35W is within a few frames distance against a desktop HD4600 at 87W on the Core i7 4770K in the majority of the games, then Intel HD5100 at 28W will be slower than Ritchland LV A10-5745M at 35W which is faster than A10-4600M.

Just because Intel has the Iris Pro (HD5200) doesnt mean it is faster than Ritchland APUs in iGPU department at comparable TDP, Power consumption and cost.

I will really like to see a review of Laptops with AMD A8-5545M (19W) vs Intel HD5000 (15W) or A10-5745M vs HD5100 (28W) and HD4600 (37W).

 

[boxleitnerb]

Comparing a desktop with a mobile solution is silly. Keep on cherrypicking...

 

[AtenRa]

Comparing a desktop with a mobile solution is silly. Keep on cherrypicking...

Do you actually believe that a Mobile 37W Intel HD4600 will be faster than A10-4600M when the Desktop 84W HD4600 is only a few fps faster ???


Edit: just a few examples. And just to remind you all, Desktop Haswell HD4600 runs on 2400MHz Memory in the Review. In Laptops it will be at 1600MHz maximum and lots of the time single slot.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/6993/intel-iris-pro-5200-graphics-review-core-i74950hq-tested

 

[boxleitnerb]

Yes, because in the mobile segment Intel can fully capitalize on their process advantage. If they can be almost twice as fast with 47W vs 35W, they most certainly can at least match the A10-4600M at the same wattage - and more likely surpass it by a healthy margin. Think of the HD5100, there are APUs that have it and have a TDP of only 28W.
Already with Ivy Bridge Intel reached or even surpassed AMDs Trinity at the same wattage. Why should this be any different with Haswell?

Mobile is AMDs weak spot, this is obviously news to you.

 

[mikk]

Benchmarks performed by independent parties reaffirm that 32nm based $150 AMD APUs can outperform even the 22nm $300 Haswell i7-4770 in this area of computing.

Brightsidesofnews reported that government agencies using benchmarks like PCMark 8 that will give more weight to OpenCL performance will shift purchasing decisions worth billions of dollars toward AMD.

These benchmarks presage a seismic shift and the upcoming Kaveri APUs with advanced GCN compute engines will elevate AMD over Intel in the near future.

You do realize that you linked 100W, 65W Desktop APUs from AMD? In your link Haswell can basically match the fastest 100W APU from AMD. The point is that a A10-4600M and especially A8-4500M are much slower, in particular A8-4500M is a slow APU, it's constantly slower in gaming and OpenCL than a Haswell HD4600. Don't get fooled by marketing slides.

 

[AtenRa]

You do realize that you linked 100W, 65W Desktop APUs from AMD? In your link Haswell can basically match the fastest 100W APU from AMD. The point is that a A10-4600M and especially A8-4500M are much slower, in particular A8-4500M is a slow APU, it's constantly slower in gaming and OpenCL than a Haswell HD4600. Don't get fooled by marketing slides.

How many times do we have to say that Maximo Face Plus only uses the iGPU and not the entire APU. Not only that, it is optimized for the VLIW4 architecture that Trinity and Ritcland APUs has. The A8-4500M has 256 Radeon cores that is faster running that application than the 20 EUs inside the Intel HD4600.
Other OpenCL applications/benchmarks use all the APU resources (CPU cores and iGPU cores) and its the reason the Intel Haswell is performing better at those.
You have to get used to it, more and more programs will start to use the iGPUs and at those applications AMD will have an edge over Intel.

 

[mikk]

How many times do we have to say that Maximo Face Plus only uses the iGPU and not the entire APU.

Nothing new and doesn't change anything. A8-4500M GPU is much slower.

 

[BallaTheFeared]

You have to get used to it, more and more programs will start to use the iGPUs and at those applications AMD will have an edge over Intel.

Based on the idea that we'll go backwards and stop using the cpu altogether in these iGPU systems...

Doesn't really make sense, does it?

AMD engineered a program I doubt many will even use to give them a marketing slide because without doing such things there isn't much else for AMD to talk about.


Pretty sure you can tack on another 40-45% FPS in your gaming results too.

I'd love to see what Iris can do overclocked. :thumbsup:

 

[AtenRa]

Nothing new and doesn't change anything. A8-4500M GPU is much slower.

Is that another AMD marketing slide ??

Or maybe this one ??

You have to understand that when you code specifically for a giver architecture you get much higher performance. The A8-4500M in Mixamo Face Plus is faster than Intel HD4600 either you like it or not.

You will see the same with AES and AVX, CPUs that dont have those instructions will perform poorly against modern hardware no matter if they are 8-cores 400mm2.

 

[AtenRa]

Based on the idea that we'll go backwards and stop using the cpu altogether in these iGPU systems...

Doesn't really make sense, does it?

AMD engineered a program I doubt many will even use to give them a marketing slide because without doing such things there isn't much else for AMD to talk about.


Pretty sure you can tack on another 40-45% FPS in your gaming results too.

I'd love to see what Iris can do overclocked. :thumbsup:

See my post above,

When the application will require highly parallel Floating Point calculations, the iGPU is way faster than the CPU. Nobody said you will not need the CPU (Integer) in the future, but when the application is written for the iGPU it will be faster.

 

[ShintaiDK]

Is that another AMD marketing slide ??

Or maybe this one ??

You have to understand that when you code specifically for a giver architecture you get much higher performance. The A8-4500M in Maximo Face Plus is faster than Intel HD4600 either you like it or not.

You will see the same with AES and AVX, CPUs that dont have those instructions will perform poorly against modern hardware no matter if they are 8-cores 400mm2.

So we have to believe your own benchmarks? From a person that even signed up for AMDs PR program with the task of filling forums up with this kind of nonsense. Your credibility is zero.

http://forum.oktabit.gr/topic/amd-a10-6800k-overclocked-part-1-desktop-applications

 

[AtenRa]

So we have to believe your own benchmarks? From a person that even signed up for AMDs PR program with the task of filling forums up with this kind of nonsense. Your credibility is zero.

http://forum.oktabit.gr/topic/amd-a10-6800k-overclocked-part-1-desktop-applications

Ahahahaha, the PC that was used for the AMD A10-6800K Review was made by a Greek OEM Company(Oktabit) and had nothing to do with AMD PR or any kind of AMD program. That PC was being sold in the Greek Retail market.
You can also verify that because the Hardware used(PC case, PSU, Memory, Motherboard etc) in the Review i made was not the same as the AMD marketing program.

Next time ask before you say things that makes you look silly

ps: just so there is no misinformation's, i havent signed an AMD PR program for the A10-6800K or any other AMD hardware. The majority of the hardware i use for reviews, i PAY for them my self.

 

[Meghan54]

The A8-4500M in Maximo Face Plus is faster than Intel HD4600

It's MIXAMO, you twit.

http://www.mixamo.com/

 

[CHADBOGA]

So we have to believe your own benchmarks? From a person that even signed up for AMDs PR program with the task of filling forums up with this kind of nonsense. Your credibility is zero.

http://forum.oktabit.gr/topic/amd-a10-6800k-overclocked-part-1-desktop-applications

Nice find. :awe:

 

[AtenRa]

Nice find. :awe:

yeap, next time he will find something else to try and discredited my reviews because he doesnt like Intel being shown loosing.

 

[AtenRa]

It's MIXAMO, you twit.

http://www.mixamo.com/

Heh, maximo sounds better

thx, ill fix it

 

[Keysplayr]

Jeebus, this place is crawling.