AMD Unveils World's Highest-Performing Processor for Desktop PCs

[Vette73]

just in case you Intel guys missed it, any P4 faster than a 2.8Ghz will require a 4 Phase power supply. So if you want anything faster you will need a new board.


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[Nemesis77]

Originally posted by: SuperSix

Originally posted by: Mrburns2007

Originally posted by: amnesiac 2.0
And these run at the comfortable temperature of what, 50000 degrees Kelvin?

They fixed the heat problem from what the reviews have said so they run pretty cool. Besides the P4 requires a HUGE heatsink to stay cool.

Riiiiight.... thanks for playing...

Are you saying that heatsink on P4 is not big?

EDIT: P4 heatsink & fan. Looks pretty big to me.

 

[Freejack2]

I think AMD and Intel both make great cpus. I'm pretty much at the point where I'll just get whatever gets me the most bang for my buck when I decide to upgrade.
In October/November of last year it was the Athlon XP. In July of this year it was the P4 Morningwood. Next year it'll probably be AMD's 64 bit cpu.

Competition is good. Give your money for a cpu to both companies. Without competition we'd be back to paying outrageous prices for slow ass chips.

 

[ToBeMe]

Originally posted by: Nemesis77

Originally posted by: SuperSix

Originally posted by: Mrburns2007

Originally posted by: amnesiac 2.0
And these run at the comfortable temperature of what, 50000 degrees Kelvin?

They fixed the heat problem from what the reviews have said so they run pretty cool. Besides the P4 requires a HUGE heatsink to stay cool.

Riiiiight.... thanks for playing...

Are you saying that heatsink on P4 is not big?

EDIT: P4 heatsink & fan. Looks pretty big to me.

It IS big..........you're right! Now, try this.......take a P4 1.6A and O/C the hell out of it with the stock H/S Fan combo...............then, do the same with an AMD chip and the stock H/S Fan combo.............let me know the results K??????

 

[Nemesis77]

Originally posted by: ToBeMe

Originally posted by: Nemesis77

Originally posted by: SuperSix

Originally posted by: Mrburns2007

Originally posted by: amnesiac 2.0
And these run at the comfortable temperature of what, 50000 degrees Kelvin?

They fixed the heat problem from what the reviews have said so they run pretty cool. Besides the P4 requires a HUGE heatsink to stay cool.

Riiiiight.... thanks for playing...

Are you saying that heatsink on P4 is not big?

EDIT: P4 heatsink & fan. Looks pretty big to me.

It IS big..........you're right! Now, try this.......take a P4 1.6A and O/C the hell out of it with the stock H/S Fan combo...............then, do the same with an AMD chip and the stock H/S Fan combo.............let me know the results K??????

With the new stepping, T-bred seems to overclock about 300MHz with standard cooling. Sure, P4 overclocks more, but OTOH, it needs those extra MHz to compete .

 

[ToBeMe]

Originally posted by: Nemesis77

Originally posted by: ToBeMe

Originally posted by: Nemesis77

Originally posted by: SuperSix

Originally posted by: Mrburns2007

Originally posted by: amnesiac 2.0
And these run at the comfortable temperature of what, 50000 degrees Kelvin?

They fixed the heat problem from what the reviews have said so they run pretty cool. Besides the P4 requires a HUGE heatsink to stay cool.

Riiiiight.... thanks for playing...

Are you saying that heatsink on P4 is not big?

EDIT: P4 heatsink & fan. Looks pretty big to me.

It IS big..........you're right! Now, try this.......take a P4 1.6A and O/C the hell out of it with the stock H/S Fan combo...............then, do the same with an AMD chip and the stock H/S Fan combo.............let me know the results K??????

With the new stepping, T-bred seems to overclock about 300MHz with standard cooling. Sure, P4 overclocks more, but OTOH, it needs those extra MHz to compete .

SEEMS is a pretty key word there............do you have on??? Have you done it yourself????? I have with the P4's and tried with the XP's.................all I'm addressing is the fact that with the P4, you can O/C with the stock H/S Fan and pretty amazingly................with the XP's you are almost guaranteed to have to purchase a 3rd party H/S Fan combo if you want to do any decent O/C'ing.............as far as the "new" cips which are released but not "out" yet...................it remains to be seen, but, it seems most used 3rd party H/S Fan Combos for testing and to get decent O/C's they used a water block or similar heavy duty O/C'ing device............. I'm sure they will be fine, but, no, they're not the World's Highest-Performing Processor..................

 

[Nemesis77]

Originally posted by: ToBeMe
SEEMS is a pretty key word there............do you have on??? Have you done it yourself?????

What's with all those question-marks? It makes you seem agitated. Are you annoyed because AMD released a new CPU ?

Back to the topic. Of course I don't have b-stepping T-bred. They were just released after all. As to O/Cing 1.6GHZ P4.... Didn't Intel already discontinue that model?

I have with the P4's and tried with the XP's.................all I'm addressing is the fact that with the P4, you can O/C with the stock H/S Fan and pretty amazingly

You better be, since P4 needs lots and lots of MHz to compete with Athlon.

................with the XP's you are almost guaranteed to have to purchase a 3rd party H/S Fan combo if you want to do any decent O/C'ing

You don't have to OC it as much since it does more per clock-cycle.

.............as far as the "new" cips which are released but not "out" yet...................it remains to be seen, but, it seems most used 3rd party H/S Fan Combos for testing and to get decent O/C's they used a water block or similar heavy duty O/C'ing device

With 3rd party HS/fans they overclocked it 400+MHz. So I assumed that with standard HS/fan it would get about 300MHz. That's not far-fetched IMO.

I'm sure they will be fine, but, no, they're not the World's Highest-Performing Processor..................

Like I said, it depends on the app. In some Benchmarks the Athlon wipes the floor with P4, in others it does not. What what do you suggest AMD should say? "We just released a mediocre CPU!". PR-talk is PR-talk, get used to it.

 

[ToBeMe]

Originally posted by: Nemesis77

Originally posted by: ToBeMe
SEEMS is a pretty key word there............do you have on??? Have you done it yourself?????

What's with all those question-marks? It makes you seem agitated. Are you annoyed because AMD released a new CPU ?

Back to the topic. Of course I don't have b-stepping T-bred. They were just released after all. As to O/Cing 1.6GHZ P4.... Didn't Intel already discontinue that model?

I have with the P4's and tried with the XP's.................all I'm addressing is the fact that with the P4, you can O/C with the stock H/S Fan and pretty amazingly

You better be, since P4 needs lots and lots of MHz to compete with Athlon.

................with the XP's you are almost guaranteed to have to purchase a 3rd party H/S Fan combo if you want to do any decent O/C'ing

You don't have to OC it as much since it does more per clock-cycle.

.............as far as the "new" cips which are released but not "out" yet...................it remains to be seen, but, it seems most used 3rd party H/S Fan Combos for testing and to get decent O/C's they used a water block or similar heavy duty O/C'ing device

With 3rd party HS/fans they overclocked it 400+MHz. So I assumed that with standard HS/fan it would get about 300MHz. That's not far-fetched IMO.

I'm sure they will be fine, but, no, they're not the World's Highest-Performing Processor..................

Like I said, it depends on the app. In some Benchmarks the Athlon wipes the floor with P4, in others it does not. What what do you suggest AMD should say? "We just released a mediocre CPU!". PR-talk is PR-talk, get used to it.

Get used to it???

ROFLMAO........I've been around this business for one hell of a long time now.............I see no point in adressing most of your other drivel..............I USE both AMD and Intel..........do you????? It makes no difference to me.........that's were kids like you are different from me.............I'll buy each, sell each, and be happy with each! I just find it funny that AMD comes out with a headline like that at this point................with Hammer.....yeah, I could understand it, but, not with these T-Breds.............they are admittedly a "carryover" chip they are using just to get them to Hammer.............they aren't the "World's Fastest" now and certainly won't be within a few days.

If you're so blind as to only see the AMD brand in chips...........I feel sorry for you being so closed minded because that is certainly how you come across.

As for the whole O/C'ing part of these new chips..................why don't we wait and see what is actually possible before speaking on pure conjuncture????? I mean I can say that the 2.53 P4's O/c easily to 2.8+ and the 2.8 will probably O/C to 3.1 fairly easy too.............

 

[Nemesis77]

Originally posted by: ToBeMe
Get used to it???

ROFLMAO

Precisely, get used to it. Read few press-releases. In each and every one that particular company is decribed as "leader in this field" and their products are "best". How can they all be "leaders"? Like I said, it's just PR-talk, get used to it

I see no point in adressing most of your other drivel

You mean: "I have no valid counterpoints to your arguments so I just choose to ignore them". Yep, sticking your head in the sand is a valid strategy, I guess

I USE both AMD and Intel..........do you?????

Could you stop doing the .............?

As to your question.... My personal computer is a Duron machine. My personal server has a 200MHz Pentium Pro, my laptop has 1.13GHz P3m. Do I use Intel CPU's? Why yes, yes I do. Any more questions?

I just find it funny that AMD comes out with a headline like that at this point

Like I said, what were they suppsed to say? "AMD releases new mediocre CPU!". "AMD releases new second-best CPU in the market!". Sorry, PR doesn't quite work that way.

but, not with these T-Breds

There are benchmarks where Athlon massacres P4, so they are not completely pulling their claims put of their ass.

they aren't the "World's Fastest" now and certainly won't be within a few days.

How do you determine what CPU is "worlds fastest"? What benchmarks will you use? Like I said, it all depends on the app.

If you're so blind as to only see the AMD brand in chips

And you seem to be blind to only see only Intel-chips .

I feel sorry for you being so closed minded because that is certainly how you come across.

"Pot, meet kettle, kettle, this is pot"

I mean I can say that the 2.53 P4's O/c easily to 2.8+

What, a 300MHz overclock? If Athlon overclock 300MHz it sucks, if Intel does the same (lesser overclock if you look at the O/C-%) it proves that they are superior overclockers?

Now, before you jump on that, I acknowledge that generally P4 overclocks better than Athlon does.

 

[ToBeMe]

Originally posted by: Nemesis77

Originally posted by: ToBeMe
Get used to it???

ROFLMAO

Precisely, get used to it. Read few press-releases. In each and every one that particular company is decribed as "leader in this field" and their products are "best". How can they all be "leaders"? Like I said, it's just PR-talk, get used to it

Well, I am used to it......why arent you???? Did you happen to capture Intels release on their latest??? "Intel releases their fastest P4 to date, the P4 2.8Ghz"
No claim of "Worlds Fastest" in there, nor in their last release................by the same token, AMD did not claim thon their previous release either! Why is it to hard for you to comprehend that their use of "Worlds Fastest" is all that is in question??? PR aside, it is not an accurate statement and can not be taken as such unless a disclaimer is added to explain how they arrive at that conclusion.

I see no point in adressing most of your other drivel

You mean: "I have no valid counterpoints to your arguments so I just choose to ignore them". Yep, sticking your head in the sand is a valid strategy, I guess

No..........not what I mean at all! What I mean is, it is not worth arguing with someone whom is obviously blinded and oblivious as to what you are saying!!!

I USE both AMD and Intel..........do you?????

Could you stop doing the .............?

Ummm, no, don't believe I will OK??????????????????????????????????????????????

As to your question.... My personal computer is a Duron machine. My personal server has a 200MHz Pentium Pro, my laptop has 1.13GHz P3m. Do I use Intel CPU's? Why yes, yes I do. Any more questions?

So basicly, you admitt you have limited working knowledge as to what you are trying to discuss. That's OK, I can understand that, now, try to understand that I do work with building/troubleshooting/testing systems with AMD & Intel chips everyday.............doesn't mean a damned thing either way, but, at least I do have a working knowledge of what can be expected from both AMD and Intel high end chips...............

I just find it funny that AMD comes out with a headline like that at this point

Like I said, what were they suppsed to say? "AMD releases new mediocre CPU!". "AMD releases new second-best CPU in the market!". Sorry, PR doesn't quite work that way.

No, not quite as sarcastic as someone with your limited intellect but great ability for sarcasim would phrase it, but, how about "AMD releases their fastest CPU's yet which compete directly with Intel fastest offerings"?????????????????

but, not with these T-Breds

There are benchmarks where Athlon massacres P4, so they are not completely pulling their claims put of their ass.

Unless you are just plain blind, winning "some" B/M's does not "The Worlds Fastest CPU" make...................

they aren't the "World's Fastest" now and certainly won't be within a few days.

How do you determine what CPU is "worlds fastest"? What benchmarks will you use? Like I said, it all depends on the app.

BINGO........you're finally reallizing my point....................not that hard now was it?????? Add a disclaimer which states chip XXX has been declared the fastest in XXX app. and we have a winner in that particular category! It's not the "World's Fastest" now, nor will it be in a few days, weeks, or months...........there is always something faster or another way to B.M it which makes another faster. There is no "World's Fastest CPU" across the board................

If you're so blind as to only see the AMD brand in chips

And you seem to be blind to only see only Intel-chips .

Well, sorry, you're just speaking from lack of knowledge there again! I have and will continue to build and use both AMD and Intel chips and will argue and dicuss qualities of each!

I feel sorry for you being so closed minded because that is certainly how you come across.

"Pot, meet kettle, kettle, this is pot"

Sorry once again, but you are incorrect.............if you would take the time to see for yourself, I am active in both negative and positive discussions in both AMD and Intel thread and as stated, I use and work on both daily.

I mean I can say that the 2.53 P4's O/c easily to 2.8+

What, a 300MHz overclock? If Athlon overclock 300MHz it sucks, if Intel does the same (lesser overclock if you look at the O/C-%) it proves that they are superior overclockers?

Now, before you jump on that, I acknowledge that generally P4 overclocks better than Athlon does.

OK, fair enough, and no, that was an example to show you that simply because the XP can O/C to nearly the same speed as the P4, that in itself is meaningless on many levels since the P4 can also be O/C'ed and because an O/C'ed CPU will not provide as acurate results as one running at it's stock, intended speed. One could take a P4 1.6 and O/C it faster than most Xp's...............does that make the P4 1.6 a better CPU??? Of course not, it simply shows the headroom and capability for a certain CPU.

If you somehow think I am Intel biased, you are incorrect............I've posted one hell of a lot of facts concerning the XP's and especially the upcoming "Hammer" chips which I think are going to be groundbreaking...........I'm simply pointing out the obvious.....................

 

[Vic]

I always marvel when I read these Intel vs. AMD threads because, without exception, the Intel proponents are always such assholes.

Face it, Intel fanboys: AMD makes a good chip. One that hangs performance-wise with the best Intel has to offer and, because of AMD's market position, will certainly cost less. I really can't understand why such a thing is so unbelievable. Just a short year ago, AMD was constantly kicking Intel's ass in all the benchmarks. How long you been building computers, 6 months?
Oh, I remember, you're the crowd that's never built an AMD system but has always been there talking about how hot they run or how they don't have thermal protection or how incompatible they are.... because of course there is this one rule in system building that says that if an AMD system has a problem, they fault is AMD's while if an Intel system has a problem (and you know they often do), the fault is any other vendor's but Intel's. :disgust:

Maybe the problem the fanboys are having is that AMD is stepping it up in all the other areas:

Thermal protection? All the AXP's have it and, if you buy a supporting motherboard like an Epox 8K3A+ or Asus A7V333 (or just most any newer board), it works beautifully. It is now all but impossible to fry an Athlon. And the only reason I say "all but" is because I know that some future Darwin Award candidate, in an unbelievable display of stupidity, will somehow manage to pull it off against all odds, and of course the fault will somehow be AMD's....

Heat? This one I never understand. To me, heat = stability. If a system is stable, then it's running cool enough. Yes, I know there are idiots out there who sweat over every degree as if it mattered. If you're one of them, please just uninstall MBM5 (or whatever you use) and repeat this mantra in your head, "If my system is stable and running below the manufacturer's max temp guidelines, then it does not matter how hot it runs." And don't give me that "it'll last longer" BS. We both know you're gonna buy a new chip within a year. And it's not like Intels run that cool. I've built many AMD and Intel systems, includingboth AXP's and P4's, and an overclocked P4 is not exactly a frosty cpu.

Ah well, I could go on, but (by definition) the last thing fanboys hear is common sense.

 

[Nemesis77]

Originally posted by: ToBeMe
Well, I am used to it......why arent you???? Did you happen to capture Intels release on their latest??? "Intel releases their fastest P4 to date, the P4 2.8Ghz"
No claim of "Worlds Fastest" in there, nor in their last release

And what does that prove? Nothing. All companies claim that their products are the best there is. And yes, that includes both AMD and Intel. If you don't believe that, then you are sadly mistaken.

PR aside, it is not an accurate statement and can not be taken as such unless a disclaimer is added to explain how they arrive at that conclusion.

So you whine because according to you their press-release is not 100% true? Go read press-releases, they are ALWAYS like that!

As to your question.... My personal computer is a Duron machine. My personal server has a 200MHz Pentium Pro, my laptop has 1.13GHz P3m. Do I use Intel CPU's? Why yes, yes I do. Any more questions?

So basicly, you admitt you have limited working knowledge as to what you are trying to discuss.

Where did I "admit" that? I just listed what CPU's the computers I personally own happen to be running. How many computers do you own? Besides the computers I own, I work on several computers each day. I troubleshoot 'em, manage 'em, install both hardware and software and I test 'em.

That's OK, I can understand that, now, try to understand that I do work with building/troubleshooting/testing systems with AMD & Intel chips everyday

WOW! I'm impressed! *cough*not*cough*.

No, not quite as sarcastic as someone with your limited intellect but great ability for sarcasim would phrase it, but, how about "AMD releases their fastest CPU's yet which compete directly with Intel fastest offerings"

So basically the reason for your whining is the wording on AMD's press-release? Seriously, don't you have anything important to do? Like I have said several times, all press-releases are like that, get used to it.

Unless you are just plain blind, winning "some" B/M's does not "The Worlds Fastest CPU" make

What does make CPU in to "worlds fastest CPU"? Intel can't claim that title either.

they aren't the "World's Fastest" now and certainly won't be within a few days.

Hey, the press-release only speak about what's here and now, not what will happen in the future. I bet I could find press-releases where Intel releases "Worlds fastest" 233MHz MMX Pentium

you're finally reallizing my point

You had a point?

Add a disclaimer which states chip XXX has been declared the fastest in XXX app. and we have a winner in that particular category!

Do Intel, Ati, NVIDIA etc. make those disclaimers? Why should they put them there? So people who are low on intelligence understand what they are trying to say?

Well, sorry, you're just speaking from lack of knowledge there again!

Sorry, I already proved you wrong on that one, you have to find something new to say.

Sorry once again, but you are incorrect.............if you would take the time to see for yourself, I am active in both negative and positive discussions in both AMD and Intel thread and as stated, I use and work on both daily.

Sorry, I have better things to do that to read each and every thread you have participated in. Nor I have no interest in following you around and read everyone of your posts.

If you somehow think I am Intel biased, you are incorrect.

In this thread you have biased towards Intel. You have done nothing but whine about AMD. In other threads... Read my reply above.

 

[dude8604]

Originally posted by: BoYRaCeR

Originally posted by: Wingznut PEZ "World's Highest-Performing Processor"???

World's Highest-Performing Processor for Desktop PCs

 

[kami]

Good for AMD. I wish people would put their zealotry aside and realize that more competition is ALWAYS better.

 

[Vinny N]

Originally posted by: Skyclad1uhm1

Originally posted by: Nemesis77

Originally posted by: hans007
realize that the athlon still doesnt have thermal protection

To my knowledge, Athlon does have thermal protection.

Thought most Athlon motherboards have it nowadays, but the processor itself still doesn't. Not that it happens so often that the heatsink flies off the processor in the first place...

You know...up until a week ago, I would never have been able to reply to that...nor would I even consider it possible that the heatsink would pop off.

but a week ago, my friend's Athlon 1.1ghz system which had been running just fine and dandy for the longest time with a retail HSF...well, somehow, it must have been the tension in the clip, it just snapped the lug right off. The heatsink lost contact and the cpu was still on. So it fried

Luckily the heatsink didn't fall or it would have caused even more damage.

Now I have nightmares of my lug breaking while the system is on!

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: PSYWVic
I always marvel when I read these Intel vs. AMD threads because, without exception, the Intel proponents are always such assholes.

AMD fanboys are just as idiotic. One doesn't have to look very far to find proof.

 

[Legendary]

Battle of the Zealots right here...

 

[tigerbait]

Originally posted by: kami
Good for AMD. I wish people would put their zealotry aside and realize that more competition is ALWAYS better.

exactly.... get whichever one you want... no point in arguing... the bottom line is that the competition helps us consumers.

 

[ToBeMe]

Originally posted by: Nemesis77

Originally posted by: ToBeMe
Well, I am used to it......why arent you???? Did you happen to capture Intels release on their latest??? "Intel releases their fastest P4 to date, the P4 2.8Ghz"
No claim of "Worlds Fastest" in there, nor in their last release

And what does that prove? Nothing. All companies claim that their products are the best there is. And yes, that includes both AMD and Intel. If you don't believe that, then you are sadly mistaken.

LOL! "Most" claim they are releasing their fastest product to date or a similar statement stating they are faster than a comparable product of different branding........not "The Worlds fastest".

PR aside, it is not an accurate statement and can not be taken as such unless a disclaimer is added to explain how they arrive at that conclusion.

So you whine because according to you their press-release is not 100% true? Go read press-releases, they are ALWAYS like that!

Well, let's see, I read nearly every press release since they come straight to me through reseller lists from several companies..............

As to your question.... My personal computer is a Duron machine. My personal server has a 200MHz Pentium Pro, my laptop has 1.13GHz P3m. Do I use Intel CPU's? Why yes, yes I do. Any more questions?

So basicly, you admitt you have limited working knowledge as to what you are trying to discuss.

Where did I "admit" that? I just listed what CPU's the computers I personally own happen to be running. How many computers do you own? Besides the computers I own, I work on several computers each day. I troubleshoot 'em, manage 'em, install both hardware and software and I test 'em.

Oh, now a question for me???? I'm flattered........... I presently have 5 systems in my home......3 Intel (1.6, 2.26, & 2.53) and 2 AMD's (1800+, & 2200+)
I also work on systems everyday...............I have a B/M business and hold service contracts for 5 school districts and several local businesses as well as building/updating/servicing systems for customers in shop and on site.

That's OK, I can understand that, now, try to understand that I do work with building/troubleshooting/testing systems with AMD & Intel chips everyday

WOW! I'm impressed! *cough*not*cough*.

Then you'll easily understand how unimpressed I am with your credentials.....or lack thereof.............

No, not quite as sarcastic as someone with your limited intellect but great ability for sarcasim would phrase it, but, how about "AMD releases their fastest CPU's yet which compete directly with Intel fastest offerings"

So basically the reason for your whining is the wording on AMD's press-release? Seriously, don't you have anything important to do? Like I have said several times, all press-releases are like that, get used to it.

Well actually, as I have stated, I own my own business and currently employ 7 people. I am not personally going out to do service work myself at the present time because I am still recovering from back surgery complications which left me in the hospital for 29 days in June so no, right now I'm pretty much doing anything I please.............how about you????? Why aren't you working or doing something productive? or are you simply milking your employers time????:Q

Unless you are just plain blind, winning "some" B/M's does not "The Worlds Fastest CPU" make

What does make CPU in to "worlds fastest CPU"? Intel can't claim that title either.

EXACTLY my point! You're catching on........point out exactly where I stated they did.......NO company can state they have the "fastest" CPU because it is statisticly immpossible to have the fastest chip in every category...........

they aren't the "World's Fastest" now and certainly won't be within a few days.

Hey, the press-release only speak about what's here and now, not what will happen in the future. I bet I could find press-releases where Intel releases "Worlds fastest" 233MHz MMX Pentium

Fact is though, they do not have the "Worlds Fastest CPU" right now! As far as Intel...........I'm sure you could find a statement similar and it would be just as wrong and just as false as this statement!!!

you're finally reallizing my point

You had a point?

Yes, unlike you.................:Q

Add a disclaimer which states chip XXX has been declared the fastest in XXX app. and we have a winner in that particular category!

Do Intel, Ati, NVIDIA etc. make those disclaimers? Why should they put them there? So people who are low on intelligence understand what they are trying to say?

Yes, in fact many times they do and for legal reasons........stop cutting yourself down.....you seem quite able to figure out at least simple things........ (j/k)

Well, sorry, you're just speaking from lack of knowledge there again!

Sorry, I already proved you wrong on that one, you have to find something new to say.

Sorry son, but you have proven me wrong nowhere or in any way..............

Sorry once again, but you are incorrect.............if you would take the time to see for yourself, I am active in both negative and positive discussions in both AMD and Intel thread and as stated, I use and work on both daily.

Sorry, I have better things to do that to read each and every thread you have participated in. Nor I have no interest in following you around and read everyone of your posts.

Exactly, you have know desire to actually hear or see the truth, you only folow your "agenda" which limits you to only what you want to see and believe..............

If you somehow think I am Intel biased, you are incorrect.

In this thread you have biased towards Intel. You have done nothing but whine about AMD. In other threads... Read my reply above.

Um, correct me if I'm wrong, but that's probably because this thread is ABOUT AMD....................

 

[zzzz]

Which brand of cpu makes the multiple quoted posts intelligible?

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: Vinny_N

Originally posted by: Skyclad1uhm1

Originally posted by: Nemesis77

Originally posted by: hans007
realize that the athlon still doesnt have thermal protection

To my knowledge, Athlon does have thermal protection.

Thought most Athlon motherboards have it nowadays, but the processor itself still doesn't. Not that it happens so often that the heatsink flies off the processor in the first place...

You know...up until a week ago, I would never have been able to reply to that...nor would I even consider it possible that the heatsink would pop off.

but a week ago, my friend's Athlon 1.1ghz system which had been running just fine and dandy for the longest time with a retail HSF...well, somehow, it must have been the tension in the clip, it just snapped the lug right off. The heatsink lost contact and the cpu was still on. So it fried

Luckily the heatsink didn't fall or it would have caused even more damage.

Now I have nightmares of my lug breaking while the system is on!

All AXP cpu's have a thermal diode similar to a Penitum 3 and all newer AMD-compatible motherboards are required to support that diode (as of 6/10/02, IIRC). Sorry to hear about your friend's cpu, but it happens. Extremely rare, but it happens. I wouldn't get nightmares over it though. With much-faster-than-that-old-1.1GHz-and-thermal-diode-sporting AXP's selling for as little as $50 bucks, a replacement hardly breaks the bank. Spend another ~$75 bucks for a newer mobo that supports that thermal diode, and you need never worry again (and would get a nifty upgrade in the bargain to boot).

Which brand of cpu makes the multiple quoted posts intelligible?

Cyrix

 

[Nemesis77]

Originally posted by: ToBeMe
LOL! "Most" claim they are releasing their fastest product to date or a similar statement stating they are faster than a comparable product of different branding........not "The Worlds fastest".

You are whining about wording in a frigging press-release! Get over it already! Just about all press-releases are like that!

PR aside, it is not an accurate statement and can not be taken as such unless a disclaimer is added to explain how they arrive at that conclusion.

GET OVER IT!

Well, let's see, I read nearly every press release since they come straight to me through reseller lists from several companies

I read press-releases occasionally. In all of them, the company in question claims to be the leading company in their field of business and that their products are the best there are. That's just the way press-releases are, GET OVER IT!

Oh, now a question for me???? I'm flattered

You never answered my question (surprise surprise....). I listed the computers I own and mentioned what CPU they have. According to you, that proves that I'm ignorant. How exactly?

I presently have 5 systems in my home......3 Intel (1.6, 2.26, & 2.53) and 2 AMD's (1800+, & 2200+)

Why don't you mention the AMD-systems in your sig (like you do with your Intel-systems). Are you biased towards Intel (<==== Notice the smiley!)?

Well actually, as I have stated, I own my own business and currently employ 7 people. I am not personally going out to do service work myself at the present time because I am still recovering from back surgery complications which left me in the hospital for 29 days in June so no, right now I'm pretty much doing anything I please

Good for you!

how about you????? Why aren't you working or doing something productive? or are you simply milking your employers time????:Q

Well, it's about 9.40pm in here (you know, timezones and all). What I do with my spare time is no concern of my employer.

EXACTLY my point! You're catching on........point out exactly where I stated they did.......NO company can state they have the "fastest" CPU because it is statisticly immpossible to have the fastest chip in every category

You are whinging about wording in a press-release. GET OVER IT!

Add a disclaimer which states chip XXX has been declared the fastest in XXX app. and we have a winner in that particular category!

GET OVER IT!

Yes, in fact many times they do and for legal reasons........stop cutting yourself down.....you seem quite able to figure out at least simple things........ (j/k)

I have read several press-releases where they claimn that particular product is "the best" without offering any evidence. I even remember Intel claiming that "Pentium makes Internet faster" and that "Pentium IV improves the sound-quality of your mp3's!".

Exactly, you have know desire to actually hear or see the truth, you only folow your "agenda" which limits you to only what you want to see and believe

I think I know you. Aren't you the same guy who started bombing my PM-box after I and few others proved you wrong in a AMD/Intel-debate? You refused to accept defeat and started to spam my PM-box. Your defence mainly consisted on covering your ears and shouting "LA LA LA! I can't hear you!". History repeats itself, it seems....

Um, correct me if I'm wrong, but that's probably because this thread is ABOUT AMD

And you come here and whine about nothing really. It does show bias (not to mention the earlier thread where you were completely bitch-slapped, but you still refused to accept the truth).

Now to other matter: Could you PLEASE try to make your posts at least remotely readable? Now, I understant that the quoting-system can be difficult, but please, try at least. And those excessive ........... and ??????????? don't actually give good impression on you.

 

[ToBeMe]

Originally posted by: Nemesis77

Originally posted by: ToBeMe
LOL! "Most" claim they are releasing their fastest product to date or a similar statement stating they are faster than a comparable product of different branding........not "The Worlds fastest".

You are whining about wording in a frigging press-release! Get over it already! Just about all press-releases are like that!

PR aside, it is not an accurate statement and can not be taken as such unless a disclaimer is added to explain how they arrive at that conclusion.

GET OVER IT!

Well, let's see, I read nearly every press release since they come straight to me through reseller lists from several companies

I read press-releases occasionally. In all of them, the company in question claims to be the leading company in their field of business and that their products are the best there are. That's just the way press-releases are, GET OVER IT!

Oh, now a question for me???? I'm flattered

You never answered my question (surprise surprise....). I listed the computers I own and mentioned what CPU they have. According to you, that proves that I'm ignorant. How exactly?

I presently have 5 systems in my home......3 Intel (1.6, 2.26, & 2.53) and 2 AMD's (1800+, & 2200+)

Why don't you mention the AMD-systems in your sig (like you do with your Intel-systems). Are you biased towards Intel (<==== Notice the smiley!)?

Well actually, as I have stated, I own my own business and currently employ 7 people. I am not personally going out to do service work myself at the present time because I am still recovering from back surgery complications which left me in the hospital for 29 days in June so no, right now I'm pretty much doing anything I please

Good for you!

how about you????? Why aren't you working or doing something productive? or are you simply milking your employers time????:Q

Well, it's about 9.40pm in here (you know, timezones and all). What I do with my spare time is no concern of my employer.

EXACTLY my point! You're catching on........point out exactly where I stated they did.......NO company can state they have the "fastest" CPU because it is statisticly immpossible to have the fastest chip in every category

You are whinging about wording in a press-release. GET OVER IT!

Add a disclaimer which states chip XXX has been declared the fastest in XXX app. and we have a winner in that particular category!

GET OVER IT!

Yes, in fact many times they do and for legal reasons........stop cutting yourself down.....you seem quite able to figure out at least simple things........ (j/k)

I have read several press-releases where they claimn that particular product is "the best" without offering any evidence. I even remember Intel claiming that "Pentium makes Internet faster" and that "Pentium IV improves the sound-quality of your mp3's!".

Exactly, you have know desire to actually hear or see the truth, you only folow your "agenda" which limits you to only what you want to see and believe

I think I know you. Aren't you the same guy who started bombing my PM-box after I and few others proved you wrong in a AMD/Intel-debate? You refused to accept defeat and started to spam my PM-box. Your defence mainly consisted on covering your ears and shouting "LA LA LA! I can't hear you!". History repeats itself, it seems....

Um, correct me if I'm wrong, but that's probably because this thread is ABOUT AMD

And you come here and whine about nothing really. It does show bias (not to mention the earlier thread where you were completely bitch-slapped, but you still refused to accept the truth).

Now to other matter: Could you PLEASE try to make your posts at least remotely readable? Now, I understant that the quoting-system can be difficult, but please, try at least. And those excessive ........... and ??????????? don't actually give good impression on you.

The only comment I'm going to make here is that no, I never "bombed" you with PM's or anyone on A/T for that matter if you have proof that I did.....please, present it! I'll address you're childish comments through PM's from this point forward as I'm sure others are becoming bored with our dialoge and bantering. You constantly mention "Get over It" frankly, it appears you need to "get over" yourself...............you appear to be a legend in your own mind...............

 

[dawks]

Intel: We slow it down, to make it go faster!

Taking a page straight from Rambus, or was it the other way around

 

[Nemesis77]

Originally posted by: ToBeMe
The only comment I'm going to make here is that no, I never "bombed" you with PM's or anyone on A/T for that matter if you have proof that I did.....please, present it!

Nope, I have purged my PM's since then, but I could have sworn that it was you. Oh well, it was awhile ago, I could be mistaken. But the style of writing is similar, and I remember the avatar.

I'll address you're childish comments through PM's from this point forward as I'm sure others are becoming bored with our dialoge and bantering.

Please don't, my PM-box is full as it is.

You constantly mention "Get over It" frankly, it appears you need to "get over" yourself

Really? I'm not the one whining about wording in a press-release. "Clinging to a straw" is what comes to my mind.