[AMD] Vega coming in 1H 2017

[ShintaiDK]

People, is this really a delay in vega or are we just finally getting a launch window? Wasn't october a rumor?

It was nothing but an unknown silly post at a forum that got hyped as gospel and made into clickbait stories to make money. Not to mention when fanboys ran with the ball due to the location of Vega on a roadmap. Its always been 2017 and now we know more precise that its around Q2.

 

[SpaceBeer]

Not so good news, since H1 is alway at the end of H1. Yes, it was always H1/2017, but at this time, I would expect them to have more precise schedule, and to confirm if it's Q1 or Q2. On a roadmap it was very close to the beginning of the year, I would say January On the same roadmap, Polaris was exactly at the middle of 2016, and it arrived just at that time. I mean, they can't be worried about Osborne effect or something, since no one is buying Fury after GTX 1070 & 1080 release.

 

[gamervivek]

Sounds too long a wait considering the C993xxx certification back in April and samples from February.

http://wccftech.com/amd-gcn-4-0-c99-flagship-polaris-rra-certification/

https://www.zauba.com/import-printed+circuit+board+assembly/hs-code-84733030/ip-INHYD4-hs-code.html

Unless the enthusiast class graphics card mentioned in the slide is the bigger Vega or C993xxx is some other chip and its current 3x Ellsmere pricing is way way lower uninsured.

 

[Erenhardt]

Something tells me amd is going for the low cost HBM implementation:
http://www.tweaktown.com/news/53536/low-cost-hbm-way-hit-mass-market-soon/index.html

Shame, as it is slower. The nice thing should be pricing. Some say HBM is a major factor in high-end GPU price, so any reduction here should have giant impact on the GPU price.

And since they need a lot of capacity, they will have overkill bandwidth anyway.

 

[ShintaiDK]

Something tells me amd is going for the low cost HBM implementation:
http://www.tweaktown.com/news/53536/low-cost-hbm-way-hit-mass-market-soon/index.html

Shame, as it is slower. The nice thing should be pricing. Some say HBM is a major factor in high-end GPU price, so any reduction here should have giant impact on the GPU price.

And since they need a lot of capacity, they will have overkill bandwidth anyway.

Low cost HBM development have barely begun. And it comes with a lot of penalties. Lower speed, removal of buffer chip, slave/master chip setup, ECC removal etc.

Anything AMD wish to sell for HPC as well will use the "real" HBM2. And for gamers, HBM is as useless as it can be.

 

[GodisanAtheist]

Vega has to be roughly competitive with big Pascal for AMD to have a snowballs chance in hell here. I really hope they've targeted the right performance segment.

With a year long lead, NV will be much more able to compete on price and have a lot more room to prepare products to spoil AMD's launch, which they are almost certainly planning to do.

OTOH AMD can try to pull an Apple and launch like they're the only player in the market. Confidence attracts people and when a company acts like they got the best game in town, the low information crowd eats it right up...

 

[Arachnotronic]

With a year long lead, NV will be much more able to compete on price and have a lot more room to prepare products to spoil AMD's launch, which they are almost certainly planning to do.

Yeah, Volta

 

[Sonikku]

I want AMD to stick it to the man but they just don't have the operating budget Intel or Nvidia do. They may not even have the best minds any more as the most talented in the business then to gravitate over to "the best" as opposed to "the budget brand".

 

[Azix]

if polaris taught e anything, its that you never have to take the crown. Even if it doesn't beat big pascal, there is a massive space for it to fill with the right pricing. Its all about launching it with the right message and properly so people know they are better off buying vega vs whatever the competition in that price range is.

 

[guskline]

Perhaps the focus on Zen has required the marshalling of all resources to it first. Truthfully Zen as a cpu will sell a lot more units than Vega as a gpu.

 

[Erenhardt]

I would rather have AMD rocking below $300 segments and not show for the high end at all, than waste resources on a GPU with its only purpose will be to get people nv high-end GPU at lower prices.

 

[boozzer]

Looks like they aren't quite committing to 1Q 2017, instead just saying 1H 2017. My guess is we'll see it in Q2 2017.

forgot to ask, where is the source of this claim? link please.

 

[Arachnotronic]

forgot to ask, where is the source of this claim? link please.

AMD's investor relations website.

http://phx.corporate-ir.net/Externa...9NjM0MzIxfENoaWxkSUQ9MzQwMTA4fFR5cGU9MQ==&t=1

 

[Newbian]

So the question is if nvidia is able to roll out volta in 2017 as it sounds now, granted it will probably be very limited stock and need until 2018 to catch up, what does this mean for volta 11 limited window?

I want to see some price drops on nvidia's side so get to it amd!

 

[USER8000]

I thought there were two Vega GPUs?? Wouldn't that mean they might launch Vega 11 in January then - wasn't quite a few AMD and ATI card launches done around December or January??

 

[Newbian]

I thought there were two Vega GPUs?? Wouldn't that mean they might launch Vega 11 in January then - wasn't quite a few AMD and ATI card launches done around December or January??

Vega 10 and Vega 11 are the two types and this appears to be the vega 11 that's being delayed again and people assume the vega 10 will be roughly the equivalent of gtx 1070 and closer to 1080 and are hoping for october / december launch but again this is just hope and dreams at this point as they haven't said anything yet about this version.

The problem is it used to be Q1 for the release and making it H1 now as others have said it means later near end of Q1 more then likely for vega 11.

 

[jpiniero]

So the question is if nvidia is able to roll out volta in 2017 as it sounds now, granted it will probably be very limited stock and need until 2018 to catch up, what does this mean for volta 11 limited window?

Volta isn't coming out next year, at least for consumers. 2017 is a refresh of Pascal at Samsung's 14FF.

Vega 10 and Vega 11 are the two types and this appears to be the vega 11 that's being delayed again and people assume the vega 10 will be roughly the equivalent of gtx 1070 and closer to 1080 and are hoping for october / december launch but again this is just hope and dreams at this point as they haven't said anything yet about this version.

I think they would have changed the wording if there was any hope of any Vega models coming out this year.

 

[USER8000]

Vega 10 and Vega 11 are the two types and this appears to be the vega 11 that's being delayed again and people assume the vega 10 will be roughly the equivalent of gtx 1070 and closer to 1080 and are hoping for october / december launch but again this is just hope and dreams at this point as they haven't said anything yet about this version.

The problem is it used to be Q1 for the release and making it H1 now as others have said it means later near end of Q1 more then likely for vega 11.

I would assume Vega 11 is the smaller chip like Polaris 11 is the smaller chip.

 

[IEC]

I would assume Vega 11 is the smaller chip like Polaris 11 is the smaller chip.

That's an incorrect assumption. Vega 10 comes before 11, and according to RTG it is small Vega first.

Supposedly it is chronologically numbered/named, not according to performance.

 

[richaron]

Lol yeah AMD dude instagramed a pic of "Vega launch" site and these muppets think it's logical that earliest "Vega" is 6+ months time.

OP appears to have gone fud (reported). Since source supplied does not back up thread title; it's much too broad and more than likely wrong. Thread title should be changed to "enthusiast Vega" (or close) unless OP can back up claims covering high end and pro segment Vega also.

I might seem like a petty problem, but misinformation can spread. At the very least thread titles should be checked for logical coherency.

 

[boozzer]

Lol yeah AMD dude instagramed a pic of "Vega launch" site and these muppets think it's logical that earliest "Vega" is 6+ months time.

OP appears to have gone fud (reported). Since source supplied does not back up thread title; it's much too broad and more than likely wrong. Thread title should be changed to "enthusiast Vega" (or close) unless OP can back up claims covering high end and pro segment Vega also.

I might seem like a petty problem, but misinformation can spread. At the very least thread titles should be checked for logical coherency.

well, page 8 of the pdf clearly stated 1H 2017. OP is spot on actually.

 

[boozzer]

Volta isn't coming out next year, at least for consumers. 2017 is a refresh of Pascal at Samsung's 14FF.



I think they would have changed the wording if there was any hope of any Vega models coming out this year.

damn, so I was right about 3+ years on 1 node.

 

[richaron]

well, page 8 of the pdf clearly stated 1H 2017. OP is spot on actually.

Yeah mate, you completely missed everything I've written.

Page 8 says "Vega for enthusiast market". Which has been my problem with OP and the thread title from the beginning. I've said it a couple of times in a couple of ways but you still missed it. So I'm sorry if I come across as I'm dealing with simpletons but I do hope you catch on sooner or later.

 

[railven]

AMD has from the start pretty much differentiated between Polaris 10 and 11. Which would launch when and performance targets. I'd assume them stating 'Vega' and not identify, say 'Vega 10' or 'Vega 11' implies both chips are set for H1 2017. Would have easy to state which Vega is aimed for 2017 if one of the two is actually slated for an earlier release.

Zen is starting to pick up steam. AMD is likely trying not to create the hype monster of previous launches only to fall flat on their face. Polaris refreshes might be place holders might have to carry the fight until then. It's going to be an ugly fight if you ask me. Not even sure why, but this kind of news is starting to appear more often in forums that have normally focused on gaming. I find that interesting.

 

[boozzer]

how do you know the vega on page 8 doesn't include all vega? until amd announces the release dates for the "non enthusiast vega", OP's statement still stands.