AMD Turion Mobile CPU Info: Compiled into one thread

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Albis

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so the ultra low voltage models won't be out til 2006? i love amd processors but looks like i'll be going with intel for a laptop
 
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fbrdphreak

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I think right now that is your best bet :)
Intel definitely OWNS the mobile market right now, but I am very excited about AMD's offering.
However, it might be too little too late; kinda like the 64-bit P4's and AMD's longstanding A64 champion ;)
 
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Any idea for a street date? I am in the market for a laptop for grad school and I would rather get an AMD Turion than a Centrino. However, the waiting part sucks and I would like to see price estimates and benchmarks soon.

EDIT - Found this link.
 
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I think I heard late March/early April, but there are still no tech specs except that it uses like 35W. 35W is still a lot more than the Pentium M tho, Pentium M's use like 25W for the whole laptop running @ full speed. I think the big benefit to Turion will be 64-bit compatibility and A64-like performance in a mobile package. Hopefully manufacturer's will pair that with a 12-cell battery in a form factor like the HP dv1000; that thing only weighs 6 lbs with the 12-cell and has a 14" widescreen, not too shabby & easy to carry around
 
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Jassi

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I want (not need) a lappy now but Turion can't be ignored. Hurry up AMD!
 
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Fox5

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Originally posted by: Albis
so the ultra low voltage models won't be out til 2006? i love amd processors but looks like i'll be going with intel for a laptop
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Intel doesn't have ultra low models either...

BTW, are amd's ultra low models athlon xp or athlon 64 based? They might be the amd geode processors which are athlon xp based, those are like <1W at 1ghz and like <7W at 1.5ghz.

Pentium M's use like 25W for the whole laptop running @ full speed.
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Umm, pretty sure it's just the cpu at 25W, if the entire laptop ran at 25w then centrino laptops wouldn't just be getting an extra hour or two over athlon 64 laptops of the same configuration, they'd be getting 10s of hours more.(and I think sonoma is at 30w)
 
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fbrdphreak

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Well, I'm not going to claim I've read any thermal benchmarks, but when I use MobileMeter which displays the current power draw, the power draw fluctuates between ~12W and ~25W depending on of course CPU frequency, but also LCD brightness, wifi, CD drive usage, etc. Also, IBM's battery utility also measures power draw and is right in line with MobileMeter.
 
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Fox5

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I'm guessing the computer is idle if the readings are that low, I'd imagine the system should be somewhere between 60W to 100W at least at max utilization.
 
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fbrdphreak

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Why do you imagine that? Its not impossible; P-M's use ~20W max or something like that. The current A64's peak at like 110W (non-FX). I have faith in AMD being able to develop a 35W max CPU that is 64-bit compatible & offers comparable A64 performance. (here I was comparing the P-M to the Turion; not making a reference to total power usage ;))

edit Oh, were you referring to my Thinkpad? I'll tell you what, when I get back from work I'll open up the IBM program and MobileMark and I will max out all the settings & put in a DVD or something. We'll see what the power draw goes to, because I'm curious to differentiate it as well.
 
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Intel has had Ultra Low Voltage models out since the Pentium III IIRC. The Pentium M ULV's are used primarily in Tablet PC's and other formats where battery size is very limited.
See here
 
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these turions.. they seem like amd's special name for ultra low voltage a64s.... since these go into socket 754, i wonder how well these will oc on something like a dfi lanparty 250gb
 
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That's a good question; I googled and found that right now the mobile A64's have a TDP of 35W minimum, which ISN'T bad for the power you get out of the machine. Also, this might be the TDP used when underclocked to 1GHz. Either way, I'd imagine Turion will OC like crazy. Its got to have a high IPC since it is probably going to run at a lower clockspeed, so when you up the clock speed performance really increases; kind of like the P-M and existing A64's. **drool**
Give us details AMD!!
 
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Fox5

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"these turions.. they seem like amd's special name for ultra low voltage a64s.... since these go into socket 754, i wonder how well these will oc on something like a dfi lanparty 250gb"
AMD's ultra low voltage cpus are the geodes, which are athlon xp based. These are just low voltage.

BTW, amd had a low voltage mobile a64 before, the 2700+ and 2800+ mobiles were rated at 1.6ghz and 1.8ghz and 35w and were 130nm. Then the dtrs were 62W I think, and the regulars were like 80 something watts. The current 90nms are rated at 67w, and the mobiles will be 35w. I guess the lower wattage cpus are just cpus that were lucky enough to be better and able to undervolt, presumebly if there were 130nm cpus that could do 35w then there should be 90nm cpus that could do lower if amd really wanted to bin for them.(I'm guessing 35w is low enough and in good enough yields to settle for, especially since sonoma is at about 30w)

Oh, how come there are no PowerPC based PDAs? It seems power devices can be made much smaller than PCs, so why not put a G3 or G4 chip into a PDA and have a full fledged mac running PDA? Certainly a market that AMD or Intel can't really hit. Well, they could, but not quite as small, but I remember there was the iquo which used some other x86 cpu and was small, but not as small as some powerpc devices.(which seem to be little more than a cpu with a small IO board)
 
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Accord99

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Originally posted by: Fox5
Oh, how come there are no PowerPC based PDAs? It seems power devices can be made much smaller than PCs, so why not put a G3 or G4 chip into a PDA and have a full fledged mac running PDA? Certainly a market that AMD or Intel can't really hit. Well, they could, but not quite as small, but I remember there was the iquo which used some other x86 cpu and was small, but not as small as some powerpc devices.(which seem to be little more than a cpu with a small IO board)
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Because Intel's ARM based processors are even better for the PDA market.
 
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Jassi

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Right now everything is speculation. Me and a friend are waiting for this puppy to release so we can buy our lappies.
 
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Fox5

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Originally posted by: Accord99
Originally posted by: Fox5
Oh, how come there are no PowerPC based PDAs? It seems power devices can be made much smaller than PCs, so why not put a G3 or G4 chip into a PDA and have a full fledged mac running PDA? Certainly a market that AMD or Intel can't really hit. Well, they could, but not quite as small, but I remember there was the iquo which used some other x86 cpu and was small, but not as small as some powerpc devices.(which seem to be little more than a cpu with a small IO board)
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Because Intel's ARM based processors are even better for the PDA market.
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Don't intel's processors seriously lack in floating point performance? And windows mobile is far from a full fledged OS.
 
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Accord99

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Originally posted by: Fox5
Don't intel's processors seriously lack in floating point performance? And windows mobile is far from a full fledged OS.
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Compared to what? It's not like embedded processors need significant FP power. Intel's ARM based CPUs have pushed PowerPC out of the PDA market and various ARM-based processors made by a variety of manufacturers in general have dominant market positions in many areas, from cellular phones to MP3 players.
 
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Fox5

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Originally posted by: Accord99
Originally posted by: Fox5
Don't intel's processors seriously lack in floating point performance? And windows mobile is far from a full fledged OS.
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Compared to what? It's not like embedded processors need significant FP power. Intel's ARM based CPUs have pushed PowerPC out of the PDA market and various ARM-based processors made by a variety of manufacturers in general have dominant market positions in many areas, from cellular phones to MP3 players.
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They lack compared to desktop cpus.
I think the PDA market would have a lot more success if PDAs actually were mini computers, and not data organizers. I wasn't aware PowerPC was ever in the PDA market btw, I thought it was always Arm, MIPS, and SH.(shame that SH-4 never made it into a pda)
And I don't think Intel's ARM processors have any floating point units, nor any ARM cpu. It requires a coprocessor which I don't know if anyone has ever used in a PDA.
If PDAs could fulfill the purpose of a PC that fits in your pocket I would already own one, but as they are they are limited in functionality.(well, I did own a compaq that was sh-3 powered, but the screen broke)

Currently I believe this is the only option in that market, but it is much more expensive than a typical PDA, and still greatly underpowered compared to a PC. The Transmeta Crusoe cpu, even at 1 ghz, is probably outperformed even by the ARM processors PDAs use.
 
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Originally posted by: Fox5
I guess the lower wattage cpus are just cpus that were lucky enough to be better and able to undervolt, presumebly if there were 130nm cpus that could do 35w then there should be 90nm cpus that could do lower if amd really wanted to bin for them.
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I thought that Lancaster and Newark (which together will comprise Turion, am I wrong?) were both supposed to be 90nm CPUs binned for 35W and 62W, respectively.

Edit: I take that back, it appears apon further inspection that only CPUs binned for 35W and under will receive the Turion branding, but still, aren't they going to be 90nm?
 
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