AMD Trying to control Journalists?
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I think sometimes Intel do this too, they build the machine that runs the benchs on. So pretty much they already knew what they getting. Funny thought, I think they should just write their own benchmark software that shows AMD scoring a million points.
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Didn't read the article again I see.
"No doubt ATI will spin this event as a "preview", an "initial look" that it is generously providing at this hardware, pointing out that no-one "has" to come. But the bottom line is this - spinners are scared of what independent benchmark results will show, and are bottling a proper launch."
No...I guess you didn't.
"DAAMIT IS SHIPPING several of its favourite hardware journalists out to an event this week to test it's upcoming 'Spider' platform"
The point is, according to your post, the Intel "preview" should be considered exactly the same as this one...
bryanW1995
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you 2 need to go put on some boxing gloves and duke it out. seriously, this is ridiculous. every time I check out the oc threads you're arguing about phenom/penryn/nehalem/itanium/conroe/pIII/386sx or something else. give it a freaking rest already.
Yep, I kind of had a hankering that this would turn into yet another Intel-AMD fanboy/stockholder war between these two. I was hoping this would end with Nemesis1 disappearing, but apparently not.
As is this...does the fact that Intel had a smoother launch have any bering on performance?
Obviously AMD has been scrambling to get a good rev of Phenom out in time, and this is reflected in the lateness of the preview...so what?
Which is exactly what Intel did...
You know, De Nial isn't just a river in Egypt...
And making an assumption about something you haven't seen and know nothing about seems to give a good indication of the validity of that comment...
It's true...I'm far too easily baited. Sigh...mea culpa and apologies.
Nemesis (to his credit) does still post, but he's become far more open-minded about his opinions...
One thing a lot of people forget, a launch is not to see if your product will fail but a known set of numbers that can be presented and published. The web does enough damage with favoritism and one-sidedness. When you do a release you want to show where the product will shine not test it to hope it doesn't fail. Next week there will be plenty of time for people to show where intel is superior and the game will go on. A lot of people who work in these fabs will be s**ting bricks wondering if they will have a job in three months or next week. Those arguing for XYZ is Better then ABC, did you deposit or cash a check from XYZ? Why do we waste time on the internet spreading gossip when we could be solving the worlds problems. Enjoy the Spider show next week, observe some cool hardware. If you don't see something you like them get your CC out and order one of those 45nm blue chip$, there nice but let the rest of us enjoy the event. I enjoyed the Barcelona launch, it was a fantastic event, yes Harperstown storm was brewing out in the gulf but the event went on. Barcelona is an incredible architecture with the Phenom line giving us amd fanboys a chance to now quad up our rigs. Harperstown and Yorksfield is one incredible and fast piece of hardware but I turned down it's lower price to go for what I feel will work better for me.
LOL, so after ALL this time, AMD suddenly decides to give us a 'preview', conincidentally, RIGHT BEFORE LAUNCH?! Sorry if I don't buy such BS.
Besides, where is the *PREVIEW* then? I don't see any. Isn't a 'preview' meant to come out *BEFORE* the product is launched? AMD is running out of time... launch day is coming up fast, if all we see on the 19th is some AMD cherrypicked canned benches, I'll be one unhappy camper.
So whats with all the cloak and daggers from AMD? Is there something to hide? Perhaps Phenom may just not be up to scruff?
I know you're rooting for AMD as usual Viditor, but put aside your bias for a second and imagine if the roles were reversed. If Penryn was being released and instead of proper testing and benchmarking, it is replaced with effectively pre determined cherrypicked results that would show the architecture in the 'best light'.
Would you be jumping to Intel's defense and claiming 'NO, it's just a preview, it's fine!"?!
Somehow I doubt it.
Originally posted by: harpoon84
LOL, so after ALL this time, AMD suddenly decides to give us a 'preview', conincidentally, RIGHT BEFORE LAUNCH?! Sorry if I don't buy such BS.
Besides, where is the *PREVIEW* then? I don't see any. Isn't a 'preview' meant to come out *BEFORE* the product is launched? AMD is running out of time... launch day is coming up fast, if all we see on the 19th is some AMD cherrypicked canned benches, I'll be one unhappy camper.
So whats with all the cloak and daggers from AMD? Is there something to hide? Perhaps Phenom may just not be up to scruff?
I know you're rooting for AMD as usual Viditor, but put aside your bias for a second and imagine if the roles were reversed. If Penryn was being released and instead of proper testing and benchmarking, it is replaced with effectively pre determined cherrypicked results that would show the architecture in the 'best light'.
Would you be jumping to Intel's defense and claiming 'NO, it's just a preview, it's fine!"?!
Somehow I doubt it.
All what time?
As I have said, AMD is scrambling to get the product out the door. We know that rev BA wasn't even first turned out until July/August, so you have to think that AMD is trying hard to launch with rev B3 (though I doubt they will be able to).
I don't think it's cloak and dagger...certainly not just a week before launch and the lifting of the embargo.
If it were Intel, I would say (in fact I DID say at the C2D preview) that it's just a preview and doesn't mean anything...it's the launch that counts.
I am saying exactly the same thing here...this preview means nothing, it's what we see at the launch that counts.
I don't see that as defending either company, just common sense.
Don't forget that at the launch on the 19th, all of the review sites can publish any test they want to (I believe that Anand already has a Phenom system and is benching as usual right now...). The preview is just that...a looksee for non-serious review sites prior to the embargo being lifted.
Edit: as an aside, the term "rooting" has a VERY different meaning here in Oz, mate.
Take a look at what root means down-under Oz slang dictionary
But it seems the INQ article is saying that on the 19th, websites will only be allowed to show those canned benchmarks, and only AFTER the 19th are they allowed to do more tests, after all the hype of the launch has died down. Hopefully I am reading the article wrong, or TheINQ just plain suck at writing (wouldn't be surprised!) but many people have come to the same conclusion as I have... canned benchmarks on release day, proper testing to come later.
I do hope you are right and that we will get proper and thorough reviews out on the 19th.
Yeah, this is how I have been reading it. It appears that AMD will ship test kits later, but has invited the jornos to the launch event and are providing the test systems and benchmark software.
This is quite abit different than Intel's launch, as Intel sent review kits and data was published to a chorus of ... 'yes, indeed C2D rocks!'.
Despite Viditor's insistance that Intel does the same and that this is a preview, it is far from this, if true. However, considering AMD's track record of late in launching products one day and actual availability not showing up for 6-8 weeks later, then they just might get by with calling this a 'preview'.
Since the embargo lifts on the 19th, that means all NDAs (Non Disclosure Agreements) expire on that date (though it could be midnight, I don't know).
This means that review sites can print absolutely anything they want at the launch.
The INQ story is talking about a preview THIS week with only limited benches being allowed prior to the embargo being lifted (so as to keep it fair for the review sites who are still bound by the embargo).
It says in the article, "to an event this week"
myocardia
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Actually, two people posting opposing sides of an argument is what forums/messageboards are all about. As long as the two people are civilized, there are no problems, assuming we discount the people looking to add "+1" to their post count, by not having anything at all to say about the subject that's being discussed.
Concerning said topic matter, I'm alot more interested in AMD's other new product, their 3870 video card. But then again, I already have a very nice quad-core. I also think if AMD had done this exact "preview" ~3 weeks ago, there would be alot less complaining about it. Of course, alot of people would still have complained about the benchmarks being used, but you never can make everyone happy, so why even try.
Well if these "previews" are supposed to come out before the 19th there is not much time left. I haven't seen one yet.
Gikaseixas
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it's just the weekend now guys, on Monday or Tuesday we'll have a better idea of how Phenom compares to Intel quads.
As for the fight in this tread i think it's a good thing as long as both sides keep it clean and respectful. I don't agree with everything that is posted by both of you many times but i admire your passion...
As for the fight in this tread i think it's a good thing as long as both sides keep it clean and respectful. I don't agree with everything that is posted by both of you many times but i admire your passion...
Phynaz and Viditor are about the only thing happening on the CPU forum these days.
Personally I would probably stop visiting the forums if the drama disappeared from the threads as these days the hardware guys are certainly not injecting anything excitable into the markets to give the forum go'ers something substantial to talk about.
I hope both keep up the good point/counter-point debate. I always feel like a more informed enthusiast after having read a Phynaz/Viditor debate thread.
So long as the comments are directed towards entities (AMD = crap, Intel = dud, etc) and do not become personal then these threads are quite educational.
I say "Keep up the good work Viditor and Phynaz, and thanks!".
Personally I would probably stop visiting the forums if the drama disappeared from the threads as these days the hardware guys are certainly not injecting anything excitable into the markets to give the forum go'ers something substantial to talk about.
I hope both keep up the good point/counter-point debate. I always feel like a more informed enthusiast after having read a Phynaz/Viditor debate thread.
So long as the comments are directed towards entities (AMD = crap, Intel = dud, etc) and do not become personal then these threads are quite educational.
I say "Keep up the good work Viditor and Phynaz, and thanks!".
:thumbsup:
I definitely like these threads better than the run of the mill "How come my Q6600 won't OC to XYZ MHZ, etc.".
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Originally posted by: Viditor
As is this...does the fact that Intel had a smoother launch have any bering on performance?
Obviously AMD has been scrambling to get a good rev of Phenom out in time, and this is reflected in the lateness of the preview...so what?
Which is exactly what Intel did...
You know, De Nial isn't just a river in Egypt...
And making an assumption about something you haven't seen and know nothing about seems to give a good indication of the validity of that comment...
Is it valid now?
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